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377 said "They found a dead Cougar on Highway 17"
I heard some weird crying in the woods two nights ago.
two animals definitely calling to each other. Couldn't tell if it was deer...strange sound, wasn't coyote.
One was on the side of a big gully. I was wondering if a fawn got separated from mom...it was that sort of "come get me" cry...could hear the other kind of crying "this way"
pitch black..I don't know how they get around at night. I see their tracks all the time. See them a lot too. Nothing like deer to get the old dog excited though. She thinks that's her job (to keep them away).
I heard some weird crying in the woods two nights ago.
two animals definitely calling to each other. Couldn't tell if it was deer...strange sound, wasn't coyote.
One was on the side of a big gully. I was wondering if a fawn got separated from mom...it was that sort of "come get me" cry...could hear the other kind of crying "this way"
pitch black..I don't know how they get around at night. I see their tracks all the time. See them a lot too. Nothing like deer to get the old dog excited though. She thinks that's her job (to keep them away).
snowmman 3
http://www.corporatesupply.ca/coin.htm
has some interesting stuff (at Lead Coin Bag Seals) about tying off coin bags (which are open neck)
at least, current stuff.
hemp string may have been standard at the neck?
has some interesting stuff (at Lead Coin Bag Seals) about tying off coin bags (which are open neck)
at least, current stuff.
hemp string may have been standard at the neck?
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Quote377 said "It isn't bad Snow, but if you want a blue ribbon, edit the post to show Elvis in the Bubbleator. "
So you don't think I have a picture of Elvis holding hangdiver's new grandson in the Bubbleator?
I mean, hangdiver has already admitted the Ranger connection...what do you want, egg in your beer?
Don't you remember when Elvis broke on thru to the other side?
August 16, 1977
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley
And the WOW! signal was August 15, 1977
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal
Those FBI just don't know how to run an investigation.
THE ABOVE IS A CERTIFIED GOOD POST. 377
This money bag stuff bears some scrutiny once more. If Cooper had a satchel with handles the attachment to the rig would have presented far less of a problem. Still, it would be a MESS at high exit speeds. Things break under those airloads and torques. After landing from my DC 9 jet jump I heard of all sorts of things that had blown off jumpers, stuff which had withstood normal freefall forces in prior jumps.
Snow has proven that Aliens foretold Elvis's death. Given the distances involved to likely sources for the WOW signal, they knew about Elvis waaay before he was born. Georger is an astronomer of sorts, and a radio guy too. Your thoughts on the WOW sig G?
As a Coast to Coast AM guy, I am amazed the FBI/CIA alien signal 180 phase cancellation generator let that one (the WOW signal) get by. They must have popped a main circuit breaker while erasing all of Duane's files and it took down the whole facility at Langley.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
It still amazes me that the river travel folks, hold on to tributaries as something that obviously MUST be analyzed, yet rarely bring up the issue of storm drains.
If the money bag separated, it could have landed anywhere, since Cooper could have jumped anywhere.
If you don't like the Columbia, pick some open thing feeding to storm drain to Columbia.
Explain why that is less plausible than any river you're in love with.
If you can't, you're part of the conspiracy. I know. An old lady in Florida asked the FBI to prove her husband wasn't Cooper, for 14 years. The FBI wasn't able to do it.
Why?
For the love of god...I ask Why? Why? Why?
If the money bag separated, it could have landed anywhere, since Cooper could have jumped anywhere.
If you don't like the Columbia, pick some open thing feeding to storm drain to Columbia.
Explain why that is less plausible than any river you're in love with.
If you can't, you're part of the conspiracy. I know. An old lady in Florida asked the FBI to prove her husband wasn't Cooper, for 14 years. The FBI wasn't able to do it.
Why?
For the love of god...I ask Why? Why? Why?
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QuoteIt still amazes me that the river travel folks, hold onto tributaries as something that obviously MUST be analyzed, yet rarely bring up the issue of storm drains.
Do storm drain efluents end up in the Columbia or do they have to go through any treatment facilities, debris screens or settling ponds? There is a lot of road oil and junk in storm drain water. Don't know what the regs were in 71.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
377 said "Things break under those airloads and torques. "
I'm an expert on car drops because I posted once on a thread where a guy who was in a car drop posted and I watched some youtube video.
in any case, one of the car drops there (yellow car) was interesting because the door opened while the car was flipping (from the forces I presume) and I was surprised the guy flipping out of it didn't actually get creamed by the car/door/whatever.
Think of the forces on that car door once the car flipped sideways.
I'm an expert on car drops because I posted once on a thread where a guy who was in a car drop posted and I watched some youtube video.
in any case, one of the car drops there (yellow car) was interesting because the door opened while the car was flipping (from the forces I presume) and I was surprised the guy flipping out of it didn't actually get creamed by the car/door/whatever.
Think of the forces on that car door once the car flipped sideways.
snowmman 3
QuoteQuoteIt still amazes me that the river travel folks, hold onto tributaries as something that obviously MUST be analyzed, yet rarely bring up the issue of storm drains.
Do storm drain efluents end up in the Columbia or do they have to go through any treatment facilities, debris screens or settling ponds? There is a lot of road oil and junk in storm drain water. Don't know what the regs were in 71.
377
I suspect a bunch straight thru. We looked at this when we were analyzing Vancouver lake stuff. There were maps of storm drains. It's an important part of the whole water flow system.
It's pretty rare to process water thru storm drains, isn't it.
hence all the "drains to bay" stuff, and why they don't want you to dump used oil in storm drains...goes right out.
snowmman 3
Sarah P's taking a page from Elvis and hitting the Strip early in her career.
Viva Las Vegas! And there's going to be free beer!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/12/palin
Viva Las Vegas! And there's going to be free beer!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/12/palin
Georger I edited out part of what you said - ONLY to make a point.
Georger those are two good pictures and your idea about the History Detectives - is a great idea. They would concentraate ONLY on the bag and who knows what they might discover along the way.
I have heard several different descriptions of that bag from people who should know - and those who interviewed the witnesses and the writers of books who also claim to have spoke with the witnesses and dectectives and what one witness has made claim to.
Perhaps it would be a good exercise to mention each by name - then the descriptions they gave of the bags over the yrs. Not to use our own concept of the bag...show them after they make their description, pictures of all possible bags and choosing the one closest.
What I have heard
1.Himmelsbach:
a. bag with a drawstring.
2.Tosaw
Plain grey canvas sack
with no zipper, drawstring
or any other way to close
it.
3. Tina Mucklow (someone
needs to reference any
statements she made to
the media. She was the
person who I understood
handed the bag to Cooper.
4. Since she was present when
Cooper offered money to Tina
didn't she also see the bag.
It was after the money
arrived that the witnesses
and part of the crew were
released.
5. Unidentified witness
Claimed bag was a satchel
with a leather handle and
this person claimed to have
seen the bag.
6. Carr by way of his having
access to the file . Did
he read that part off and
if that this part of the FOIA.
Canvass bag with leather
handle.
7. Media - useless unless the
writer actually interviewed
the witness or FBI - (then
the statesments would be
added to those of that
"witness").
8. Gunter - (he did interview
one of the stewardess) -
claims canvas Bank bag
the size and weight of
2 very large city phone
books.
It was one of the very early documentaries that stated satchel and it even showed Cooper with a leather and canvas satchel. Flat retangular base, with leather straps and leather handle.
The 2 photos that Georger posted are good. The whitish - grainy bag is similar to what I saw, but it seemed like the writing went the other way - but I only opened it part way..
The heavier bag with the closure on it is similar to what one of the witnesses said, but I got the opinion it had a very secure closing on it..from the description given.
If we can develope good photos of all kinds of bags it could have been and then show these pictures to a witness - we nail down the bag. This is what the History detective would do.
.
Quoteattached are two bags of different size and type
both used at Seafirst -
How do you carry 10,000 stacked and bandled$20 bills if in an open unsealed bag ... it must have been a large bag you could grab at the top ?
Its very rare that a company that makes things doesnt have photos of the things they made.
I wonder if Seafirst would still have one of those old bags still around? Somebody keeps track of History somewhere? Should we turn this over to the History Detectives (NPR)?
In Ckret's original 'original' he seemed very careful
to mentioned 'handled bag'.
Georger those are two good pictures and your idea about the History Detectives - is a great idea. They would concentraate ONLY on the bag and who knows what they might discover along the way.
I have heard several different descriptions of that bag from people who should know - and those who interviewed the witnesses and the writers of books who also claim to have spoke with the witnesses and dectectives and what one witness has made claim to.
Perhaps it would be a good exercise to mention each by name - then the descriptions they gave of the bags over the yrs. Not to use our own concept of the bag...show them after they make their description, pictures of all possible bags and choosing the one closest.
What I have heard
1.Himmelsbach:
a. bag with a drawstring.
2.Tosaw
Plain grey canvas sack
with no zipper, drawstring
or any other way to close
it.
3. Tina Mucklow (someone
needs to reference any
statements she made to
the media. She was the
person who I understood
handed the bag to Cooper.
4. Since she was present when
Cooper offered money to Tina
didn't she also see the bag.
It was after the money
arrived that the witnesses
and part of the crew were
released.
5. Unidentified witness
Claimed bag was a satchel
with a leather handle and
this person claimed to have
seen the bag.
6. Carr by way of his having
access to the file . Did
he read that part off and
if that this part of the FOIA.
Canvass bag with leather
handle.
7. Media - useless unless the
writer actually interviewed
the witness or FBI - (then
the statesments would be
added to those of that
"witness").
8. Gunter - (he did interview
one of the stewardess) -
claims canvas Bank bag
the size and weight of
2 very large city phone
books.
It was one of the very early documentaries that stated satchel and it even showed Cooper with a leather and canvas satchel. Flat retangular base, with leather straps and leather handle.
The 2 photos that Georger posted are good. The whitish - grainy bag is similar to what I saw, but it seemed like the writing went the other way - but I only opened it part way..
The heavier bag with the closure on it is similar to what one of the witnesses said, but I got the opinion it had a very secure closing on it..from the description given.
If we can develope good photos of all kinds of bags it could have been and then show these pictures to a witness - we nail down the bag. This is what the History detective would do.
.
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Will she spread em, for the cause. Or be another Jo Weber, and just tease us? Only time will tell.
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Georger I edited out part of what you said - ONLY to make a point.Quoteattached are two bags of different size and type
both used at Seafirst -
How do you carry 10,000 stacked and bandled$20 bills if in an open unsealed bag ... it must have been a large bag you could grab at the top ?
Its very rare that a company that makes things doesnt have photos of the things they made.
I wonder if Seafirst would still have one of those old bags still around? Somebody keeps track of History somewhere? Should we turn this over to the History Detectives (NPR)?
In Ckret's original 'original' he seemed very careful
to mentioned 'handled bag'.
Georger those are two good pictures and your idea about the History Detectives - is a great idea. They would concentraate ONLY on the bag and who knows what they might discover along the way.
I have heard several different descriptions of that bag from people who should know - and those who interviewed the witnesses and the writers of books who also claim to have spoke with the witnesses and dectectives and what one witness has made claim to.
Perhaps it would be a good exercise to mention each by name - then the descriptions they gave of the bags over the yrs. Not to use our own concept of the bag...show them after they make their description, pictures of all possible bags and choosing the one closest.
What I have heard
1.Himmelsbach:
a. bag with a drawstring.
2.Tosaw
Plain grey canvas sack
with no zipper, drawstring
or any other way to close
it.
3. Tina Mucklow (someone
needs to reference any
statements she made to
the media. She was the
person who I understood
handed the bag to Cooper.
4. Since she was present when
Cooper offered money to Tina
didn't she also see the bag.
It was after the money
arrived that the witnesses
and part of the crew were
released.
5. Unidentified witness
Claimed bag was a satchel
with a leather handle and
this person claimed to have
seen the bag.
6. Carr by way of his having
access to the file . Did
he read that part off and
if that this part of the FOIA.
Canvass bag with leather
handle.
7. Media - useless unless the
writer actually interviewed
the witness or FBI - (then
the statesments would be
added to those of that
"witness").
8. Gunter - (he did interview
one of the stewardess) -
claims canvas Bank bag
the size and weight of
2 very large city phone
books.
It was one of the very early documentaries that stated satchel and it even showed Cooper with a leather and canvas satchel. Flat retangular base, with leather straps and leather handle.
The 2 photos that Georger posted are good. The whitish - grainy bag is similar to what I saw, but it seemed like the writing went the other way - but I only opened it part way..
The heavier bag with the closure on it is similar to what one of the witnesses said, but I got the opinion it had a very secure closing on it..from the description given.
If we can develope good photos of all kinds of bags it could have been and then show these pictures to a witness - we nail down the bag. This is what the History detective would do.
.
Questions first -
Do you happen to have the post Ckret made about the bag in the locked down thread?
How do get into this locked down thread or is that
impossible?
Both Safe and Guru were referring to that Ckret post
which I have never seen ( I wasnt here then). I sure
would like to read that post ???
Im going off and chase something else for 30 mins
and will be back ...
snowmman 3
SafecrackingPLF introduced the idea of handles.
I believe there is no post where Ckret mentioned handles.
I have searched.
here's what Ckret said on Nov 28,2007 (note that it's the locked thread)
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3029831;search_string=zipper;#3029831
Seafirst security packaged the money (all of the serial numbers on the bills had been prerecorded by Seafirst) into a white cloth bag with no zipper or draw string.
here's where I believe SafecrackingPLF misquoted
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3149616;search_string=handles;#3149616
SafecrackingPLF posts: Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper"
I always cut and past whenever I quote someone, especially if I use double quotes. Note SafecrackingPLF paraphrased, and used double quotes. I think he introduced myth.
Probably because he was brainwashed by the mistress.
Or? was there more to the misdirection?
(edit) we also know the site search index was rebuilt about a year ago or so. So even if Ckret editted in "handle" we should be able to hit it with a search (there was a search issue on editted stuff a while back. not sure if still there)
I believe there is no post where Ckret mentioned handles.
I have searched.
here's what Ckret said on Nov 28,2007 (note that it's the locked thread)
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3029831;search_string=zipper;#3029831
Seafirst security packaged the money (all of the serial numbers on the bills had been prerecorded by Seafirst) into a white cloth bag with no zipper or draw string.
here's where I believe SafecrackingPLF misquoted
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3149616;search_string=handles;#3149616
SafecrackingPLF posts: Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper"
I always cut and past whenever I quote someone, especially if I use double quotes. Note SafecrackingPLF paraphrased, and used double quotes. I think he introduced myth.
Probably because he was brainwashed by the mistress.
Or? was there more to the misdirection?
(edit) we also know the site search index was rebuilt about a year ago or so. So even if Ckret editted in "handle" we should be able to hit it with a search (there was a search issue on editted stuff a while back. not sure if still there)
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Attached are three images of paratroopers burdened with some oddly sized gear.
Is there a common theme in the paratroopers techniques?
Did Cooper display any of these techniques and what were they?
Is there a common theme in the paratroopers techniques?
Did Cooper display any of these techniques and what were they?
snowmman 3
It's really funny how we can't keep basic facts straight.
I think it's because there's just a couple. You get those right, and everyone starts creating bullshit theories, which is fine.
But that's all there is. And then we argue about whether someone's bullshit theory is fact or theory.
And then we argue about whether it's a good theory.
But all theories are possible. There's not enough evidence to exclude anything.
What a perfect crime. Except for the possible dying part.
I think it's because there's just a couple. You get those right, and everyone starts creating bullshit theories, which is fine.
But that's all there is. And then we argue about whether someone's bullshit theory is fact or theory.
And then we argue about whether it's a good theory.
But all theories are possible. There's not enough evidence to exclude anything.
What a perfect crime. Except for the possible dying part.
snowmman 3
QuoteAttached are three images of paratroopers burdened with some oddly sized gear.
Is there a common theme in the paratroopers techniques?
Did Cooper display any of these techniques and what were they?
wear a helmet and boots?..and always use a static line.
Jo posted this> > Notice that Georger, nor I, nor Sluggo, nor Safecrack and others who are vested in this investigation are currently posting.
I should have been more clear to whom I was replying.
I can't seem to find the original post now, but Jo was saying we were all off topic with no pertinent info and then pms me for more info on smoke jumpers saying it was an interesting post.
Man I'm sure glad I got that cleared up.
Snowmman said>hangdiver, we discussed that and your weed problems, that got you talking about smokejumpers. Now throw out the stash...I mean airtwardo's a grandpa, show some respect and say "congrats"...lighting a big one is supposed to be a cigar, not a doobie.
snowmman you should know we call it "medication" in northern California. My doctor says so.
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
I should have been more clear to whom I was replying.
I can't seem to find the original post now, but Jo was saying we were all off topic with no pertinent info and then pms me for more info on smoke jumpers saying it was an interesting post.
Man I'm sure glad I got that cleared up.
Snowmman said>hangdiver, we discussed that and your weed problems, that got you talking about smokejumpers. Now throw out the stash...I mean airtwardo's a grandpa, show some respect and say "congrats"...lighting a big one is supposed to be a cigar, not a doobie.
snowmman you should know we call it "medication" in northern California. My doctor says so.
"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan
snowmman 3
Interesting story about what kind of guy thinks he can get away with stealing $17 million in cash
(true story, in 1997)
Google Books has most of the pages, so you can start reading at page 1 and scroll thru
http://books.google.com/books?id=FHmrc2f8CmIC&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Now what kind of guy would steal $20Million to build a tunnel in South Africa?
Or smuggle drugs to rent C-130s to help set a new record bigway? :)
Jo said "Notice that Georger, nor I, nor Sluggo, nor Safecrack and others who are vested in this investigation are currently posting. "
vested, invested...you say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to...as long as the subs get paid in SA, the tunnel gets built!
(true story, in 1997)
Google Books has most of the pages, so you can start reading at page 1 and scroll thru
http://books.google.com/books?id=FHmrc2f8CmIC&pg=PA1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
Now what kind of guy would steal $20Million to build a tunnel in South Africa?
Or smuggle drugs to rent C-130s to help set a new record bigway? :)
Jo said "Notice that Georger, nor I, nor Sluggo, nor Safecrack and others who are vested in this investigation are currently posting. "
vested, invested...you say to-may-to, I say to-mah-to...as long as the subs get paid in SA, the tunnel gets built!
So you don't think I have a picture of Elvis holding hangdiver's new grandson in the Bubbleator?
I mean, hangdiver has already admitted the Ranger connection...what do you want, egg in your beer?
Don't you remember when Elvis broke on thru to the other side?
August 16, 1977
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elvis_Presley
And the WOW! signal was August 15, 1977
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal
Those FBI just don't know how to run an investigation.
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