ryoder 1,390
We need a permanent "I told you so" Thread in the incident forum
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I remember when I first transferred into the high performance realm. I underwent a fairly rapid downsize through several demos and onto a x-brace. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. However, 12-18 months of nothing but hop and pops and canopy training got me to my competition goal.
One of the biggest challenges I found re-integrating myself into regular jumping under a HP canopy is just how much faster we fly than normal parachutes. I fondly remember discussing it with Germain one day and his response was "that's why we have these wonderful things called brakes, to slow it all down."
Sure, johnny newguy can fly his pattern under his new pocket rocket on a few hop and pops, but then can be easily surprised when there are other faster/slower moving targets headed to the same place. They would be wise to take heed to the experienced HP pilots flying their patterns-and they will notice the canopies being flown in half+ brakes, to slow down, give more time to think and evaluate the 3D puzzle unfolding in front of and behind them.
I really don't know my point here, other than the incompatibility of HP canopies in normal traffic without the developed experience of how to make them all fly together nicely.
One of the biggest challenges I found re-integrating myself into regular jumping under a HP canopy is just how much faster we fly than normal parachutes. I fondly remember discussing it with Germain one day and his response was "that's why we have these wonderful things called brakes, to slow it all down."
Sure, johnny newguy can fly his pattern under his new pocket rocket on a few hop and pops, but then can be easily surprised when there are other faster/slower moving targets headed to the same place. They would be wise to take heed to the experienced HP pilots flying their patterns-and they will notice the canopies being flown in half+ brakes, to slow down, give more time to think and evaluate the 3D puzzle unfolding in front of and behind them.
I really don't know my point here, other than the incompatibility of HP canopies in normal traffic without the developed experience of how to make them all fly together nicely.
grimmie 176
QuoteQuotelet them swoop, who gives a shit....until USPA mandates wingloadings or something, people will continue to do it and and stubborn fuckers wont care who tells them what
Education is the answer not regulation. And if some don't want to learn its their life and their choice. Ever heard of this word called freedom? Its pretty cool!
The problem with freedom at the DZ is that it sometimes ends up killing the innocent. And some one has to come out and mop up the mess.
jaffo 0
In any aspect of life, it's always the people that haven't put the work in yet that want to shortcut to the top.
Take chances, just do it with all the information to make good decisions!!
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billvon 2,406
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>Education is the answer not regulation.
Education is the best possible answer for those who can accept it.
>And if some don't want to learn its their life and their choice.
I think Bob Holler would disagree.
Education is the best possible answer for those who can accept it.
>And if some don't want to learn its their life and their choice.
I think Bob Holler would disagree.
grimmie 176
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DocPop 1
QuoteWe need a permanent "I told you so" thread in the incidents forum.
It would list all the 100-300 jump wonders that fly canopies way to small for them. Especially the ones that have told the experts to mind their own business!!
What about all the 1,000 + jump people who hook themselves in?
There are lots of them but nobody says they were under the wrong wing.
Perhaps it is not such a good feeling to gloat about a more experienced jumper fucking up
"The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls."
~ CanuckInUSA
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kkeenan 13
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I think Bob Holler would disagree.
For those who don't know, Bob was an extremely competent, safety-conscious, jumper who was killed when he was hit from behind, while under canopy, by a reckless, over-confident swooper.
Kevin K.
grimmie 176
QuoteQuoteWe need a permanent "I told you so" thread in the incidents forum.
It would list all the 100-300 jump wonders that fly canopies way to small for them. Especially the ones that have told the experts to mind their own business!!
What about all the 1,000 + jump people who hook themselves in?
There are lots of them but nobody says they were under the wrong wing.
Perhaps it is not such a good feeling to gloat about a more experienced jumper fucking up
Good point. I have stated here before...
"Some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen at a drop zone was done by 1,000+ jump wonders".
QuoteQuoteit is never easy to be patient with the 9 out of 10 who will not listen. but, if the 10th changes their mind and saves themselves from an avoidable injury, it is worth a little aggravation.
Agreed. Unfortunately, we never hear about, or from, that 1 person who did change their mind. It'd be nice to occassionally hear from those folks. ...and I kinda suspect that there might be more than we think.
in person, they talk to me.
i have a safety-nazi briefing that everyone suffers through, but people have come up later and said, "i never thought of that - thanks".
the key is - don't spend 500 jumps learning the problems. just listen and consider.
"I see dead people. Walking around like regular people. They don't see each other. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're dead."
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