anonymousdude 0 #1 September 10, 2008 I'm learning quickly in skydiving that honesty is not the best policy. I used to think we were all family looking out for one another.. These days when you look under the curtain you're faced with negative gossip in a "kiicky" environment. I've seen three situations at three different dropzones. where the actions of a person were wrong or even a little negligent. nothing that put human life in jeopardy, just offended a couple of people. the offended parties made a huge spectacle of it. blowing everything out of proportion and treating them as if they just murdered a kid. It blows me away to see the politics within this sport of socialism and family.. I see same immature klickiness that i thought was left in high school.. So come one people.. look out for your like, you never know when you may need them to stick up for you.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpdude 0 #2 September 10, 2008 Quote I'm learning quickly in skydiving that honesty is not the best policy. I used to think we were all family looking out for one another.. These days when you look under the curtain you're faced with negative gossip in a "kiicky" environment. I've seen three situations at three different dropzones. where the actions of a person were wrong or even a little negligent. nothing that put human life in jeopardy, just offended a couple of people. the offended parties made a huge spectacle of it. blowing everything out of proportion and treating them as if they just murdered a kid. It blows me away to see the politics within this sport of socialism and family.. I see same immature klickiness that i thought was left in high school.. So come one people.. look out for your like, you never know when you may need them to stick up for you.. Yep you are right, honesty is not always the best policy, but look at sLyride, Honesty is NOT their policy! Just my 2 cents worth, if it was worth that much.Refuse to Lose!!! Failure is NOT an option! 1800skyrideripoff.com Nashvilleskydiving.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denete 2 #3 September 10, 2008 QuoteSo come one people.. look out for your like, you never know when you may need them to stick up for you.. That's a pretty clique-ish statement right there.SCR #14809 "our attitude is the thing most capable of keeping us safe" (look, grab, look, grab, peel, punch, punch, arch) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #4 September 10, 2008 Hey, sorry I pissed you off. Didn't know it was youPeople are people. Don't hang with the ones you don't like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #5 September 10, 2008 We're not a family, we're only a community of people who share at least one thing in common. That's all. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #6 September 10, 2008 So come one people.. look out for your like, you never know when you may need them to stick up for you.. Quote Fuck 'em...don't do anything wrong & ya won't need a 'stick up' .....besides, the LAST place i'm goin' for a character reference is the dropzone! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #7 September 10, 2008 >>honesty not allways the best policyWhen I was laying with my tibia and fibula sticking out through the skin of my leg after a B.A.S.E. jump that went badly I asked the first person who reached me, "How bad does it look?" "It's not that bad." he lied. And I actually felt better for a few precious seconds . . . NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #8 September 10, 2008 QuoteI've seen three situations at three different dropzones. where the actions of a person were wrong or even a little negligent. nothing that put human life in jeopardy, just offended a couple of people. the offended parties made a huge spectacle of it. blowing everything out of proportion and treating them as if they just murdered a kid. You mean like, directly after the jump where the 'offended party' got a big scare? Happened to me once too - Was forced into a scary out (the only option except a tree) and when i got back to the DZ I tried to reasonably discuss with the guy why I wasn't very happy with him, but what with the adrenalin and all, people in the next town could hear me shout at him. When i calmed down I apologised, of course and no harm done. But other people only heard me shout at the guy so who knows (or cares) what they think about the incident. But that's skydivers for you - always ready to gossip. Even the anonymous dudes."That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #9 September 10, 2008 Quote >>honesty not always the best policyWhen I was laying with my tibia and fibula sticking out through the skin of my leg after a B.A.S.E. jump that went badly I asked the first person who reached me, "How bad does it look?" "It's not that bad." he lied. And I actually felt better for a few precious seconds . . . NickD Yeah but it's all relative...coulda been a femur polkin' through too! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #10 September 10, 2008 Quote >>honesty not allways the best policyWhen I was laying with my tibia and fibula sticking out through the skin of my leg after a B.A.S.E. jump that went badly I asked the first person who reached me, "How bad does it look?" "It's not that bad." he lied. And I actually felt better for a few precious seconds . . . NickD Quit yer whinnin'. Suck it up, cupcake. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #11 September 10, 2008 How does your post relate to "honesty" as opposed to dealing with assholes?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #12 September 10, 2008 These days when you look under the curtain you're faced with negative gossip in a "kl icky" environment. Quote ~then quit lookin' under the curtain. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites virgin-burner 1 #13 September 10, 2008 i agree 100%! now, remember WHY you go to the dropzone and face them arseholes with the same shitty attitude and JUMP!!!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #14 September 10, 2008 Quote >>honesty not allways the best policyWhen I was laying with my tibia and fibula sticking out through the skin of my leg after a B.A.S.E. jump that went badly I asked the first person who reached me, "How bad does it look?" "It's not that bad." he lied. And I actually felt better for a few precious seconds . . . NickD It's just a flesh wound, . . . turned inside out." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #15 September 10, 2008 QuoteI'm learning quickly in skydiving that honesty is not the best policy... Actually it is the best policy. First rule though, be honest with yourself. Can't get there with others if you are fooling yourself. Unless you are very very new to the sport (which we can't tell because you are extremely anonymous) you have to have recognized that the social dynamics of the DZ are fundamentally the same as most other social circles. Sure, there is a little more openness to adventure, a bit more of a free-spiritied atmosphere and crowd; but there are also the same general tendencies of groups of humans to behave like groups of humans. People have favorites, peeves, fears, perversions, highs, lows, nuerosis, etc; and in general there is a wide spread of character attributes. One of my favorite sayings "Everybody has their nuerosis." Be OK with yours, give a little berth for others and theirs, and you can probably get along with just about everybody. The DZ is no different. There might be a challenge if you have a sour relationship that gets in the way of one of your objectives. I call that a Toxic Relationship; one you have decided to endure, but in which you are not honest. A good example is a relative you won't cast off but wouldn't engage with if there wasn't a blood tie. Those can be challenging, but the choice to engage and deal with them is all up to each individual. Going to the DZ doesn't change that; it is not a social utopia. End of long-winded pontification." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreaming13000 1 #16 September 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteI'm learning quickly in skydiving that honesty is not the best policy... Actually it is the best policy. First rule though, be honest with yourself. Can't get there with others if you are fooling yourself. Unless you are very very new to the sport (which we can't tell because you are extremely anonymous) you have to have recognized that the social dynamics of the DZ are fundamentally the same as most other social circles. Sure, there is a little more openness to adventure, a bit more of a free-spiritied atmosphere and crowd; but there are also the same general tendencies of groups of humans to behave like groups of humans. People have favorites, peeves, fears, perversions, highs, lows, nuerosis, etc; and in general there is a wide spread of character attributes. One of my favorite sayings "Everybody has their nuerosis." Be OK with yours, give a little berth for others and theirs, and you can probably get along with just about everybody. The DZ is no different. There might be a challenge if you have a sour relationship that gets in the way of one of your objectives. I call that a Toxic Relationship; one you have decided to endure, but in which you are not honest. A good example is a relative you won't cast off but wouldn't engage with if there wasn't a blood tie. Those can be challenging, but the choice to engage and deal with them is all up to each individual. Going to the DZ doesn't change that; it is not a social utopia. End of long-winded pontification. +1"A man only gets in life what he is believing for, nothing more and nothing less" Kenneth Hagen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peregrinerose 0 #17 September 10, 2008 Anyone else see the irony in someone called 'anonymousdude' griping about lack of honesty? Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. As Pops said, suck it up cupcake (and that's MY line by the way. You can't change how other people are, you can only modify your own behavior. Accept others as they are, build bridges instead of burning them, and look at your own treatment of other people and try to handle situations as ethically and well as possible. Learn from your mistakes. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #18 September 10, 2008 QuoteAnyone else see the irony in someone called 'anonymousdude' griping about lack of honesty? Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. Yeah. But since it was post #1 and there is no profile info maybe it is a newbie who has not yet been accepted, trying to fit in and maybe a bit frustrated. NickDG said it well in another thread. Those first 100 can be pretty tough time. Especially if you're not real outgoing, or a hot chick, or bringing lots of beer, or something else that gets people's attention. I made a good number of solo jumps waiting for people to recognize that I was not going away and really did want to learn what they knew. There were some very frustrating days those first couple summers. As mentioned though; no different than a lot of other activities. I experienced a similar thing when I moved and went looking to play ball. I am a damned good ballplayer, and it took me 2 seasons to get fully accepted. Started out catching and DHing and had to prove myself anew. If you want something, be prepared to persevere." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rwieder 0 #19 September 10, 2008 Your post perplexes me a great degreel. Your profile tells us nothing as to who you are. You just registered yesterday, And your already whining about clicks at DZ's? When, or if you visit a DZ, do you go there to sky dive or listen to rhetoric and inuendos. Talk is just that, talk. So WHAT? -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DottieBear 0 #20 September 10, 2008 I'm not sure how the topic relates to the subject matter. Those yelling at the person who was wrong or offended someone WERE being honest. Sometimes people need to be told they are doing something wrong. Perhaps noone was harmed this time, but we are in a sport where a small mistake can kill some one else. I have no problem if someone comes up to me and rips into me if I did something unsafe....it will make me angry, for sure, but it will also most likely stop me from ever doing it again.~Dottie “Everything looks perfect from far away.” Postal Service, Such Great Heights Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyangel2 2 #21 September 10, 2008 Quote As Pops said, suck it up cupcake (and that's MY line by the way. Your search for suck it up cupcake returned 213 results in 0.732s. Guess a lot of posters think it's their line too http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=suck+it+up+cupcake&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=&sb=score&mh=25May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites peregrinerose 0 #22 September 10, 2008 Quote Quote As Pops said, suck it up cupcake (and that's MY line by the way. Your search for suck it up cupcake returned 213 results in 0.732s. Guess a lot of posters think it's their line too http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=suck+it+up+cupcake&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=&sb=score&mh=25 Guess I should have licensed that phrase, eh? Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites squarecanopy 0 #23 September 10, 2008 Quote >>honesty not allways the best policyWhen I was laying with my tibia and fibula sticking out through the skin of my leg after a B.A.S.E. jump that went badly I asked the first person who reached me, "How bad does it look?" "It's not that bad." he lied. And I actually felt better for a few precious seconds . . . NickD Unfortunately had the same experience but on a skydive (you BASE jumpers are nukin futz) and it actually hurt worse after I figured out the truth... Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #24 September 11, 2008 Quote Guess I should have licensed that phrase, eh? suck it up cupcake (©2008 peregrinerose) Never too late. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #25 September 11, 2008 Quote I'm learning quickly in skydiving anything that honesty is not the best policy. "Honey? Do these pants make my ass look fat?" Hmmmm. You'd better know the proper answer and give it right off the top of your head with no hesitation. (hint: it rhymes with "know".) Take it from somebody who learned the hard way. 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virgin-burner 1 #13 September 10, 2008 i agree 100%! now, remember WHY you go to the dropzone and face them arseholes with the same shitty attitude and JUMP!!!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #14 September 10, 2008 Quote >>honesty not allways the best policyWhen I was laying with my tibia and fibula sticking out through the skin of my leg after a B.A.S.E. jump that went badly I asked the first person who reached me, "How bad does it look?" "It's not that bad." he lied. And I actually felt better for a few precious seconds . . . NickD It's just a flesh wound, . . . turned inside out." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #15 September 10, 2008 QuoteI'm learning quickly in skydiving that honesty is not the best policy... Actually it is the best policy. First rule though, be honest with yourself. Can't get there with others if you are fooling yourself. Unless you are very very new to the sport (which we can't tell because you are extremely anonymous) you have to have recognized that the social dynamics of the DZ are fundamentally the same as most other social circles. Sure, there is a little more openness to adventure, a bit more of a free-spiritied atmosphere and crowd; but there are also the same general tendencies of groups of humans to behave like groups of humans. People have favorites, peeves, fears, perversions, highs, lows, nuerosis, etc; and in general there is a wide spread of character attributes. One of my favorite sayings "Everybody has their nuerosis." Be OK with yours, give a little berth for others and theirs, and you can probably get along with just about everybody. The DZ is no different. There might be a challenge if you have a sour relationship that gets in the way of one of your objectives. I call that a Toxic Relationship; one you have decided to endure, but in which you are not honest. A good example is a relative you won't cast off but wouldn't engage with if there wasn't a blood tie. Those can be challenging, but the choice to engage and deal with them is all up to each individual. Going to the DZ doesn't change that; it is not a social utopia. End of long-winded pontification." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreaming13000 1 #16 September 10, 2008 QuoteQuoteI'm learning quickly in skydiving that honesty is not the best policy... Actually it is the best policy. First rule though, be honest with yourself. Can't get there with others if you are fooling yourself. Unless you are very very new to the sport (which we can't tell because you are extremely anonymous) you have to have recognized that the social dynamics of the DZ are fundamentally the same as most other social circles. Sure, there is a little more openness to adventure, a bit more of a free-spiritied atmosphere and crowd; but there are also the same general tendencies of groups of humans to behave like groups of humans. People have favorites, peeves, fears, perversions, highs, lows, nuerosis, etc; and in general there is a wide spread of character attributes. One of my favorite sayings "Everybody has their nuerosis." Be OK with yours, give a little berth for others and theirs, and you can probably get along with just about everybody. The DZ is no different. There might be a challenge if you have a sour relationship that gets in the way of one of your objectives. I call that a Toxic Relationship; one you have decided to endure, but in which you are not honest. A good example is a relative you won't cast off but wouldn't engage with if there wasn't a blood tie. Those can be challenging, but the choice to engage and deal with them is all up to each individual. Going to the DZ doesn't change that; it is not a social utopia. End of long-winded pontification. +1"A man only gets in life what he is believing for, nothing more and nothing less" Kenneth Hagen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #17 September 10, 2008 Anyone else see the irony in someone called 'anonymousdude' griping about lack of honesty? Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. As Pops said, suck it up cupcake (and that's MY line by the way. You can't change how other people are, you can only modify your own behavior. Accept others as they are, build bridges instead of burning them, and look at your own treatment of other people and try to handle situations as ethically and well as possible. Learn from your mistakes. Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #18 September 10, 2008 QuoteAnyone else see the irony in someone called 'anonymousdude' griping about lack of honesty? Seems a little bit hypocritical to me. Yeah. But since it was post #1 and there is no profile info maybe it is a newbie who has not yet been accepted, trying to fit in and maybe a bit frustrated. NickDG said it well in another thread. Those first 100 can be pretty tough time. Especially if you're not real outgoing, or a hot chick, or bringing lots of beer, or something else that gets people's attention. I made a good number of solo jumps waiting for people to recognize that I was not going away and really did want to learn what they knew. There were some very frustrating days those first couple summers. As mentioned though; no different than a lot of other activities. I experienced a similar thing when I moved and went looking to play ball. I am a damned good ballplayer, and it took me 2 seasons to get fully accepted. Started out catching and DHing and had to prove myself anew. If you want something, be prepared to persevere." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #19 September 10, 2008 Your post perplexes me a great degreel. Your profile tells us nothing as to who you are. You just registered yesterday, And your already whining about clicks at DZ's? When, or if you visit a DZ, do you go there to sky dive or listen to rhetoric and inuendos. Talk is just that, talk. So WHAT? -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DottieBear 0 #20 September 10, 2008 I'm not sure how the topic relates to the subject matter. Those yelling at the person who was wrong or offended someone WERE being honest. Sometimes people need to be told they are doing something wrong. Perhaps noone was harmed this time, but we are in a sport where a small mistake can kill some one else. I have no problem if someone comes up to me and rips into me if I did something unsafe....it will make me angry, for sure, but it will also most likely stop me from ever doing it again.~Dottie “Everything looks perfect from far away.” Postal Service, Such Great Heights Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #21 September 10, 2008 Quote As Pops said, suck it up cupcake (and that's MY line by the way. Your search for suck it up cupcake returned 213 results in 0.732s. Guess a lot of posters think it's their line too http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=suck+it+up+cupcake&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=&sb=score&mh=25May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peregrinerose 0 #22 September 10, 2008 Quote Quote As Pops said, suck it up cupcake (and that's MY line by the way. Your search for suck it up cupcake returned 213 results in 0.732s. Guess a lot of posters think it's their line too http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=suck+it+up+cupcake&search_type=AND&search_fields=sb&search_time=&search_user_username=&sb=score&mh=25 Guess I should have licensed that phrase, eh? Do or do not, there is no try -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squarecanopy 0 #23 September 10, 2008 Quote >>honesty not allways the best policyWhen I was laying with my tibia and fibula sticking out through the skin of my leg after a B.A.S.E. jump that went badly I asked the first person who reached me, "How bad does it look?" "It's not that bad." he lied. And I actually felt better for a few precious seconds . . . NickD Unfortunately had the same experience but on a skydive (you BASE jumpers are nukin futz) and it actually hurt worse after I figured out the truth... Just burning a hole in the sky..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #24 September 11, 2008 Quote Guess I should have licensed that phrase, eh? suck it up cupcake (©2008 peregrinerose) Never too late. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #25 September 11, 2008 Quote I'm learning quickly in skydiving anything that honesty is not the best policy. "Honey? Do these pants make my ass look fat?" Hmmmm. You'd better know the proper answer and give it right off the top of your head with no hesitation. (hint: it rhymes with "know".) Take it from somebody who learned the hard way. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
