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It's interesting, isn't it, that the descriptions of Cooper we have in detail come from Shaffner and Mucklow. Why not Hancock? I presume she was also questioned? Given that the there were some discrepancies between Flo and Tina (like the colour of the suit) I would have thought the more the better? Again apologies if this has been covered before, but how much (if at all) was Hancock involved in drawing up the sketch/describing Cooper?
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QuoteIt's interesting, isn't it, that the descriptions of Cooper we have in detail come from Shaffner and Mucklow. Why not Hancock? I presume she was also questioned? Given that the there were some discrepancies between Flo and Tina (like the colour of the suit) I would have thought the more the better? Again apologies if this has been covered before, but how much (if at all) was Hancock involved in drawing up the sketch/describing Cooper?
According to the Bill Gulick account referenced above
Brian Ingram was given "a $500 reward by Northwest
Airlines for finding (the money) which was sweetened
by the Oregon Journal by an additional $250".
This article rates the 'dredging theory' as the best
explanation for how the money got to Tina Bar.
the money
Well, guys - The Fat Lady is starting to Sing. Soon there will be nothing left but for the chorus to come in with the finally. 
Hide it in plain site.
I found one last thing - got to thinking about where I found that old book and the picture inside of it. There was one more item - in plain site all of this time. Another book.
In this book where connections to WA, ID, OR, B.C. and CA. The other item he had place on my shelf in 1990...I had used this book, but never paid any attention to something very specific about the book.
I was in the middle of a phone conversation - when the thought occured to me. I was amazed at what had been in front of me all of these yrs.
Perhaps this has no connection to the crime - but, I found it too much of a co-nincidence. Two books, both old. One with a picture in it and the other with names and locations.
I am not going to scan the covers of these books as some have requested I do. I can only speculate as to what these items mean or if they are connected to the crime. Only the FBI and others hold the answers, when and if they identify the items.
I am taking both books to an undisclosed location tomorrow for their existence will be documented and recorded and photographed.
After that they go into a safe deposit box. Perhaps they mean nothing to anyone. Perhaps I am a deranged delusional crazy woman and looking for answers so hard that I am making something out of nothing. I don't think so.
This is the 13th yr of my search and time for me to concentrate on me and my life or what is left of it.
Things aren't looking too rosy right now.
Over the yrs. when I felt I would never find the answers - things would happen - as you know I have referred to The Angel Udell, The River Lady, RobbieClamplett, and so many others who seemed to come to my rescue when I was ready to give up. I didn't ask God for my health - I asked him to help me finish what he put me here for.
The answer was sitting in Plain Site - things Duane knew I would never get rid of. I got the test results on Friday and found the book that evening. I guess in some of your eyes that just proves I am dislusional - perhaps I am!
Does anyone know anything about 4 Federal employees who were supposedly on that fight who were removed separately for the other passengers : Charlie Street, Albert Truitt, Arnold Andvik, Pat Donahoe. I do not believe any of these men where connected to the crime - but, I wonder why they where taken off the plane separately from the rest of the passengers.
I have a picture I need to scan and hope I can come back tonight and edit this post with it. This is of Duane in a uniform with a strange beret type hat. I may have posted it before, but I couldn't find a scan of it on my computer - so maybe it never got posted...but, it seems I did post before.
Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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Jo,
Why must the "fat lady" sing in encrypted verse? I cannot make sense of your post. You found two books, but you will not scan the covers... uh OK, but why not?
Is one the Necromonicron? Just kidding.
Sometimes you make the CIA look straight forward by comparison. Please be more direct.
377
Why must the "fat lady" sing in encrypted verse? I cannot make sense of your post. You found two books, but you will not scan the covers... uh OK, but why not?
Is one the Necromonicron? Just kidding.
Sometimes you make the CIA look straight forward by comparison. Please be more direct.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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In 1974, Sluggo, 377 and our "Dan Cooper" worked on a project to develop nuclear weapons in South Africa.
The initial funding and research started in 1971, with the proceeds from the Cooper hijack. This was transferred to Carl De Wet and JW de Villiers on Dec 1, 1971. At that time, only 377, Sluggo, and "Dan Cooper" worked in the weapons development program.
The total cost of the program grew, totalling approximately $300 million in '95 dollars. This was funded with gold from secret mines in Johnannesburg. The uranium was taken from the same mines.
A Boeing 727, had been purchased from the US early in 1971, with a modified aft stair. This same 727 eventually was the delivery vehicle used for a successful 3-5 kiloton test over the Indian Ocean in September 1979.
"Dan Cooper" know about the aft stairs capability because of this, although the main reason for the hijack was getting the seed money. "Dan" never told the rest of the team where the money came from. The appearance of the money, to everyone, signalled South African government approval (funding), and so people went ahead with the plan. "Dan" also implied there was tacit U.S. approval, thru CIA channels, because the money was US dollars.
This was Dan's secret way to get around the bureaucracies. He knew that if the program got started, it wouldn't end till a successful weapon was developed.
The 727 was used in the September 1974 test over the Indian Ocean to help disguise the test. While US scientists gathered enough data to confirm the nuclear explosion, there was enough fuzziness for plausible deniablity by political leaders of the time.
The science said otherwise:
http://library.lanl.gov/cgi-bin/getfile?00313730.pdf
Four (supposedly) nuclear weapons were built, but all were destroyed and all documentation destroyed from 1992 to 1994.
But it doesn't end there. It has only recently that it's been discovered that there were actually five weapons built. Since all records were destroyed by 1994, there are only three people still alive that know for sure. 377 and Sluggo are two of them.
Orange1, is apparently a member of the National Intelligence Agency, which was formed in 1994 after all documents related to the nuclear weapons were destroyed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Agency
The story I heard, was that Orange1 was researching some economic reports of that era, and found an unpaid bill relating to some tungsten in 1979. The amounts in the bill correlated to 5 weapons. Further information was developed after that.
I cannot comment on the affiliations of Ckret and georger, as officially "I don't know".
I was hired by the NIA as part of the subsequent search for the Fifth Weapon.
I first infiltrated DZ.com in 2000. I've attached a snap of the site from back then (redacted) that was part of my first report to the NIA.
Sluggo was blackballed from the nuclear industry when suspicions first arose. It was recently decided that it would be more controllable to "bring him inside" again before Jo Weber disclosed Duane's possible involvement.
Note: It's Feb 1. January's over!
The initial funding and research started in 1971, with the proceeds from the Cooper hijack. This was transferred to Carl De Wet and JW de Villiers on Dec 1, 1971. At that time, only 377, Sluggo, and "Dan Cooper" worked in the weapons development program.
The total cost of the program grew, totalling approximately $300 million in '95 dollars. This was funded with gold from secret mines in Johnannesburg. The uranium was taken from the same mines.
A Boeing 727, had been purchased from the US early in 1971, with a modified aft stair. This same 727 eventually was the delivery vehicle used for a successful 3-5 kiloton test over the Indian Ocean in September 1979.
"Dan Cooper" know about the aft stairs capability because of this, although the main reason for the hijack was getting the seed money. "Dan" never told the rest of the team where the money came from. The appearance of the money, to everyone, signalled South African government approval (funding), and so people went ahead with the plan. "Dan" also implied there was tacit U.S. approval, thru CIA channels, because the money was US dollars.
This was Dan's secret way to get around the bureaucracies. He knew that if the program got started, it wouldn't end till a successful weapon was developed.
The 727 was used in the September 1974 test over the Indian Ocean to help disguise the test. While US scientists gathered enough data to confirm the nuclear explosion, there was enough fuzziness for plausible deniablity by political leaders of the time.
The science said otherwise:
http://library.lanl.gov/cgi-bin/getfile?00313730.pdf
Four (supposedly) nuclear weapons were built, but all were destroyed and all documentation destroyed from 1992 to 1994.
But it doesn't end there. It has only recently that it's been discovered that there were actually five weapons built. Since all records were destroyed by 1994, there are only three people still alive that know for sure. 377 and Sluggo are two of them.
Orange1, is apparently a member of the National Intelligence Agency, which was formed in 1994 after all documents related to the nuclear weapons were destroyed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Agency
The story I heard, was that Orange1 was researching some economic reports of that era, and found an unpaid bill relating to some tungsten in 1979. The amounts in the bill correlated to 5 weapons. Further information was developed after that.
I cannot comment on the affiliations of Ckret and georger, as officially "I don't know".
I was hired by the NIA as part of the subsequent search for the Fifth Weapon.
I first infiltrated DZ.com in 2000. I've attached a snap of the site from back then (redacted) that was part of my first report to the NIA.
Sluggo was blackballed from the nuclear industry when suspicions first arose. It was recently decided that it would be more controllable to "bring him inside" again before Jo Weber disclosed Duane's possible involvement.
Note: It's Feb 1. January's over!
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I'm sure Snow has done enough research to know that uranium is indeed a by-product from gold mining in SA
Snow has an interesting blend of facts and fiction there by the way - more fiction than facts of course, but a nice example of how some verifiable things might lead people to conclude that the whole story is true. (Another lesson for this thread, perhaps...)
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
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Quote(Skydiving fact: when jumping at Skydive Cape Town, you can see our local nuclear power station from the air and it is in the background of many photos. The odd wayward - really wayward - skydiver has in fact landed in the grounds, to be met by a very frosty reception.)
Back in the day some Cal Club jumpers were over a cloud later when they exited but were somehow sure of their position. The landed deep inside the Lawrence Livermore nuke weapons lab. The guards FREAKED OUT!! Our boys were lucky to be alive.
Wasn't there some strong localized seismic event off South Africa a long time ago that was correlated with some other nuke blast indicator and world opinion/suspicion pointed to Israel?
Any of you have the secret decoder ring for Jo's last post?
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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I charted it - attached -QuoteQuote(Skydiving fact: when jumping at Skydive Cape Town, you can see our local nuclear power station from the air and it is in the background of many photos. The odd wayward - really wayward - skydiver has in fact landed in the grounds, to be met by a very frosty reception.)
Back in the day some Cal Club jumpers were over a cloud later when they exited but were somehow sure of their position. The landed deep inside the Lawrence Livermore nuke weapons lab. The guards FREAKED OUT!! Our boys were lucky to be alive.
Wasn't there some strong localized seismic event off South Africa a long time ago that was correlated with some other nuke blast indicator and world opinion/suspicion pointed to Israel?
Any of you have the secret decoder ring for Jo's last post?
377
Orange1 0
QuoteWasn't there some strong localized seismic event off South Africa a long time ago that was correlated with some other nuke blast indicator and world opinion/suspicion pointed to Israel?
Any of you have the secret decoder ring for Jo's last post?
377, I think this is what you refer to? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident
Georger - lol
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
There is one further account of Hancock at:
A Traveler's History of Washington - Google Books Result
by Bill Gulick - 1996 - Travel - 559 pages
Checking the list, a Northwest Airlines clerk found that all the ... After the passengers had left, Alice Hancock, Senior Stewardess on the flight, ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0870043714...
This account is slightly different from the usual
accounts one reads of the Cooper hijacking. I cant
vouch for its authenticity, but it does speak to the
larger issue of a chronology and what each crew
member was doing, including Hancock.
Hancock and Anderson are crew members you dont hear much about. Both were married (Anderson had
children). Both played an active role in press
conferences and a few interviews after the hijacking
but then fade away...
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