camamel 0 #1 April 9, 2007 Who is the skydivers with the most jump? Is it still Bill Dause?When you think you're good...this is when you become dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #2 April 9, 2007 Most parachute landings? Don Kellner. Most Freefall time? Bill DauseYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
camamel 0 #3 April 9, 2007 Those two where head to head 15 years ago. Is it still the case? How many jumps do they have? How many freefall time? Thanks RichardWhen you think you're good...this is when you become dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #4 April 9, 2007 Last I saw Don was pushing over 37000 jumps and Bill was I think at about 32000 but Bill has a lot more freefall time.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #5 April 9, 2007 I thought Jim Wallace was way up there in jump #s / experience too? I seem to recall a pissing contest going a few years back as to whether "most experienced = most jumps" or "most experience = most freefall time"... as didn't one of this crowd have more jumps, because of hop-n-pops after putting out 1000s of SL students while one of the other had less jump numbers, but more freefall time since most of their jumps were from the top??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #6 April 9, 2007 one of the most complete would still be Eric Fradet multi-world-champion in multi-disciplinesscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ripcords 0 #7 April 9, 2007 Don Kellner has over 37000 skydives verified by the United States Parachute Association, and has maintained the Guinness World Record for the Career Total - Sport Parachute Descents since 1991. Prior to that it was Roch Charmet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #8 April 9, 2007 >I seem to recall a pissing contest going a few years back as to whether >"most experienced = most jumps" or "most experience = most freefall >time" Then you run into the tunnel time problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #9 April 9, 2007 Quote >I seem to recall a pissing contest going a few years back as to whether >"most experienced = most jumps" or "most experience = most freefall >time" Then you run into the tunnel time problem. You gotta be shitin' me!!??! Not to take away anything from the tunnel rats, but they aren't possibly thinking tunnel time = freefall time!!?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #10 April 9, 2007 >Not to take away anything from the tunnel rats, but they aren't >possibly thinking tunnel time = freefall time!!?? It is literally freefall time. Doesn't count for USPA, but definitely counts towards whether someone has experience in freefall - and I could see someone claiming it _should_ count. In addition, you can easily skew actual freefall time +/- 25% in either direction by changing assumed fallrate or making assumptions about openings. Hence total jumps might be the more unambiguous number. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 8 #11 April 10, 2007 Quote It is literally freefall time. I'd argue that, but who am I... Quote Doesn't count for USPA... GOOD! Hope it stays that way. Quote ... but definitely counts towards whether someone has experience in freefall Yes, I'd agree with that. I've meet some tunnel rats that had some wicked freefall... real freefall, that comes from jumping from an aircraft... with very few jump numbers... but they also lacked something important when it comes to real freefall... REMEMBERING TO OPEN A PARACHUTE BEFORE IMPACT. Most all of them had their AFF jumpmasters pull for them on their first several AFF jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lekstrom10k 0 #12 April 10, 2007 Don Kellner may have more jumps. but ask how many are above 4000. Also how many are solos. Bill Dause has 500 + hours in free-fall and jumps with anybody. I am proud of him To me the comparison is like a guy playing Putt-Putt golf 3700 times and saying he is as good as Tiger Woods [last count 30+ skydives too] Ya but Don got it through the wind-mill for a hole in one back in 1996 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
velvetjo 0 #13 April 10, 2007 Quote Don Kellner may have more jumps. but ask how many are above 4000. Also how many are solos. Bill Dause has 500 + hours in free-fall and jumps with anybody. I am proud of him To me the comparison is like a guy playing Putt-Putt golf 3700 times and saying he is as good as Tiger Woods [last count 30+ skydives too] Ya but Don got it through the wind-mill for a hole in one back in 1996 You've obviously never been on a hop-n-pop load with Don Kellner. His spots always keep it interesting for the rest of us exiting the plane behind him. You'd better let Jay Stokes know that his record jumps don't count either, since they were below 4,000'. Lance Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 56 #14 April 10, 2007 Quote Bill Dause has 500 + hours in free-fall That's over THREE WEEKS of continous freefall! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 56 #15 April 10, 2007 http://userweb.intergrafix.net/ripcords/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #16 April 10, 2007 Quote Quote It is literally freefall time. I'd argue that, but who am I... Quote Doesn't count for USPA... GOOD! Hope it stays that way. I'd debate that too, but stop short of arguing. If we are going to get literal, to satisfy the fall in freefall, I'd say there has to be falling, not floating." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #17 April 10, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Doesn't count for USPA... GOOD! Hope it stays that way. I'd debate that too, but stop short of arguing. If we are going to get literal, to satisfy the fall in freefall, I'd say there has to be falling, not floating. Well, it's also not called the USPA for nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
camamel 0 #18 April 10, 2007 Thanks all of you guys This thread was not about quality jumps...anyway what is a quality jump? Leksrom10k ...if I read you well Cheryl Stearn is a nobody because she always jump from a lower altitude,with a lot of up and pops and not that much freefall time for the amounts of jumps!! Don and Bill are both exceptionnals skydivers since many years. Don jumps , open his parachute and land 37000 times. That's make him my # 1 ...but Bill is not far behind and still # 1 in freefall time. Piisfish... Yes Eric is an outstanding skydiver like Dan B.C. and some few others with 20 to 25k skydives. But you have to admit that 37k jumps is a totally different league . Thanks Richard PS I hope to have the chance to meet those two exceptionnals skydivers in freefall one of those days.When you think you're good...this is when you become dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hjumper33 0 #19 April 10, 2007 Hey what about wingsuit jumps? Freefall is at least doubled for every jump. A quote from Bill Dause while doing my 5th hop n' pop of the day. "The sport of skydiving is in freefall. How many jumps do you have? me - about 300. bill- and you dont know how to land a parachute yet?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
camamel 0 #20 April 10, 2007 Yes I remember Roch Charmet. Thanks for your comments. RichardWhen you think you're good...this is when you become dangerous. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #21 April 11, 2007 Quote Hey what about wingsuit jumps? Freefall is at least doubled for every jump. A quote from Bill Dause while doing my 5th hop n' pop of the day. "The sport of skydiving is in freefall. How many jumps do you have? me - about 300. bill- and you dont know how to land a parachute yet?" Maybe the question should be comparing....Skydiving & Parachute Jumping. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #22 April 11, 2007 Quote Don Kellner may have more jumps. but ask how many are above 4000. Also how many are solos. Bill Dause has 500 + hours in free-fall and jumps with anybody. I am proud of him To me the comparison is like a guy playing Putt-Putt golf 3700 times and saying he is as good as Tiger Woods [last count 30+ skydives too] Ya but Don got it through the wind-mill for a hole in one back in 1996 I would say that when you get another 26,000 jumps under your belt you can compare Dons achievement to putt putt golf if you still feel like it.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GrabGrass 0 #23 April 11, 2007 Quote I would say that when you get another 26,000 jumps under your belt you can compare Dons achievement to putt putt golf if you still feel like it. *** And I would say, when you get 36 more years and 11,967 more jumps under YOUR belt...Lekstrom10k might listen to your opnion. ~ "Pack Fast, Pull Low... and Date Your Riggers WIFE!" ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisL 2 #24 April 11, 2007 Quote Quote I would say that when you get another 26,000 jumps under your belt you can compare Dons achievement to putt putt golf if you still feel like it. *** And I would say, when you get 36 more years and 11,967 more jumps under YOUR belt...Lekstrom10k might listen to your opnion. Since 37,000 jumps doesn't impress him, it wont matter how many jumps I accumulate. Regardless, I didn't presume to judge him. He did presume to judge Don. Totally different.__ My mighty steed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwampThing 0 #25 April 11, 2007 Quote I didn't presume to judge him. W O O S H The Pessimist says: "It can't possibly get any worse!" The Optimist says: "Sure it can!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
