Jessica 0 #1 October 18, 2002 Those of you with Hornets -- what kind of shape is the PISA label located on the center of the bottom skin in? My rigger and I inspected the canopy I'm almost certainly going to buy today, and it looks good, except for that label. It's all rubbed off and I can barely read it. Are other Hornets or PISA canopies like this? Is there any issue other than the asthetic one? This canopy reportedly has around 90 jumps on it.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #2 October 18, 2002 That's doesn't sound right. I've got a Safire with probably 400 jumps on it and the label there is just fine, it's a little faded, but still easily readable. I can't imagine that PISA uses some radically different material for the label that degrades as much as you are suggesting after only 90 jumps. It just doesn't seem right... On the other hand, if your rigger agrees that the canopy is in good shape and worth the asking price, is there a problem? - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #3 October 18, 2002 My Cobalt label started flaking bad at under 150 jumps. I've seen a hornet with under 100 jump with only about 20% of its label remaining. Some companies seem to use silkscreening that does'nt stick to the side panels like some other companies do.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #4 October 18, 2002 Jessica, I currently have a Hornet 210 which I purchased new, the Hornet logo has almost completely rubbed off in about 200 jumps. I contacted PISA about this and they sent me a new logo patch to put on with their hopes that this one would last awhile longer. This is a problem with the way the logos were printed and in NO way is the canopy affected. Now as to the hornet as a canopy I find it to be all around winner! I fly mine loaded at 1.26 and it is very responsive to all input from toggles, risers and body position. I can turn-n-burn and swoop it in or float along coming back from a long spot or when going for the peas. The really great part about this canopy was the price!!! ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoby 0 #5 October 18, 2002 I'm seriously considering the purchase of a new Hornet as my beer canopy. I'm purchasing a container/reserve/cypres, so I need to sort it out the main shortly. I've been renting Spectres, and I really like them, but I think I'd rather have the glide of a 9-cell. Also, a new Hornet would cost less than a used Spectre. I've been trying to find a used Hornet 170, to no avail. Actually, there doesn't seem to be much of anything used in 170 size. I also really like the idea of color coded line attachment points. Is there any way to demo a Hornet? I'd like to be able to try before I buy. Also, I really, really want a soft-opening canopy. I got whacked by a Sabre 2 two months ago, and I still feel it. I've heard that the Hornet can be brisk. How can this be controlled? Will going up a size in sliders slow down the opening? Anything else I should know about the canopy? Where did you get yours and how much did it cost? Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puffdaddy 0 #6 October 18, 2002 The hornet can be brisk at times. I found that if you do not roll the nose, just jently push it back and make sure that your slider is right up you should not have any problems. It's a great canopy. Blue skies" You have never lived until you've almost died, and for those who has experienced it, life has a flavour the protected would never understand" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #7 October 18, 2002 QuoteI'm seriously considering the purchase of a new Hornet as my beer canopy. I'm purchasing a container/reserve/cypres, so I need to sort it out the main shortly. I've been renting Spectres, and I really like them, but I think I'd rather have the glide of a 9-cell. I've heard that a Spectre has at least as much glide as a Sabre. I've made it back from a couple of pretty long spots with mine. QuoteAlso, a new Hornet would cost less than a used Spectre. I've been trying to find a used Hornet 170, to no avail. Actually, there doesn't seem to be much of anything used in 170 size. I also really like the idea of color coded line attachment points. Make sure you check the classifieds here and at Enclave. You could also post want ads. Ask the dealer at your DZ to keep their eyes open for what you want as well. I looked for more than a month to find a 170. I ended up getting lucky and finding a 300 jump Spectre for $800 in the DZ.com classifieds. The best I could do on a new Hornet (I couldn't find any used, in any size) was just under $1000 for stock colors. A little hint, but you can buy some Sharpie markers and color the lines yourself. I did it to my Spectre and it really did speed up packing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #8 October 18, 2002 QuoteThe best I could do on a new Hornet (I couldn't find any used, in any size) was just under $1000 for stock colors. A new custom Hornet bought stateside (instead of direct from South Africa) will run just over $800.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #9 October 18, 2002 QuoteA new custom Hornet bought stateside (instead of direct from South Africa) will run just over $800. Damn, when I emailed Pisa in July they referred me to a US based dealer that wanted $1000 for stock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #10 October 18, 2002 QuoteDamn, when I emailed Pisa in July they referred me to a US based dealer that wanted $1000 for stock. $800ish is what Roy at para-service.com quoted me.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
indyz 1 #11 October 18, 2002 Yeah, I just went and checked Roys. Prices seem to be down from three months ago. Forgot to add: 170s and 190s are an extra $123, and 210s and 230s are an extra $228. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 #12 October 18, 2002 QuoteForgot to add: 170s and 190s are an extra $123, and 210s and 230s are an extra $228. D'oh! I'm a sizeist bastard. I didn't realize that.Skydiving is for cool people only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #13 October 18, 2002 Get a larger slider put on it when you order it and you'll have sweet openings. On my Heatwave, I consistantly get 1000ft openings that way. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #14 October 18, 2002 Don't even need to roll the nose on mine - as long as the slider is pulled out, i get a 700 foot opening every time, if not more. warning label is just about unreadable now as well, although the hornet label s still there in all it's glory ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puffdaddy 0 #15 October 18, 2002 I thought I said "do not roll the nose" The labels do suck and wear out to soon. Then I do not jump it for the label. Blue Skies " You have never lived until you've almost died, and for those who has experienced it, life has a flavour the protected would never understand" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #16 October 18, 2002 sorry - misread it. ____________________ Say no to subliminal messages Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #17 October 18, 2002 Scoby, if you shop around you should be able to come up with some very good deals on the Hornet, I've heard of them from $600+ to $800+. I paid about $750 for mine. I've heard that if you buy it out of S. africa and the $ exchange rate is favorable that you can get them in the $600 range. You might have to do some hunting for a demo in the US or just call/email PISA to see if they'll send you one. Yes the openings on the Hornet can be brisk, particularly when brand new. But various packing techniques can control that, I personally like the psycho pack or rolling the nose and a slight tuck works well. The sliders on the Hornet are large to start with so I never thought about a larger one. There is alot of talk here about the Hornet,do a search and you'll find more info. You cannot beat this canopy for the price, better IMO than the Sabre and on par with the Sabre2. The Hornet RRROOOCKS! ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coho21 0 #18 October 18, 2002 Look at Rigs-n-Things I think I saw yesterday they were selling one for $822.J YSD#0009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #19 October 18, 2002 Im not sure what PISA logo do you mean, but my hornet -logo is in VERY good shape. The warning-label is not that clear anymore though... It has 250 jumps See pic: http://www.netti.fi/~tlu/kuvat/image-006.html Thats what my canopy looks after 250 jumps (In this pic the canpy is above the previous owner, but it looks still exactly the same) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coho21 0 #20 October 18, 2002 Ok your logo is a lot different than the one I think she's refering to. I have a Hornet as well and it has a logo right up close to the nose on the center cell. This logo is showing signs of fading and what not but the canopy looks and feels like it has 20 jumps even though its more like 200. J YSD#0009 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #21 October 19, 2002 custome colored...brand new..$536.. from SA... i got lucky when the economy was really bad there!!! but flies like a $1000 canopy!jason Freedom of speech includes volume Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #22 October 19, 2002 Hornet 170 for sale on DZ.com classifieds ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoby 0 #23 October 20, 2002 I got beaten to it. I just wanted the main, but I guess he found someone who wanted the whole rig. So, no dice. I may just break down and order new. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 0 #24 October 20, 2002 TRY to get it thru a South African Distributor if the Exchange rate is favorable, the $600+ including shipping were prices from folks who did that. ChileRelleno-Rodriguez Bro#414 Hellfish#511,MuffBro#3532,AnvilBro#9, D24868 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
puffdaddy 0 #25 October 20, 2002 Scoby, contact Manny at [email protected] he will organize you a great deal on a new hornet. $600 Blue Skies" You have never lived until you've almost died, and for those who has experienced it, life has a flavour the protected would never understand" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
