howardwhite 5 #1 January 4, 2010 OK, obscure, maybe never put into production and probably too late for its potential market. But created by a well-known engineer whose other designs are embodied in canopies still being jumped. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #2 January 5, 2010 Modified T-10?Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,064 #4 January 5, 2010 Hi howard, That's somebody's idea for a mini-PC. It looks like it has only 20 gores & two steering slots on each side. Probably something local; never saw anything like that in this area. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,148 #5 January 5, 2010 I don't think it even has a pulled-down apex. I'm not nearly old enough to recognize it though. Looks like some derry slots on the side to go along with the drive holes in the back of the canopy. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #6 January 5, 2010 Looks kinda like a Piglet.Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 5 #7 January 5, 2010 The description accompanying the published (1973) photo refers to "shaped panels, drive holes in the rear and PC type steering slots. The descent rate is said to be very slow." (So it's not a Piglet.) HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,064 #8 January 5, 2010 Hi howard, A little OT: Quote The descent rate is said to be very slow." (So it's not a Piglet.) I remember when the Piglets started to get somewhat popular in this area; I watched a couple land and thought, 'No Thanks.'JerryBaumchen PS) OK, enough time: What is it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 5 #9 January 6, 2010 Quote OK, enough time: What is it? Here's another, by the same guy.HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #10 January 6, 2010 Wow. An Eleventy cell canopy. All the swoopers will swoon.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,064 #11 January 6, 2010 Hi howard, Quote Here's another, by the same guy. Now we know why his ideas never went anywhere. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #12 January 6, 2010 Quote Quote OK, enough time: What is it? Here's another, by the same guy.HW Looks Jalbert-ish at first glance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 37 #13 January 6, 2010 Quote Quote OK, enough time: What is it? Here's another, by the same guy.HW Could it be related to this..."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 5 #14 January 6, 2010 QuoteNow we know why his ideas never went anywhere. Well, it (the original picture) is a "Multi-Cell" by Jalbert Aerology Labs; pic was from a '73 Spotter. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 558 #15 January 6, 2010 QuoteQuoteNow we know why his ideas never went anywhere. Well, it (the original picture) is a "Multi-Cell" by Jalbert Aerology Labs; pic was from a '73 Spotter. HW ........................................................................................... The "muiti-cell" configuration would be more obvious if we saw a photo from the top. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 5 #16 January 7, 2010 QuoteThe "muiti-cell" configuration would be more obvious if we saw a photo from the top. Just the messenger. Dunno where the name came from. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #17 January 7, 2010 Its a 28' LoPo made by Pioneer. As I recall they used oval and rectangular slots. Here's another model found on the internetYou live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,064 #18 January 7, 2010 Hi captain, If you think the photo in Howard's first post is a 1.6 then might I recommend that you hurry on down to the eye doctor. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 5 #19 January 8, 2010 Quote If you think the photo in Howard's first post is a 1.6 then might I recommend that you hurry on down to the eye doctor. +1 HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #20 January 8, 2010 Please explainYou live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #21 January 8, 2010 Well, my secret decoder ring is a bit rusty, but I think he's probably referring to the fact that that the Pioneer LoPo used 1.6 oz fabric. Security used 1.1 oz. And I guess he's saying that none of the Pioneer LoPos had those mods. On the other hand, maybe it's a Masonic code and now I'm on a hit list. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,064 #22 January 8, 2010 Hi captain, Glad to. Take a good look at Howard's photo. You will see two steering LeMoigne slots on each side of the canopy. Also you will see three LeMoigne slots at the rear of the canopy. A Pioneer Lo-Po (1.6 as they were called 'back in the day') was a flat canopy that had holes cut into it (fabric removed). These two manufacturing methods, for creating forward speed, where not related to each other. One (the P/C) used formed fabric to redirect the airflow creating some lift. The other (the 1.6 & all flat canopies) had holes cut into them to let air out, resulting in some forward speed but no lift. Does that help explain it? JerryBaumchen PS) Please do not confuse the term Lo-Po with being for a reserve canopy only. Pioneer used a low porosity fabric of 1.6 oz for their line of sport mains ( both 28 ft & 32 ft) where as the Lo-Po reserves (from both Pioneer & Security) used a low porosity fabric of 1.1 oz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 5 #23 January 8, 2010 QuoteA Pioneer Lo-Po (1.6 as they were called 'back in the day') was a flat canopy that had holes cut into it (fabric removed). Here's a picture (published in Parachutist last year) of a 1964 Pioneer lopo jumped in Orange, MA in June 2009. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #24 January 8, 2010 QuoteQuoteA Pioneer Lo-Po (1.6 as they were called 'back in the day') was a flat canopy that had holes cut into it (fabric removed). Here's a picture (published in Parachutist last year) of a 1964 Pioneer lopo jumped in Orange, MA in June 2009. HW That is one ugly canopy. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 5 #25 January 8, 2010 QuoteThat is one ugly canopy. Maybe, but one of a kind. It was the only Pioneer lopo made with all seven colors the company offered, and was a demo made to show them all off. Otherwise, you could only get any three. It's in good shape, should anyone want to jump it. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites