lopullterri 0 #1 August 3, 2012 What would your reaction be, if someone who held a riggers rating and an instructors rating, packed you intentional line twists...TWICE...one time that caused you hard a cutaway? And then did it AGAIN (as a joke?) to a friend / customer? By the way, you were jumping a high performance canopy and barely cut away before the AAD fired. Apparently the 'person' just did not learn from his "jokes"?~"I am not afraid. I was born to do this"~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chemfx 0 #2 August 3, 2012 Don't let the asshole pack your chute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #3 August 3, 2012 Sounds like you need to let me quit packing for you...ask Mark, he'll tell you... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 3 #4 August 3, 2012 QuoteWhat would your reaction be, if someone who held a riggers rating and an instructors rating, packed you intentional line twists...TWICE...one time that caused you hard a cutaway? And then did it AGAIN (as a joke?) to a friend / customer? By the way, you were jumping a high performance canopy and barely cut away before the AAD fired. Apparently the 'person' just did not learn from his "jokes"? Learn to pack for yourself. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
trigger 0 #5 August 3, 2012 How do you know they packed you intentional L/twists. You jump a HP canopy so expect HP openings..CHOP WOOD COLLECT WATER. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #6 August 3, 2012 If known intentional, all of the above except ignore.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uberchris 0 #7 August 3, 2012 harden the f#ck up!!!gravity brings me down......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #8 August 3, 2012 General question: could they actually be arrested? (and whats the charge?)You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 3 #9 August 3, 2012 QuoteGeneral question: could they actually be arrested? (and whats the charge?) My guess would be 'not likely'."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #10 August 3, 2012 just pound in with your line twist. after that, they will feel bad and they won't do it again.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #11 August 3, 2012 That person must have a real good sense of humor, so they should totally see the humor of you beating them with a metal pipe. "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
boyfalldown 0 #12 August 3, 2012 Sparky for the win... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #13 August 3, 2012 QuoteHow do you know they packed you intentional L/twists. If this is the person I think is, it was her husband and he TOLD her they were intentional and it was something aling the lines of "you think you're rready to jump a HP canopy - you should be able to kick out of linetwists". Wanker."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #14 August 4, 2012 WOW thats sick! Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopullterri 0 #15 August 4, 2012 Yes...that is how it was. But I am curious what others would do...I, myself, did not realize how bad what he did was, until a skydiver friend recently said, "Oh my god, that so is F'd up". How stupid do I feel for allowing it? And apparently there are others out there who don't think this type of thing is a big deal?~"I am not afraid. I was born to do this"~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #16 August 4, 2012 QuoteYes...that is how it was. But I am curious what others would do...I, myself, did not realize how bad what he did was, until a skydiver friend recently said, "Oh my god, that so is F'd up". How stupid do I feel for allowing it? And apparently there are others out there who don't think this type of thing is a big deal? I'm surprised that anyone didn't know how stupid so many in our sport are. And jump numbers have nothing to do with it......My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #17 August 4, 2012 No, in my view, you were totally taken advantage of. Nobody should ever fuck with your gear without both your knkowledge and your permission, especially if it is to make it less effective than it was designed to be. After all, our rigs are all we have to save our lives - it is literally that serious. Totally unforgiveable."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #18 August 4, 2012 Divorceyou can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 6 #19 August 4, 2012 Quote No, in my view, you were totally taken advantage of. Nobody should ever fuck with your gear without both your knowledge and your permission, especially if it is to make it less effective than it was designed to be. After all, our rigs are all we have to save our lives - it is literally that serious. Totally unforgiveable. +1 That whole scenario is pretty fuck up, kinda says something not real flattering about the person who would do that...TO anybody! What's next, teaching how to down-shift by cutting the cars brake lines? If I were she, I'd ask him if the name Jon Bobbit rings a bell... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopullterri 0 #20 August 4, 2012 Honestly...the Divorce is in the works. But what gets me is the fact that even though I have eyewitnesses to the first time (he admitted doing it) and eye witnesses to the time he did it to a customer / previous friend of mine (also causing a cutaway). Yet he has TONS of supporters who have never even met me...and they are even helping him hide finances. I have had skydivers tell me to let it go because he is a good guy. (Yet...they have never lived with him). Only recently has someone encouraged me to do something about it. This is an honest "opinion seeking" poll and I do appreciate everyone's opinions...even the screwed up ones, because it does, after all, prove what I have said. He has skydivers SUPPORTING him on this and some other crazy stuff. It boggles the mind. I have said it before and I will say it again. People disappoint the hell out of me on a daily basis.~"I am not afraid. I was born to do this"~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #21 August 4, 2012 wow. since your poll is seeking opinions, i'll chime in i bet it WAS a rush....but would NOT ignore it.and i wouldn't wanna see ANY woman get hurt so i'd suggest that you find a few guys who could "beat the crap outta him"...!!! FOR you....i would press for him to absorb the Co$t of the new reserve repack... ( AND any other lost or unretrieved gear from the chop...) and then be sure to have the repack DONE by his competitor...i would threaten to "have them arrested" ... but stop short of doing so on impulse.... Tuck that move, in your back pocket for future leverage... check on local statute of limitations...I think i would report 'em to USPA,,, but only after a fair assessment of his past behavior.... If he's done screwy things in the past,,or unsafe things that were laughed off, or not addressed , could this be the last straw??? Depending on his level of remorse, and willingness to make restitution,, i'd consider your last choice.. FAA.Anyone who intentionally packs line twists, sounds like a very poor rigger , to me...even IF they try to excuse it away,, as "presenting a Learning opportunity"... if THAT is the case then IMHO he is a Lousey Instructor TOO!!!>>>good luck jmy A 3914 D 12122 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #22 August 4, 2012 It's a truly fucked up thing to do. In the same vein - if you are barely making the cutaway before an AAD fires, then you do not possess the appropriate knowledge or skill to be jumping a canopy that reacts that badly to line twists. Sorry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #23 August 5, 2012 General question - would the FAA pull a rigger's ticket for intentionally packing a mal? I assume they would. That might be suitable, and righteous, recompense for such douchebaggery."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopullterri 0 #24 August 5, 2012 It spun up so fast and hard that I had a hard time getting my hand to the handle due to g forces...then the one cable did not clear...had to pull it out by hand, So I would say that since I did deal with all of that...I was qualified.~"I am not afraid. I was born to do this"~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParaHog 0 #25 August 5, 2012 Quotethen the one cable did not clear...had to pull it out by hand That's nothing that the rigger can do to it. It's all a matter of the length of the cable running back to the riser release, and the length of your arm. If your arm is too short when pulling downward to get the cables clear of the end of the channel, then sweep your arm back outward like you're going into a spread-eagle position again. That'll create the extra distance needed to clear the cable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
