wilcox 0 #1 March 10, 2006 What is your plan for water landings when it comes to which direction to land? Which factors have you considered? Wind? Moving water? Other things? Which landing directions give the smallest risk of entanglement with the main in different scenarios that you have thought of? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dzjohn 0 #2 March 10, 2006 I was taught by my instructor to always fly towards land Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #3 March 10, 2006 Ive landed into a lake. My direction was into the wind and I have not cut my main away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fcajump 164 #4 March 10, 2006 Just as with other out-landings, consider the following: - obstacle avoidance / open area on land - don't hit the tractor / power line crossing the field on water - don't hit the bridge / power line crossing the river - wind line on land - into the wind slows your ground speed and helps collapse your canopy behind you on water - into the wind slows your ground... er... water speed and helps collapse your canopy behind you - near (but not ON) avenues or individuals of assistance (not forgetting obstacle avoidance) on land - near a road or house (phone) on water - near shore or a boat - REMEMBER TO be ready to PLF (I've boated on some very large lakes/rivers that were only 1-2 feet deep in places.) / REMEMBER TO do all the other things learned in your live water jump training. - fast moving water... here you might open a lively debate as to whether during your landing you would be dragged back under the canopy, and how the you and the canopy could be entangled in the currents... but the specific examples get very involved and I doubt that a single solution provided here could address all possible situations. Maybe a good general guess would be land across the flow. Just my thoughts... JimAlways remember that some clouds are harder than others... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #5 March 10, 2006 Fly as close to land as you possibly can and then land INTO THE WIND. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 613 #6 March 10, 2006 If you land into the wind, the wind will blow the canopy behind you, minimizing chances of entanglement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,334 #7 March 10, 2006 Quoteminimizing chances of entanglementIt also means you're more likely to be face up in the water rather than face down. I breathe better that way. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #8 March 10, 2006 Most answers to such questions can be found in the SIM... Per 2006 SIM • section four • page 28 Water 1. Refer to the USPA BSRs for equipment requirements on jumps near water, but many drop zones have waivers on file. 2. Procedure for an unintentional water landing: a. Inflate the flotation device (if available). b. Disconnect the chest strap (this may require taking your hands out of the steering toggles first). c. Steer into the wind. d. Enter the water with lungs full of air. e. Prepare for a PLF; since the depth is unknown. f. Flare the parachute to half brakes at ten feet above the water (may be difficult to judge) g. Dive deep and swim out from under the collapsed canopy. h. Take a deep, full breath at every opportunity. i. Release or slide off the leg straps and swim carefully away to avoid entangling in the suspension lines. Many skydivers have amendments and modifications to this protocol or have an alternate method incorporated in their personal procedures for varying situations contradictory the information contained in the SIM. Keep in mind that the SIM has been developed for many years and the knowledge contained therein is derived from decades of experience and millions of skydives but may still contain some information that may be considered by some authority apocryphal in nature. That being said I may not utilize every piece of information in the SIM but for the most part the vast majority of its information forms much of the basis for the foundation of safe skydiving practices that I choose to make my own. Make it a great day...Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #9 March 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteminimizing chances of entanglementIt also means you're more likely to be face up in the water rather than face down. I breathe better that way. Freak. Why don't you just absorb oxygen through your pores like the rest of us skydivers? ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ernokaikkonen 0 #10 March 11, 2006 QuoteWhy don't you just absorb oxygen through your pores like the rest of us skydivers? Are you serious?? Everybody knows that you can only do that at freefall speeds. Many people have drowned going through clouds, what do you think will happen if you try to pore-breathe while immersed in water? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kelly 0 #11 March 26, 2006 Where is Shark? He just did a wonderful water training class for a bunch of us at Elsinore last week. ~Kel Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 4 #12 March 27, 2006 QuoteWhere is Shark? He just did a wonderful water training class for a bunch of us at Elsinore last week. ~Kel oh why must you rub that in? darn work!!CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #13 March 28, 2006 Hmmm, Inflate flotation Then dive deep. Not sure who came up with this but I see the dive deep as unnecessary. A dry parachute will not saturate very quickly in a lake. Even then it won't necessarily do much. If it blows behind you are you now pulling it over (you under, your not going to pull it very far) you and coming up under when other wise you wouldn't? I advocate calmly lifting it off and moving to the side. When doing water training in a pool the first guy has it easy. The jumpsuit and parachute are dry. A wet parachute landing on you is a lot different from a dry one. I always have the person I like most go first. Actually I have the one that needs the training the least (most aware) go first. I also have people get out of a jumpsuit. This may or may not be necessary but I have them do it for a reason. Almost invariably the first guy gets out of the rig, then unzips the jumpsuit and starts to peel it off, without undoing the ankle velcro. The jumpsuit turns inside out and then it's very, very difficult to get to the velcro to get it off. The only person I almost had to rescue was in this situation. It's a lesson that has to be seen to be learned. Then everybody else knows not to do this. All bets are off on a river landing. First you ought to be able to miss it. But the current scares me a lot. I'd land what ever direction gets the canopy down stream of me. If your going fast and stop in the water suddenly that might be down river with the canopy going ahead of you. It might be up river if you have a bigger canopy and will be able to stop your airspeed. We were asked to do a demo once into a river. Not a fast river but certainly flowing well. I didn't even want to consider it. Not worth the risk.I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZigZagMarquis 9 #14 March 29, 2006 Up-post... AFFI and CMan pertty much said it. I'm glad I got into the sport after you had to do an actual water jump. Now a-days its just wet-training with some old rig in a swimming pool. Some of the old grey hairs around the DZ still tell stoies about doing their "water jumps" under old T10s into the big pond at the Caliofornia City Colf Course... even so, I think the procedure there post landing was pretty much "Stand Up"... as the stories go, most of the water was only waist to chest deep. Anyway, I suppose one day the USPA will even drop the actual night jumps requirement for getting a D-License and all the newbies will have to do is go into a dark room with their rig on and still be able to find their handles... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schoenauer 0 #15 March 30, 2006 Landing in water has a few variations from what I have been reading on this thread. So I will commence with my two cents about unintentional water landings. The idea of while in the water, diving deep, is kind of a misnomer, because the objective is to swim out of and away from your gear. One way to do this is to swimming down, enough to get out of the harness, swim over to get clear from the gear and up to the surface. A question I have people should think about is, which would be easier and faster to do. Swim out of the harness while keeping your head above water, or swimming down and out of the harness? One area I am surprised about the SIM does not address is a weights water landing. If a skydiver is jumping with weights on at a DZ that is within one mile of a body of water, doesn’t it make sense that the weights should be worn outside of the jump suit? This is so the weights can be dumped easily before landing in the water.Memento Mori Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schoenauer 0 #16 March 31, 2006 One area I am surprised about the SIM does not address is a weights water landing".*** It should read "one area I am surprised about the SIM that does not address is wearing weights and water landings."Memento Mori Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites