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beowulf 1
Depending on how close you are, you might not have time to pop both toggles and turn left. So I would go for a left riser. Either the front or the rear, most likely the front.
piisfish 135
In my neck of the woods, we avoid by the right. I would try to turn by any possible way, the first that I get... And try to not collide into a 3rd skydiver flying in the area (who knows, there might be)QuoteThe Sim indicates that both parties turn left? Is that correct? .
scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM
who are sick of picking up remains of 25 year old I-wannabe-a rockstar/pornstar/bankstar/swoopstar...
We all are. But yelling at people doesn't change that one bit, and more likely contributes to it.
Shah... We are taught to all turn right to avoid another canopy, not left.
We all are. But yelling at people doesn't change that one bit, and more likely contributes to it.
Shah... We are taught to all turn right to avoid another canopy, not left.
QuoteDepending on how close you are, you might not have time to pop both toggles and turn left. So I would go for a left riser. Either the front or the rear, most likely the front.
As previously discussed in this thread, the toggles are not the way to go for an avoidance manuver right after opening. If the brakes are stowed, leave them that way and use the risers. It takes time to get a secure grip on both toggles, and you don't have that time. If you rush, you increase your chances for having a problem with the unstowing the brakes, creating more problems for you. Even if you get a quick, solid grab, you might have an unrealted problem unstowing the brakes, and again, this just adds to your troubles.
In terms of front or rear riser, 100% of the time the rear risers are the way to go. Even on a highly loaded canopy, the response from the rear risers will be considerably quicker than the fronts.
Enacting change with the front riser requires the canopy to first accelerate and dive down in front of you before your weight can swing the canopy into a turn.
The rear risers work the other way. Pulling a rear riser slows the canopy and lets the forward momentum of your body carry it forward and swing out to effect change. The main difference is that your weight is already moving forward, and you simply stop the canopy to get youself out from under it, while the front riser manuver requires the canopy to first accelerate in front of you to get your weight out from under the canopy.
For every reason, the rear risers are the way to go when avoiding a collision while the brakes are still stowed. They are the quickest, easiest, sure-est grab, and they provide the quickest response to input.
That's the way I was taught, as soon as your canopy deploys grab rear risers and check for other traffic, use rear riser turns for collision avoidance, every single instructor or coach that I've dealt have used that scenario.
"The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo
"The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo
I'm 36, and I supervise a student program that licensed more than 100 students last year. Wanna try again?
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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.
You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.
I'm 36, and I supervise a student program that licensed more than 100 students last year. Wanna try again?
Thank you. Please substitute 36 for 50 in my statement. Now we can agree. And yes, I know about your student program. How many did you kill last year?
Thank you. Please substitute 36 for 50 in my statement. Now we can agree. And yes, I know about your student program. How many did you kill last year?
wmw999 2,123
Y'know, it's easy to see who diablopilot is, because he's not using a sockpuppet.
Wendy P.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
QuoteWanna try again?
No, he doesn't. He wants to hide behind a blank profile and make inflamatory remarks.
Unlike many other forums online, this one is different because of the small number of people, and the fact that we all have to go to an even smaller number of DZs to jump. The end result is that it's not hard for everyone to 'know' everyone else within two or three degrees of seperation.
I'm not even talking about internet conenctions, but there's a good chance that everyone here has at least one friend or aqquiantance in common with everyone else (at least within a given country). It's not like the GSXR motorcycle forum, where there are 50,000 GSXRs out there, and people can ride them wherver they want, there's very little expectation that any of those folks will have contact away from the internet.
The end result is this, when a guy won't be forthcoming about who he is, it usualyl means one of two things - either they're a non-jummper who doesn't have the qualifications they claim and are tying to hide that fact, or they're an asshole planning to act like an asshole and want to hide their identity.
In either case, it's generally a waste of time to listen to, or reply to, anything they have to say.
I hate to clutter this thread any more but what are you two talking about? My profile has no less information than Diablo's. Your point is completely imaginary.
Hellis 0
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Why take a new pass 2000 feet lower?
The clouds was at ~3500-5000 feet, and making a pass that is still higher than the clouds would do what?
See the clouds from a new angle and little closer?
Those clouds look big and wet and would not go away in the extra 5 min flighttime to drop 2000 feet.
Why not?? the ac has to drop altitude anyways, if there is an opprtunity to make a jump SAFELY at a lower altitude below the clouds then why waste all the Jet A1 burned already,,,and I do emphasize SAFELY, if the cloud base is below a safe jump altitude then buckle up and relax for the ride down. After seeing the video I would not have jumped, the first clue "I can't see shit" was enough for me, what transpired after that was a comedy of errors that could have killed both jumpers in the video. I've rode the plane down before because I didn't like the conditions and will do it again.One of the things I like about the DZ I jump at is if you fuck the jump and the DZO sees it or finds out about it you can be guaranteed that you'll hear about it and it won't be sugar coated and it won't be pretty and that's the way it should be. and to the fellow noobs posting on this site try reading more whats posted and thinking about what you read and if you have questions ask your instructors, watching the noobs here argue with the "old bitties" is like watching a 100 hour solo private pilot argue with Chuck Yeager how to fly airplanes, My old man used to tell me "STFU and listen , ya don't learn anything when your mouth is flapping".
Are you serious?
They exit at 10-12.000 feet, and the clouds are at 3500-5000 feet.
How would it be safer to exit at 8000 feet? You would still be above the clouds!
If you are talking in general and not in this specific incident, my response would be the same and look up before you enter the airplane.
Are you comfortable with those clouds?
If not, then stay on the ground!
Having people on the loads wanting extra passes and lower altitude because they lack common sense to look up before boarding the plane is not ok.
If you have, as your profile states, 3 years and 105 jumps, you should be able to make that call on the ground.
If you want to whimp out while you are in the plane, don't put that cost on everyone else to by asking for a new pass.
And I have no clue what the rest of your 'wall of text' post is about.
QuoteI hate to clutter this thread any more but what are you two talking about? My profile has no less information than Diablo's. Your point is completely imaginary
Hardly. He's always been forthcoming about who is, where he jumps, and what he does there. To my knowledge, you've never been forthcoming about any of that.
Beyond that, at least he makes an effort to be constructive with his posts, as opposed to hurling insults and asking 'how many students did you kill last year?'. Truth be told, if you had something intelligent to add, nobody would care about who you are or what your qualifiactions might be. The problem is that you don't have anything intelligent, or even civil to say, and you hide behind a blank profile on top of it all.
I've got quite an imagination, but it's not a factor in this case.
wmw999 2,123
The ShotterMG userid was created to comment anonymously on a thread about a TM.
Wendy P.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
Quote~He stayed frozen, afterward. He was too afraid to cut away~
Do you think it's possible that some people (who've never had to cut away before) could be scared to do so? (from the point of view that if the second chance fails aswell then it's over , in this case it could have been that he was more willing to chance a dodgy landing rather than go to reserve).
I remember seeing, I think it was UPT, that had a rig you could do an intentional cut away on - but what I'm getting at is that maybe it would be a good idea (on safety days, or whatever) to do an intentional cutaway so that, if the need ever arises) people are not so afraid to do so.
This could lead to - how reliable are reserve systems, and should an intentional cut away be part of the student learning process so people aren't afraid of it?
My thoughts might be crap - but, in this case, it certainly could be that he was afraid to cut away, when really he should have...
I imagine an intentional cutaway could be a good learning tool. However, I don't know if that would alleviate the fear. I have never had a cutaway, and I am not afraid of the cutaway so much as I am afraid of being without a backup. It is nice knowing you have a reserve. If you jump with 3 parachutes and cutaway the first, you're not down to your last chance and therefore it is not an accurate simulation. And I cannot imagine that an intentional cutaway of your main to test your only reserve is ever worth the risk to gain that little nugget of experience.
So you've never been on a jump where it's good when you take off and turned to shit when you've reached altitude and are on jump run?, I have been on loads where the winds were light and variable out of the north when we took off and out of the east or west gusting 15 - 20 by the time we're on jump run and the DZO radios this to the pilot.I've also been on loads where it was cloudy but jumpable and by the time we've reached altitude you can't see shit. It doesn't happen very often but it does happen, As for the wall of text learn how to fucking read, i find it fucking hilarious watching the 100 jump wonder noobs argue cameras and everything under the sun with the old bitties who have seen it all and heard it all and are a wealth of knowledge that new jumpers can learn from. In case you can't read let me explain, you learn more by listening than you do when your talking
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if compromising safety is wimping out then I'm glad I don't jump where you jump.
"The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo
Edited to add
if compromising safety is wimping out then I'm glad I don't jump where you jump.
"The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo
craigbey 0
Quote...you can tell the truth without being an asshole. Fear based learning does not work. It's not "touchy feely" to recognize that. It's just true. People learn much better in a respectful environment.
You're referring to a few guys who have directly or indirectly trained hundreds, perhaps thousands of skydivers. Do you really think they have been acting like assholes to their students? You know they would not have gotten very far if they had.
There are times when clear and direct communications are needed to get the message through. Doesn't make someone an asshole for doing it.
Disclaimer: I don't know any of these guys personally, so there is every chance that they really are living on Ramen noodles.
rifleman 61
"Apart from a very few instances in which the pilot physically threw the jumper out of the airplane for passing gas, bad spots are the fault and complete responsibility of the jumpers. Look down before you exit, and make corrections if necessary. If the pilot still does not fly the airplane to a safe exit point, it is your responsibility to land in the airplane"
The Parachute and its Pilot - p48
Brian Germain
The Parachute and its Pilot - p48
Brian Germain
Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation
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