arlo 0 #76 July 11, 2005 ding ding! we have a winner (bill's response). sorry ron for taking it a touch past the PC mark. there's a first time for everything i guess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #77 July 11, 2005 ding ding What did I win? I hope it's a Yukon and caribean trip. I like chocolate. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #78 July 11, 2005 QuoteI understand what you are getting at, but do you really believe that AFFIs at both Perris and Elsinore rarely tunnel? Actually yes. And even if they have "tunneled" many have not taken the time to learn how to coach or instruct in a "different" enviorment. (Unlike yourself of course) Heck I've had experienced AFF-I's want to side body their students in the tunnel before they can even achieve stability. Not only is it not safe, but it's poor learning. The nice thing is, we've learned (including those of ust that are not AFF-I's) to work with AFF-I's who wish to bring their students, to share the responsibility of instructing people to the point where they and begin to get the benifit of having their instructor in the air with them.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #79 July 11, 2005 QuoteNever forget the rats train people to fly with NO experience. HEHEHEHEHE!!!....I say "it's the non-equipment portion of an FJC in 15 minutes INCLUDING gearing up".---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #80 July 11, 2005 Quotefor instructors keeping students in the tunnel for more than 1 minute at a time: do you find that this decreases their altitude awareness because their internal clock (that's now being created) fakes them into expecting longer freefall times due to these extended "freefall" times in the tunnel? i've talked to alot of guys that started skydiving in conjunction with tunnel flying and several thought they had more time than they actually did during the skydives. just curious if you consider this to be a potential issue. Not really, but because I've thought about it, one of the techniques I use is as the student gains proficiency in manuvers I begin to throw the "circle of awareness", or check altitude signal about ever 5 or 6 seconds or after each manuver and look for a response just to build in the habit.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #81 July 12, 2005 Quoteone of the techniques I use is as the student gains proficiency in manuvers I begin to throw the "circle of awareness", or check altitude signal about ever 5 or 6 seconds or after each manuver and look for a response just to build in the habit. Very good AFFI, JP! ... ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #82 July 12, 2005 QuoteQuoteone of the techniques I use is as the student gains proficiency in manuvers I begin to throw the "circle of awareness", or check altitude signal about ever 5 or 6 seconds or after each manuver and look for a response just to build in the habit. Very good AFFI, JP! ... ltdiver I had Skylord in the tube and gave him a COA every so often, then found myself looking at my "altimeter," which of course, wasn't there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #83 July 12, 2005 QuoteOn the contrary, Ron. You know that's exactly what we have them do at Fort Bragg. I neglected to put that in the post I just responded to Dawn in. And the Army FJC is three weeks of doing PLF's... Sometimes the Army does not do the "best" methods. You can't compare the MFF program to civilian AFF. Different type of student, different mission."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #84 July 12, 2005 QuoteThis is nuts, people. We're only talking basic stability here. Let the tunnel flying expert do the teaching in the tunnel. Let the AFFI do the training in the real air. It's about tunnel qualifications, not AFF qualifications. More power to the instructor with both, but they should do it because of the tunnel experience, not the other. There is a big difference in how you handle un unstable student in the tunnel vs. in the air. I would not let an tunnel rat do AFF without a rating, and I would not let an AFF guy teach in the tunnel without being checked out. Different tools and skills are needed. Now yes, if you have both skills in either environment...Then it would not matter."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 7 #85 July 12, 2005 QuoteOur Tunnel Rigs are still in development with the manufacturer, when we have those it'll be even nicer & more realistic. We have been flying with rigs for a while now....It makes a difference. I'll be in Raeford this weekend with some if you wanna look at them."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodyflight.Net 0 #86 July 12, 2005 Hey Ron, Thanks for the offer, but we're already committed to Chester, SC this weekend at Skydive Carolina!! We're donating up to 30 free minutes of tunnel time for the auction/raffle, and we'll be sittin by a video display most of the weekend! Maybe you could stop by Chester Pink Suits, Blue Skies & Fast Air, Dawn Suiter PMTS Delegate Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #87 July 13, 2005 Arlo swearing and stuff is worth replying to just for fun. I've sent several students to the tunnel at Perris because they just weren't getting it. They almost all (one exception) came back confident and fixed. We had a guy come back from either 15 or 30 minutes just recently who fell OK, but just completely world record screwed up his deployment. The video is incredible. He looks for his handle and front loops, then does something incredible and barrel rolls, deploys the drogue through his legs which then opens him so hard he loops right over the top of the risers doing whatever the aerial version of a step-through is. Is there a word for that maneuver? Anyhow, tunnel teaching is for tunnel teachers. I like the tunnel and learn a lot in it when I'm down that way. I'd suggest you do a 15 minute series on how to pass the AFF, but John, Dom, SM1 and company, it sounds like you are. I think it's a plus for tunnel instructors to be AFF instructors too. I think there would be more awareness of what stuff done in the tunnel could translate into during a freefall. JP Hey! Do you have a practice rip cord rig? I know nobody wants any extra stuff in there, but having a harness with a handle or hackey to practice touching while maintaining body position would be GRRRRRReat! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #88 July 13, 2005 QuoteArlo swearing and stuff is worth replying to just for fun. I've sent several students to the tunnel at Perris because they just weren't getting it. They almost all (one exception) came back confident and fixed. We had a guy come back from either 15 or 30 minutes just recently who fell OK, but just completely world record screwed up his deployment. The video is incredible. He looks for his handle and front loops, then does something incredible and barrel rolls, deploys the drogue through his legs which then opens him so hard he loops right over the top of the risers doing whatever the aerial version of a step-through is. Is there a word for that maneuver? Anyhow, tunnel teaching is for tunnel teachers. I like the tunnel and learn a lot in it when I'm down that way. I'd suggest you do a 15 minute series on how to pass the AFF, but John, Dom, SM1 and company, it sounds like you are. I think it's a plus for tunnel instructors to be AFF instructors too. I think there would be more awareness of what stuff done in the tunnel could translate into during a freefall. JP Hey! Do you have a practice rip cord rig? I know nobody wants any extra stuff in there, but having a harness with a handle or hackey to practice touching while maintaining body position would be GRRRRRReat! You've been doing tandems too long.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heidihagen 0 #89 July 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteone of the techniques I use is as the student gains proficiency in manuvers I begin to throw the "circle of awareness", or check altitude signal about ever 5 or 6 seconds or after each manuver and look for a response just to build in the habit. Very good AFFI, JP! ... ltdiver I had Skylord in the tube and gave him a COA every so often, then found myself looking at my "altimeter," which of course, wasn't there. i wasn't familiar with coa's, so she tapped her wrist. for a split second i thought she was asking the time i looked at my wrist, looked up/saw the thumbs up... "ahhh ok, alti checks!"i didn't lose my mind, i sold it on ebay. .:need a container to fit 5'4", 110 lb. cypres ready & able to fit a 170 main (or slightly smaller):.[/ce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ltdiver 3 #90 July 14, 2005 Quotei wasn't familiar with coa's, so she tapped her wrist. for a split second i thought she was asking the time i looked at my wrist, looked up/saw the thumbs up... "ahhh ok, alti checks!" That's priceless! ltdiver Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #91 July 15, 2005 QuoteWill a wind tunnel help me pass AFF Level 4? Yes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skytender 0 #92 July 15, 2005 The nice thing is, we've learned (including those of ust that are not AFF-I's) to work with AFF-I's who wish to bring their students, to share the responsibility of instructing people to the point where they and begin to get the benifit of having their instructor in the air with them. Hey JP... :) Im one of those that is not an AFF-I... I feel my job as an instructor while working with an AFF-I is to make the absolute most out of the session by keeping the student on heading and not wasting time... some students have very great body positions right out the door and some don't... for those who don't, I like to fix it while I'm already in such a great position to do so... and then turn them toward the AFF-I. The nets a great tool too. "Rocky"Are we not yet ready to live life for life and not for death? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shark 0 #93 July 15, 2005 Brad, You guys (and girls Shark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #94 July 16, 2005 Fo sheezy. Ain't this stuff fun?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mockingbird 0 #95 August 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteWill a wind tunnel help me pass AFF Level 4? Yes Well, Mark and the rest of you guys were right!! I FINALLY PASSED Level 4!!!! I went to the Perris wind tunnel two weeks ago and was coached by Ed Dickinson. He got my primary problem figured out and solved within the first 2-4 minutes. We worked for 25 minutes. I was too sore to do any more the next day, but the third morning I went back and flew another 10 minutes just to be sure i had gotten the hang of it. I had! The next opportunity to actually jump did not come until today--- I was a little bit afraid that after 2 weeks I might have forgotten what I learned there, but I remembered and reminded myself of something that both Ed and Scott told me there: my muscles would remember what I had learned. Ed was such a great communicator in the tunnel, with all those great facial expressions of his. Wow, communication is everything! He inspired and encouraged me so much in my attitudes toward skydiving in general outside the tunnel. Scott encouraged me to put the past failures behind me and pretend that my time in the tunnel and the success I experienced there was my new beginning. That really brightened my perspective. So, today I passed Level 4, AND even passed Level 5. I owe it all to the tunnel, and especially Ed, Scott, and the three tunnel instructors who worked with me: Mary, Brad, and the tall drink of water with the red hair whose name I never learned! So thanks to all who contributed to this thread and said to Go For It! Ed, You da' man. Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MB38 0 #96 August 8, 2005 Well that's certainly good news. I'm doing 10 minutes before my AFF4 dive next Monday... hopefully I'll pass the jump right off the bat!I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mockingbird 0 #97 August 8, 2005 Wow, you're so lucky to be close to the tunnel. If you use it, you probably won't have to repeat ANY of your levels. I figured I spent at least $2200 just for the Level 4 repeats plus the trip to Perris. Incredible! If I had only gone to the tunnel sooner, I could've saved myself close to $700. Live and learn... I'm just happy to have finally made it over this hump!Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JoeG 0 #98 August 9, 2005 Congratulations!!!_________________________________________ "Knowledge is Power!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mockingbird 0 #99 August 9, 2005 Thanks, Joe. (I was beginning to think my post was invisible.) I'M still ecstatic about it.Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Reginald 0 #100 August 9, 2005 I’m so glad you passed. "We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 4 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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Skytender 0 #92 July 15, 2005 The nice thing is, we've learned (including those of ust that are not AFF-I's) to work with AFF-I's who wish to bring their students, to share the responsibility of instructing people to the point where they and begin to get the benifit of having their instructor in the air with them. Hey JP... :) Im one of those that is not an AFF-I... I feel my job as an instructor while working with an AFF-I is to make the absolute most out of the session by keeping the student on heading and not wasting time... some students have very great body positions right out the door and some don't... for those who don't, I like to fix it while I'm already in such a great position to do so... and then turn them toward the AFF-I. The nets a great tool too. "Rocky"Are we not yet ready to live life for life and not for death? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shark 0 #93 July 15, 2005 Brad, You guys (and girls Shark Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #94 July 16, 2005 Fo sheezy. Ain't this stuff fun?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #95 August 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteWill a wind tunnel help me pass AFF Level 4? Yes Well, Mark and the rest of you guys were right!! I FINALLY PASSED Level 4!!!! I went to the Perris wind tunnel two weeks ago and was coached by Ed Dickinson. He got my primary problem figured out and solved within the first 2-4 minutes. We worked for 25 minutes. I was too sore to do any more the next day, but the third morning I went back and flew another 10 minutes just to be sure i had gotten the hang of it. I had! The next opportunity to actually jump did not come until today--- I was a little bit afraid that after 2 weeks I might have forgotten what I learned there, but I remembered and reminded myself of something that both Ed and Scott told me there: my muscles would remember what I had learned. Ed was such a great communicator in the tunnel, with all those great facial expressions of his. Wow, communication is everything! He inspired and encouraged me so much in my attitudes toward skydiving in general outside the tunnel. Scott encouraged me to put the past failures behind me and pretend that my time in the tunnel and the success I experienced there was my new beginning. That really brightened my perspective. So, today I passed Level 4, AND even passed Level 5. I owe it all to the tunnel, and especially Ed, Scott, and the three tunnel instructors who worked with me: Mary, Brad, and the tall drink of water with the red hair whose name I never learned! So thanks to all who contributed to this thread and said to Go For It! Ed, You da' man. Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MB38 0 #96 August 8, 2005 Well that's certainly good news. I'm doing 10 minutes before my AFF4 dive next Monday... hopefully I'll pass the jump right off the bat!I really don't know what I'm talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #97 August 8, 2005 Wow, you're so lucky to be close to the tunnel. If you use it, you probably won't have to repeat ANY of your levels. I figured I spent at least $2200 just for the Level 4 repeats plus the trip to Perris. Incredible! If I had only gone to the tunnel sooner, I could've saved myself close to $700. Live and learn... I'm just happy to have finally made it over this hump!Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeG 0 #98 August 9, 2005 Congratulations!!!_________________________________________ "Knowledge is Power!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mockingbird 0 #99 August 9, 2005 Thanks, Joe. (I was beginning to think my post was invisible.) I'M still ecstatic about it.Blue skies & happy jitters ~Mockingbird "Why is there something rather than nothing?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reginald 0 #100 August 9, 2005 I’m so glad you passed. "We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things." CP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
