happythoughts 0 #26 August 16, 2004 QuoteKind of new here. What is "Landing a Mr. Bill"? Mr. Bill is named for the old Saturday Night Claymation series figure "Mr. Bill". Mr. Bill always said "Oh, noooo" In skydiving, two people exit linked and one dumps their canopy sub-terminal, the other tries to hang on. Then, after a while, the second person drops off and deploys. In this case, the second person stood on the shoulders of the first until 3 feet off the ground, then jumped off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #27 August 16, 2004 QuoteWhat size and model of canopy and how much was to total suspended weight? I think it was a 210, model and weight unknown (by me).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #28 August 16, 2004 I don't think it's as unusual as many of you seem to think... The first one I can remember seeing was probably Jimmy Tyler on his first chuteless jump when he flew over to another jumper and hooked onto his harness with B12 snaps. They both landed under a single round canopy. Not too many years ago this one done on a jump from the New River Gorge Bridge at bridge day... I did a lot of mr. bill's when they first started coming out. The Golden Knights claimed to have successfully done them at terminal velocity (using Unit III's I believe). It's not surprising that many people tried this sort of thing back then.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 4 #29 August 16, 2004 QuoteNot too many years ago this one done on a jump from the New River Gorge Bridge at bridge day... I thought the one at bridge day was just a girl who was too scared to let go it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #30 August 16, 2004 QuoteI heard John King (the packer) and McBain talking about doing it at LP, Yep. One of the single dumbest things I've ever seen. Nice video, but stupid. Not a violation of the FAR's as both jumpers were wearing apropriately rated equipment for sport jumping, but a BSR violation for sure for the jumper who landed un-opened.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #31 August 16, 2004 QuoteMcDeath McDivot McCrater McIdiot McDumb McNottalkingtoMathias One question......What's a "Hay Truck"? Team Crater in the house! (Aftyer they figgure out the door knob....---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #32 August 16, 2004 I don't know the jumpers in question, but is it really just Stoo-piditi? I read the title of the thread "Landing a Mr. Bill." and I thought: "Woa! Cool! Someone landed a Mr. Bill!" Not: "Woa! Stupid! Some idiot landed a Mr. Bill!" I would not be opposed to trying this out with someone I trusted. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #33 August 16, 2004 QuoteI would not be opposed to trying this out with someone I trusted. No. STOP. Absolutely not. NO. Doing really weird stuff like this or a McConkle (sp?) takes three things: 1. A boatload of forethought. 2. Two boatloads of experience. 3. Large brass cajones. With all three, it is still NOT recommended for ANYONE. Anyone. It is a bad idea. People don't (or shouldn't) say, "I've never tried BASE, I'll just go do it." They shouldn't do that with any other part of the sport either. Even with advice and skill, some stuff is still a bad idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #34 August 16, 2004 I watched the last about 300 feet of it from the BirdMan tent sitting in a chair. I watched slack-jawed as John stood on the other guy's shoulders at around 150 feet and was hanging onto what appeared to be either the B or C lines of the pilot's canopy. He was going "woo hoo, woo hoo!" I didn't see the dismount since they flew down past the organizer tent, but by all accounts the landing was uneventful. John had his packing tent set up right behind my RV at the convention. They did not appear to be coming in at any break-neck speed, even under the 210 canopy. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #35 August 16, 2004 Chuck, the pilot in this case has around a hundred jumps, I'm figuring, cause he had less than a hundred just a short while ago when asking how he could go about getting a sub-100 Velocity/similar. When I suggested he might take just a few hundred jumps before moving to the swoop tour he asked me where he would be allowed to do what he wanted, and I told him. (Definitely not BAS) I said "Dude, you could die." He replied "I want to die!" He hasn't connected that his complete disregard for his own safety is complete disregard for everyone else in the air's as well. I'm thinking the mixed reactions of Stupid/Cool here will result in more attempts. After all the effort made to make our containers and canopies safe, we've still got an element that insists on making skydiving even more death-defying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #36 August 16, 2004 I remember it being done before, back in the early eighties. Didn't see it in person, but some pics were floating around. Any historians got anything on that? Think there were some minor injuries involved. Looked dicey back then, looks dicey today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fields 0 #37 August 16, 2004 I know McBain obtained a PD 210 7-cell for the purpose of landing a Mr Bill. I don't know if that was what they used."And the sky is blue and righteous in every direction" Survivor Chuck Palahniuk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildWilly 0 #38 August 17, 2004 I'm sure we'll be reading about this idiot in the incidents forum pretty soon.growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #39 August 17, 2004 QuoteI didn't see the dismount since they flew down past the organizer tent, but by all accounts the landing was uneventful. About 15 feet off the ground, he grabbed the riser covers and hung down. When the canopy pilots feet were 3-4 feet off the ground, he let go with a little forward momentum and did a PLF/forward roll. I was in the landing area watching as they turned on final. Less than 2 minutes before, a guy made a crosswinded landing and cut off another jumper. The other jumper was forced to make a crosswind landing also. If they had landed 90 seconds earlier, it would have been extremely difficult to land crosswind that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #40 August 17, 2004 Might be Scotty Carbone long lost son! How about that....Only 100 jumps and the guy lands a Mr. Bill! Right in front of the FAA guys! People will talk about that for years! "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #41 August 17, 2004 Quote don't think it's as unusual as many of you seem to think... The first one I can remember seeing was probably Jimmy Tyler on his first chuteless jump when he flew over to another jumper and hooked onto his harness with B12 snaps. They both landed under a single round canopy. The canopy they used was a Raven IV, 266 sq. ft., with Jimmy suspended 12 feet below Bill Parsons. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nael 0 #42 August 17, 2004 QuoteI would not be opposed to trying this out with someone I trusted. Wow. Surely you cant be serious! I have about 1/8 the number of jumps you do and I can see so many reasons why this is not a good idea! There are people here with thousands of jumps saying its not a good idea, but you still want to try it - if you trust the other jumper? I hope I dont have to read about you in the incidents forum after you get to 100' AGL and lose your grip. www.TerminalSports.com.auAustralia's largest skydive gear store Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #43 August 17, 2004 But it sure was sad to see so many people running up to them telling them how cool it was. I think the group over at the freefly tent was one of the only groups to verbally express to them that they are candidates for the "dumbass of the year" award. Stupid stunt with stupidly low experience.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gordy 0 #44 August 17, 2004 I agree.... whats the rush to kill yourself.... sport has inherent dangers that we all accept, generally we all do our best to minimise them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #45 August 17, 2004 QuoteBut it sure was sad to see so many people running up to them telling them how cool it was. I think the group over at the freefly tent was one of the only groups to verbally express to them that they are candidates for the "dumbass of the year" award. Stupid stunt with stupidly low experience. I'd vote for them for the "dumbass of the decade" award. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,853 #46 August 17, 2004 QuoteQuoteBut it sure was sad to see so many people running up to them telling them how cool it was. I think the group over at the freefly tent was one of the only groups to verbally express to them that they are candidates for the "dumbass of the year" award. Stupid stunt with stupidly low experience. I'd vote for them for the "dumbass of the decade" award. It's just a matter of degree. I expect you have whuffo friends who consider you a dumbass for skydiving at all. I think they would have shown better judgement to land it in a less crowded area, though.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #47 August 17, 2004 QuoteIt's just a matter of degree. I expect you have whuffo friends who consider you a dumbass for skydiving at all. You're right. I do have many friends who think I'm nuts. I'm also all about pushing the envelope and I do and I love it. However, I just don't see what happened as being something productive to the sport and something to encourage others to do. Common sense comes into play with everything and I dare say there's a very high probablility that someone will die attempting to do what they did and it will reflect very negatively on us as a whole. Possibly leading to further restriction rather than more freedom. QuoteI think they would have shown better judgement to land it in a less crowded area, though. Very true! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WrongWay 0 #48 August 17, 2004 QuoteChuck, the pilot in this case has around a hundred jumps, I'm figuring, cause he had less than a hundred just a short while ago when asking how he could go about getting a sub-100 Velocity/similar. Stupid fuck. Quote When I suggested he might take just a few hundred jumps before moving to the swoop tour he asked me where he would be allowed to do what he wanted, and I told him. (Definitely not BAS) Once again, stupid fuck. Quote I said "Dude, you could die." He replied "I want to die!" He hasn't connected that his complete disregard for his own safety is complete disregard for everyone else in the air's as well. For that comment, he should be grounded. Period. No dropzone needs a possibly suicidal guy in the air, let alone a hotshot 100 jump chump who makes stupid ass decisions like that and disregards everyone else's safety just as much as his own. Somebody pull this guy's silver before he gets on a plane this weekend. Wrong Way D #27371 Mal Manera Rodriguez Cajun Chicken Ø Hellfish #451 The wiser wolf prevails. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #49 August 17, 2004 Just to play devils advocate. Landing a VX 39? Insane?Dangerous? Landing on the Back of a Speeding motorcycle?Stupid? Insane? Lighting your canopy on fire with a flare gun? Stupid Insane? Jumping from a Plane without a parachute Stupid? Insane? Docking and climbing into as plane from Free Fall? Stupid? Insane? Swooping down a mountain at break neck speeds? Stupid? Insane? Shall I go on? This is a Daredevil Sport.If this had been done by the folks that made the aforementioned jumps would everyone still be saying the same.... Again just playing Devils Advocate... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #50 August 17, 2004 QuoteFor that comment, he should be grounded. Period. No dropzone needs a possibly suicidal guy in the air, let alone a hotshot 100 jump chump who makes stupid ass decisions like that and disregards everyone else's safety just as much as his own. Somebody pull this guy's silver before he gets on a plane this weekend. Somebody just hand him a loaded pistol. There's easier and less expensive ways of going about what he's trying to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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