keithbar 1 #26 August 4, 2009 Quote . We threw a 4-way out yesterday, experience as follows 1. 30 jumps 2. 130 jumps (me) 3. 1500 jumps 4. 11,000 jumps let me guess the guy with 11,000 jumps was basei have on occasion been accused of pulling low . My response. Naw I wasn't low I'm just such a big guy I look closer than I really am . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaronVonBoll 0 #27 August 4, 2009 QuoteSorry you had that experience. I'll jump with you anytime. Thanks guys I appreciate it!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #28 August 6, 2009 Might I suggest: www.skydivespaceland.comMykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 291 #29 August 6, 2009 You have to realize that the "A" license is a newer rating than B, C and D, so it may take a while longer to gain acceptance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
elltee56 0 #30 August 7, 2009 At our dropzone we anly ask jump numbers to get an idea where to put you on our next dive. We jump with anyone who wants to do RW. When you are in NEW JERSEY next, stop in at X-Keys and share some jumps with Steve Love and L.TYou are only as good as you think you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #31 August 8, 2009 Quote Should I just stay at my home DZZ until I have a "C" licence and a coach rating? When you're around long enough, you'll find out that the contempt people have for the coach rating is BY FAR worse than the contempt they have for A license holders. That being said, some things I've learned - don't take it as advice, just take it as some things I've learned for myself: 1. The higher your license or rating, the more that the people "above" you have contempt for you. I have an AFFI rating, and it usually seems like everyone thinks I'm some sort of stupid newbie. 2. The more jumps you have, the less you will feel like you know anything at all. Right now, I have more jumps than I ever have, and I feel like I know next to nothing about skydiving. 3. Don't give up because a few people are snobs. Keep talking to people, keep asking, expect to get rejected, and be pleasantly surprised when you find yourself on a skydive with several other people that have thousands of jumps. 4. All of this is great to remember, because some day you will have hundreds or thousands of skydives, and then you can be cool to the people that have A-licenses, and go jump with them.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surfbum5412 0 #32 August 8, 2009 Quotelast two weekends i decided to leave the confort of my HOME DZ and see what some other DZs might be like I took a little road trip and went to three new (for me) DZs. In each case it was very similar. I went in to the manifest and signed in. Gave all my info and repack certification etc, paid my jump fees. everyone was friendly. I am a gregarious individual to start with, so I introduced myself to everyone a I met. Everyone was welcoming until they asked the question "What licence do you have?" As soon as I answered "A" people walked away. No body asked how many jumps what rig do you have nothing! they just didnt want anything to do with an "A" licence holder. Very strange. I ended up sitting in the hanger watching TV all by myself, and more to the point jumping by myself at each drop zone. Is this behavior common at most drop zones? Should I just stay at my home DZZ until I have a "C" licence and a coach rating? Absolutely ridiculous. I have about 600 jumps and still have my A license. Whats the point in getting anything higher than that? I can jump out of balloons/helicopters and do night jumps because of my jump number. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
npgraphicdesign 2 #33 August 8, 2009 Quote Quote Quote No it's not like that at all DZ's. My home DZ has a Rw and FF organizer that works with all skill levels, and alot fun jumpers thatwill jump with anybody! Some Dz's are like you talk about though. You should not give up on other DZ's untill you have more jumps. JohnDeere is full of it. he won't jump with anybody unless they have a D and a world record. . Oh shit i got called out Hush up you damn rookie Truth hurts doesn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #34 August 8, 2009 Time was when the newbies had to stick together and slug it out, learning the hard way, because nobody with over 100 jumps would have anything to do with them. That situation has generally improved, especially at dropzones that use real load organizers. At Perris, which is admittedly one of the largest operations going, there are designated LO's for both formation and freefly jumping and they will steer you to which one works with people at your experience level. Other dropzones don't have designated LO's and I've found myself (with a D license) in the same boat, looking for somebody, anybody, to jump with. Dropzones really ought to use LO's on a regular basis, just for business sake. If you let your LO's jump for free and tell them they need to manifest something like at least one load an hour, you'll make more money, getting more business in the air. It's simpler than stupid. Sitting down and watching TV is giving up though, you can do that at home or in a hotel room. Try to learn to sitfly, or track on your back, or even just on your belly (perpendicular to the line of flight, of course). If nothing else, do a hop & pop and if people ask you how come you're just hop & popping, tell 'em why ! But don't sit and watch the idiot box. You'll never jump with anybody doing that. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IMALSUTIGERFAN 0 #35 August 9, 2009 Well, I have not run accross anything like that, I was in Co and after spending a day at the tunnel went and jumped the next day, still on student (only 12 jumps at he time) I found everyone friendly and willing to help with any questians I had about jumping at the differant alt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #36 August 9, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote No it's not like that at all DZ's. My home DZ has a Rw and FF organizer that works with all skill levels, and alot fun jumpers thatwill jump with anybody! Some Dz's are like you talk about though. You should not give up on other DZ's untill you have more jumps. JohnDeere is full of it. he won't jump with anybody unless they have a D and a world record. . Oh shit i got called out Hush up you damn rookie Truth hurts doesn't it? Sure does you damn yank!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #37 August 9, 2009 Were did you jump in CO?Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #38 August 10, 2009 Some DZ's are very clicky.. I spent some time on a DZ that wouldn't let me sit-fly despite me having a USPA B licence (I didn't have any of the UK ratings), and I've also been at DZ's where world-record champions did jumps with me just for fun when I only had about 100 jumps.. And no, it's not just because I have boobs!! Sometimes it's about the way you hold yourself.. You can easily come across as overly cocky when inexperienced, which makes some people weary of you being unsafe in the air. Equally, you might "try too hard", which makes people think you're too much of an eager-beaver so they don't want to take a chance. Some people are snobs, but sometimes showing a bit of restraint and willingness to listen can go a long way. LOADS of people love jumping with a newbie that's really willing to learn and has a positive attitude. Don't despair.. And like everyone said, since you're so close to getting you B licence, this could go a long way toward building people's confidence in your safety/abilities. Maybe when you arrive at a new DZ go straight to an intructor and ask if he can do a coach jump with you to give you some pointers on whatever it is you want to improve (ie: sit-fly, formations, stuff you need for your B-licence). Doing that means he or she can immediately spread the word that you're cool to jump with. And buy your beer!! Thank people for jumping with you and soak up wisdome from everyone else.. Socialising outside of the jump-hours helps you find jump buddies. Hope this helps - lots of good advice on this thread "There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #39 August 11, 2009 QuoteMaybe when you arrive at a new DZ go straight to an intructor and ask if he can do a coach jump with you to give you some pointers on whatever it is you want to improve (ie: sit-fly, formations, stuff you need for your B-licence). Doing that means he or she can immediately spread the word that you're cool to jump with. And buy your beer!! Thank people for jumping with you and soak up wisdome from everyone else.. Socialising outside of the jump-hours helps you find jump buddies. These are good pieces of advice. Sometimes even calling up the DZ in advance of your first visit there can pay off once you get there. And carrying 2 or 3 cases of beer in the trunk of your car the next time you make a road trip like that can be a worthwhile investment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladydyver 0 #40 August 14, 2009 definitely not like that everywhere...honestly i have never run into that issue..... come over and play with us...we will take care of ya DPH # 2 "I am not sure what you are suppose to do with that, but I don't think it is suppose to flop around like that." ~Skootz~ I have a strong regard for the rules.......doc! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
