Abortion rights win in Ohio

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

Hi folks,

Hannity:   trying to “scare” women voters

Hell yes, women are scared.  And, that is exactly why they are voting to support the right to an abortion.

Sean Hannity: Democrats trying to ‘scare women’ on abortion | The Hill

Jerry Baumchen

[ryoder 1,384]

2 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Hannity:   trying to “scare” women voters

Hell yes, women are scared.  And, that is exactly why they are voting to support the right to an abortion.

Sean Hannity: Democrats trying to ‘scare women’ on abortion | The Hill

Jerry Baumchen

Fox News host Sean Hannity accused Democrats of trying to “scare” women voters into thinking Republicans want a nationwide ban on abortion, which he said contributed to GOP losses in Tuesday night’s elections.

Now where would anyone get that idea?

AP: GOP’s Graham unveils nationwide abortion ban after 15 weeks

[gowlerk 1,914]

47 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hannity:   trying to “scare” women voters

Hell yes, women are scared.  And, that is exactly why they are voting to support the right to an abortion.

I suggest that the US take a different approach to lowering its abortion rate. Try the Canadian approach. For decades now we have things that both sides want. 25% fewer abortions per woman, and absolutely no law about it. 

[wolfriverjoe 1,341]

9 hours ago, gowlerk said:

I suggest that the US take a different approach to lowering its abortion rate. Try the Canadian approach. For decades now we have things that both sides want. 25% fewer abortions per woman, and absolutely no law about it. 

Please. They don't care about 'the children' or about 'life being sacred'.

They care about controlling women. 

[normiss 622]

18 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

In time. Jesus is coming soon.

Maranatha

Bless your heart.

 

Somebody better get a towel...just in case.

[billvon 2,400]

Ol' Rick Santorum accidentally talks about republican fears out loud: "You put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote. It was a secret sauce for disaster in Ohio. I don't know what they were thinking, but that's why, thank goodness, most of the states in this country don't allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracy is not the way to run a country."

O no!  Not DEMOCRACY!  With YOUNG PEOPLE in it!  How will the old white protestant straight guys keep control if we give the young voters a VOTE?

[gowlerk 1,914]

7 hours ago, billvon said:

I don't know what they were thinking, but that's why, thank goodness, most of the states in this country don't allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracy is not the way to run a country."

He is not wrong about that. Even though in this case the outcome corrects an abuse of power.

[kallend 1,625]

Senator J.D. Vance (R, Ohio) is now urging a national Republican position on abortion in the form of a 15-week ban.

Seems he's identified a winning issue for his party in 2024.

[SkyDekker 1,123]

8 hours ago, gowlerk said:

He is not wrong about that. Even though in this case the outcome corrects an abuse of power.

Agreed. The phrase wil be taken out of context, like it has already here, and used against him. He should have known better, but oppression by majority, otherwise known as pure democracy, is not a way to run a country.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

17 hours ago, billvon said:

Ol' Rick Santorum accidentally talks about republican fears out loud: "You put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote. It was a secret sauce for disaster in Ohio. I don't know what they were thinking, but that's why, thank goodness, most of the states in this country don't allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracy is not the way to run a country."

O no!  Not DEMOCRACY!  With YOUNG PEOPLE in it!  How will the old white protestant straight guys keep control if we give the young voters a VOTE?

Hi Bill,

I mean, look at the disaster that happened when we gave the vote to women.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[jakee 1,255]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Agreed. The phrase wil be taken out of context, like it has already here, and used against him. He should have known better, but oppression by majority, otherwise known as pure democracy, is not a way to run a country.

Sure, but you can say the same about an unfettered representative democracy. Politicians are more than capable of oppressing minorities if they’re allowed to. 
 

It’s a constitution and an independent judiciary that stops oppression by the majority from happening. 

[wmw999 2,123]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

Sure, but you can say the same about an unfettered representative democracy. Politicians are more than capable of oppressing minorities if they’re allowed to. 
 

It’s a constitution and an independent judiciary that stops oppression by the majority from happening. 

This. It’s why people have to understand that a Constitution is just the rules for a game (a country), and trying to change the rules is like trying to hide an attractive card in poker  

Wendy P. 

[kallend 1,625]

8 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Agreed. The phrase wil be taken out of context, like it has already here, and used against him. He should have known better, but oppression by majority, otherwise known as pure democracy, is not a way to run a country.

Is oppression by a minority somehow preferable?

[JoeWeber 2,299]

38 minutes ago, kallend said:

Is oppression by a minority somehow preferable?

That depends on who you're asking Professor, but you already knew that.

[kallend 1,625]

So the Ohio GOP believes in tyrrany of the minority:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/11/ohio-republicans-move-to-exclude-judges-interpreting-abortion-rights-law

[SkyDekker 1,123]

On 11/10/2023 at 1:44 PM, jakee said:

It’s a constitution and an independent judiciary that stops oppression by the majority from happening. 

You mean the constitution that doesn't make it a pure democracy? Yes, having a constitution that sets up your country to not be a pure democracy is one of the mitigating factors of a pure democracy.

[SkyDekker 1,123]

On 11/10/2023 at 7:41 PM, kallend said:

Is oppression by a minority somehow preferable?

No, trying to set up a system that avoids both extremes is generally preferable. Weird question really.

[jakee 1,255]

18 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

You mean the constitution that doesn't make it a pure democracy? Yes, having a constitution that sets up your country to not be a pure democracy is one of the mitigating factors of a pure democracy.

Sure, but in the context of the statement of the politician in question I thought we were contrasting people voting for representatives vs people voting directly on policy - not whether there should be constitutional limits on either system. 
 

In fact it would be a very odd way to interpret his words as a statement on whether constitutional limits should exist given that the vote he was talking about was for a constitutional limit on government power. The existence of constitutional limits is implicit in his statement and the entire conversation that follows.

Edited November 14, 2023 by jakee

[kallend 1,625]

13 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

No, trying to set up a system that avoids both extremes is generally preferable. Weird question really.

Not really.  We have a system right now that is giving a few extreme members of the House an influence way out of proportion to their support in the population.  We had executive orders from presidents with fewer votes than their opponents thanks to an Electoral College designed to give outsized power to states with small populations.  We have a single senator from a small state blocking dozens, maybe hundreds, of military appointments.  We have state houses with gerrymandered districts that create policies out of line with the wishes of a majority of the population.

Edited November 14, 2023 by kallend

[billvon 2,400]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Sure, but in the context of the statement of the politician in question I thought we were contrasting people voting for representatives vs people voting directly on policy - not whether there should be constitutional limits on either system. 

Yep.  He wa also complaining about the high voter turnout because that tends to draw more young people - and young people don't vote for republicans.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

33 minutes ago, billvon said:

Yep.  He wa also complaining about the high voter turnout because that tends to draw more young people - and young people don't vote for republicans.

Hi Bill,

IMO they vote with their heart & not their wallet.

Jerry Baumchen

[wmw999 2,123]

2 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi Bill,

IMO they vote with their heart & not their wallet.

Jerry Baumchen

That’s because some of them haven’t had enough time to understand that sometimes the wallet influences the heart. No family, children — it’s easier to go for broke. Both metaphorically and literally

Wendy P. 

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

Hi folks,

Ya gotta luv it:  selling condoms with the faces of the Supreme Court Justices on them

A Satanic Abortion Clinic Named After The Mother Of Supreme Court Justice Alito Is Open in New Mexico (msn.com)

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 1,625]

How sad that a woman has to go to court in order to have control of her own body.

Texas: land of the not-so-free

https://apnews.com/article/texas-abortion-roe-568c09dc8794c341095189362ece9004

Edited December 7, 2023 by kallend

[jakee 1,255]

4 minutes ago, kallend said:

How sad that a woman has to go to court in order to have control of her own body.

Texas: land of the not-so-free

https://apnews.com/article/texas-abortion-roe-568c09dc8794c341095189362ece9004

The new Right on both sides of the pond: cruelty for the sake of cruelty.