vidiot 0 #1 August 20, 2003 Just announced this morning in Germany: DSLR, 6MP, interchangeable 18-55mm Lens (29-88mm equiv.), EF lenses can be uesed, 2.5 pics/s (up to 4), remote release, 560g excl. lens. Suggested retail price € 1199,- (~$1.300) incl. lens. More infos here: http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eosdigital/index.html, here: http://www.canon.de/presse/infos/fot/eos300d/$u and here: http://www.digitalkamera.de/Kameras/CanonEOS300D.asp. Guess, I'll cancel my order for the Minolta A1...My Logbook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #2 August 20, 2003 Any word on a US release? And how comparable is it to the 10D. I looked around and there is a lot of rumors about a new camera to replace the d60 somewhere better than the 10D but priced similar. Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XDV 0 #3 August 20, 2003 ...you scared me...... I was thinking I was out of date with my 10D, the 300D will be EOS Rebel Digital for the US Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #4 August 20, 2003 http://www.canoneos.com/digitalrebel/index.html The EOS 300 in Europe is the equivalent of the Rebel 2000 here in the US, it looks like there is a digital version of that coming as well, according to Canon's US website Blue skies! Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XDV 0 #5 August 20, 2003 Canon just put the new rebel digital on their web site this afternoon http://www.canoneos.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #6 August 20, 2003 Nice camera. Just a little slower that the 10D. 2.5 fps max burst of 4. 10D is 3fps for a max burst of 9. I like it. Any idea on price yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdhill 0 #7 August 20, 2003 According to dpreview.com the street price should be $899 for the body only. Josh JoshAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #8 August 20, 2003 It does not measure up to the 10d specs . I have tried this camera already and will not buy it . it's write speed is very slow and we had some problems with image quality . The 10d is better suited to skydiving and consider this camera a non option . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #9 August 20, 2003 Hey do you find limits with the 3fps with max of 9? I would think one would... -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #10 August 20, 2003 Faster would be better. A lot can happen in a third of a second -- especially on exits.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #11 August 21, 2003 Write speed sucks major ass even with a transcend 45x card . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vidiot 0 #12 August 21, 2003 QuoteWrite speed sucks major ass even with a transcend 45x card . Thanks for the info. This was exactly what I was afraid off. Guess I'll wait until I can try one myself.My Logbook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #13 August 21, 2003 QuoteWrite speed sucks major ass even with a transcend 45x card . You do you find it compares with the Olympus E-20n? -drew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #14 August 21, 2003 QuoteQuoteWrite speed sucks major ass even with a transcend 45x card . You do you find it compares with the Olympus E-20n? -drew I have never used an Olympus so I can't offer a fair opinion . I only use a Canon 10d a 1ds and a Mamiya 645afd with a leaf back . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #15 August 22, 2003 Why would the write time on the 300D be any different than the 10D? It has the same sensor and the same processor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflydrew 0 #16 August 22, 2003 Quote I have never used an Olympus so I can't offer a fair opinion . I only use a Canon 10d a 1ds and a Mamiya 645afd with a leaf back . Do youy know any actual write speeds for this camera? I know it depends a bit on which card you use, but I'm looking for a more general idea of it's write speed... I looked on the website and didn't find specifications on this. I have the E20n and it's too slow for skydiving... -drew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #17 August 22, 2003 Yes the write speed sucks. It is designed for the consumer market. Its part of the rebel line. They want to keep the price down and decent fps for film or digital is saved for the more advance cameras in their line. A good photographer does not realy on the motordrive. And these digital cameras are forcing you to do this. One day you'll fill up the 25 gig card with photos from exit to opening at 10fps. Reality is 3fps which is slow and burst of 8-9 or so. You can lay on the shutter and fill up the cache. But that might get you a second or two later when you really need the frames.www.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freakydiver 0 #18 August 22, 2003 "A good photographer does not realy on the motordrive." Actually - that depends highly on the subject that is being captured. Just my two cents from field shooting. -- (N.DG) "If all else fails – at least try and look under control." -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #19 August 22, 2003 A better photographer knows how to utilize the motor drive, but does not realy on it to get the shot in a folly of frames being ripped off.www.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #20 August 22, 2003 Reading through all the specs though, it looks like it is getting close to the Elan 7e right? I know a lot of people jump the rebel 2000 as their still camera, that camera has 1.5fps! It would still be a major upgrade for those people (me included) Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fasterfaller 0 #21 August 22, 2003 QuoteQuote I have never used an Olympus so I can't offer a fair opinion . I only use a Canon 10d a 1ds and a Mamiya 645afd with a leaf back . Do youy know any actual write speeds for this camera? I know it depends a bit on which card you use, but I'm looking for a more general idea of it's write speed... I looked on the website and didn't find specifications on this. I have the E20n and it's too slow for skydiving... -drew I do not know what the specs are on write speed . Every time I wanred to take a shot it would say busy in the viewfinder and that is not what I want to see . There has been one or two times that I have got a busy from my 10d or 1ds , and the faster the card in them the faster I can shoot . Card speed had no effect in the 300d as it was slow even with a 45x card . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #22 August 22, 2003 QuoteA better photographer knows how to utilize the motor drive, but does not realy on it to get the shot in a folly of frames being ripped off. have to agree with Freaky here...come try and take good stills of a fencing bout without a motordrive...you simply arent fast enough...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blazetailman 0 #23 August 22, 2003 This is getting farther from the topic but let me use this example to make my point Btw I very happy with the D60 and would like 5 fps with a 30 shot buffer but, Do you all know the shot of Ali standing over I believe Sonny Liston seconds after he knocked hime down. Ali looms over him and pounds his chest. The shot a triumpent sports moment captured in a split second. Literly that. The ironic thing is there were photogs all around the ring and in the news reel clip there is only one still photo flash. The reason why. In the great shot all the photogs in the back round are changing flash, winding film or standing around with there thumb up there ass. Not antipating the moment. I'm photojournalist by trade, antipation and prepartion are the hallmark of a good pj who consitently brings home the shots. Yes we shoot mile of film or now gigs of images but the best ones are not from a series of a fast motor drive, but from being in the right place at the right time. 1 second is a long time. 3fps is only 1/300th of that and when you slow down with write speeds and buffers that is slower than film 3fps. just because we can fill a 1 gig card with shots dosen't mean there is a reason to be shooting the entire jump. I've found the 8 shot buffer is forcing me to be more selective of when I shoot things making me a better photog and bring home more prime shots with the digital camera. Attached is the Ali picture by Neil Leifer and one I got from the WFFC. And mine wasn't because of the motordrive.www.canopyflightcenter.com www.skydivesac.com www.guanofreefly.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #24 August 25, 2003 true (and farther off topic) i completely agree about being 'in the moment' but you will still miss high speed close in actions without a mechanical assist. Boxing is another great example, the Ali shot wasnt exactly 'time critical' as it was a relatively slow, gloating action….now try to catch the instant his glove makes contact with his opponents face with only the twitch of his shoulder (if that) to signal the start of the punch..sure its been done, but how many times was it missed before the one 'good' shot? absolutely you have to be there and ready to capture the moment but the millisecond of time where some actions occur is near impossible to catch consistently with motor drives, at Olympic/professional levels getting that instant of contact for example before the parry knocks the blade aside is largely luck..the skill is being in the right place and ready to shoot, even if you take 9 shots to get the one your really after... its all a matter of the right tools for the right task.. that WFFC photo is awesome...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #25 August 26, 2003 First review I've seen: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0308/03082005canoneos300d.asp ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
