Post trump Legal Actions, Including his Enablers

[jakee 1,255]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Trump is currently arguing that his case in Georgia should be thrown out, because if they can include him in a RICO case along with lawyers of his, then you had to include "millions of people throughout the country” who believed election fraud had taken place, and were working toward the same goal as Trump and his lieutenants.

His team also said that there are lots of bank robbers out there, “but the mere fact that they all rob banks and have the same goal and many of the same methods of operation, does not mean that all American bank robbers constitute one RICO enterprise, despite the fact that they are people who commit the same crime, for the same reason."

Lol, they're arguing that believing there was fraud is the same as entering into a criminal conspiracy taking active steps to overthrow the government?

Then they're actually, unintentionally, arguing that everyone who ever dreamed of robbing a bank is in fact a bank robber who should be prosecuted?

[gowlerk 1,912]

2 hours ago, normiss said:

Santos is out, becoming yet another historic bad guy

I never believed it would happen.

[billvon 2,400]

10 minutes ago, jakee said:

Then they're actually, unintentionally, arguing that everyone who ever dreamed of robbing a bank is in fact a bank robber who should be prosecuted?

More that anyone who participates in robbing a bank should be prosecuted, and that they define "participation" as tweeting that banks are evil and should give everyone their money back.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

Hi folks,

Looks like the noose is getting tighter:  the three-judge panel found that Mr Trump was not acting in an official role when he made the remarks.

Court rules Donald Trump can be sued for allegedly inciting Capitol riot (bbc.com)

How sweet it is.

Jerry Baumchen

[normiss 622]

Judge Arthur Engoron has set closing arguments in Trump's civil fraud trial for January 11th, 2024 at 10 AM EST.

 

This is the one he's already been found liable for? The judge just needs to decide the value of his penalties?

It's a challenge to keep up with a felony criminal defendant in multiple cases with 91 felony charges.

Jebus Howard Christ. What a criminal enterprise.

[obelixtim 100]

On 11/28/2023 at 12:17 PM, billvon said:

Poor John Eastman, a co-conspirator of Trump's who STILL claims Trump won the election, is having trouble paying his legal bills!   He recently claimed that he has only been able to fundraise "about a third of what we've already incurred" and he is still spending, spending, spending.  The self-proclaimed "“legal architect" of Trump's attempt to subvert the election has even had to raid his wife's life savings.  But he is “trying very hard not to completely deplete my wife's retirement fund” so . . . kudos?  I guess?  For trying not to take it all?

In what I am sure is completely unrelated news, a recent survey found that the majority of single men who are Trump supporters are concerned that they will not be able to find partners of the opposite sex due to ideological differences.

Thats great. They really shouldn't breed.

[kallend 1,623]

On 12/1/2023 at 12:31 PM, jakee said:

Lol, they're arguing that believing there was fraud is the same as entering into a criminal conspiracy taking active steps to overthrow the government?

Then they're actually, unintentionally, arguing that everyone who ever dreamed of robbing a bank is in fact a bank robber who should be prosecuted?

Matthew 5:27-28 would support that interpretation.

[jakee 1,255]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Matthew 5:27-28 would support that interpretation.

That figures, with these faux pious narcissists. Jeffrey Clark and Scott Perry’s texts are hilarious. Clark hatched a plan to take advantage of the election lies to get himself appointed to one of the most powerful positions in the Executive branch - and in return corruptly and criminally abuse that power to enable a coup to overturn a legitimate election - and they told themselves it was simply God’s plan happening to them. 
 

How arrogant can you get?

[kallend 1,623]

Federal prosecutors on Tuesday accused former president Donald Trump of a long pattern of lying about elections and encouraging violence, saying he “sent” supporters on Jan. 6, 2021 to criminally block the election results.

In a new court filing, prosecutors working for special counsel Jack Smith went further than in their August indictment in attempting to tie him to that day’s violence, saying they intended to introduce evidence of his other acts both before the November 2020 presidential election and subsequent alleged threats to establish his motive, intent and preparation for subverting its legitimate results.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/05/trump-jan-6-violence-election-obstruction/

 

Trump lies?  Oh the humanity!

[winsor 186]

4 hours ago, kallend said:

Federal prosecutors on Tuesday accused former president Donald Trump of a long pattern of lying about elections and encouraging violence, saying he “sent” supporters on Jan. 6, 2021 to criminally block the election results.

In a new court filing, prosecutors working for special counsel Jack Smith went further than in their August indictment in attempting to tie him to that day’s violence, saying they intended to introduce evidence of his other acts both before the November 2020 presidential election and subsequent alleged threats to establish his motive, intent and preparation for subverting its legitimate results.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/05/trump-jan-6-violence-election-obstruction/

 

Trump lies?  Oh the humanity!

Trump is incapable of lying.  In order to lie, one must have some concept of truth and falsehood, and I have seen nothing to indicate that Trump can conceive of such abstractions.

He blurts out whatever crosses his mind, with no concern one way or another regarding its veracity.

You give him way too much credit.

[kallend 1,623]

I missed this at the time due to being on a boat and off grid:

 Judge Tanya  Chutkan on Friday issued a stunning rebuke to Trump, rejecting his motion to dismiss his Jan. 6, 2021, charges on absolute immunity and other specious constitutional grounds. The ruling came just hours after an appellate court rejected Trump’s immunity claim in a parallel civil case.

 In dispensing with Trump’s criminal immunity claim, Chutkan held emphatically, “The Constitution’s text, structure, and history do not support that contention. No court — or any other branch of government — has ever accepted it. And this court will not so hold. Whatever immunities a sitting President may enjoy, the United States has only one Chief Executive at a time, and that position does not confer a lifelong ‘get-out-of-jail-free’ pass.” She added, “Former Presidents enjoy no special conditions on their federal criminal liability. Defendant may be subject to federal investigation, indictment, prosecution, conviction, and punishment for any criminal acts undertaken while in office.”

[kallend 1,623]

And another thing:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/06/wisconsin-trump-fake-electors-lawsuit/

Wisconsin Trump (fake) electors settle lawsuit, agree Biden won in 2020

[ryoder 1,384]

Some fake electors enter the Finding Out phase:

6 pro-Trump ‘fake electors’ indicted by Nevada grand jury

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

Hi folks,

Re:  "The enemies and traitors of America, both foreign and domestic, must be held accountable. And they will. There must be long prison terms, while execution is the just punishment for the ringleaders of this coup."

Former police chief turned yoga teacher sentenced to X years over Jan. 6 riot : NPR

Jeez, I thought they were here to Serve & Protect.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[billvon 2,400]

7 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Jeez, I thought they were here to Serve & Protect.

 

He is!  He is protecting all those poor, poor kids who Hilary Clinton was sex trafficking and human-sacrificing in the basement of that pizza place in DC.  Won't someone think of the children?

[billvon 2,400]

Today Trump loses twice.

First off he lost his bid to get rid of the gag order, so he can more freely threaten the families of the clerks in the courtroom of his trial.  Per the appellate court, "the Gag Order is narrow, limited to prohibiting solely statements regarding the court's staff" and thus does not unduly limit his right to speak his mind.

He also lost his attempt to block the second defamation trial for the woman he raped.  Trump argued that he had "presidential immunity" from any civil lawsuit.  The appeals court was not amused by his attempt to escape culpability.

The second one is particularly sad in that Trump had ALREADY been found guilty of sexual assault and slander, and he immediately strutted onto a nearby stage and claimed (again) that he never met her and she was a liar.  Given that there is now a legal decision that he did in fact rape her, she will have an open-and-shut case for the second trial.

And all he had to do to completely avoid both cases was to keep his mouth shut.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

32 minutes ago, billvon said:

Today Trump loses twice.

First off he lost his bid to get rid of the gag order, so he can more freely threaten the families of the clerks in the courtroom of his trial.  Per the appellate court, "the Gag Order is narrow, limited to prohibiting solely statements regarding the court's staff" and thus does not unduly limit his right to speak his mind.

He also lost his attempt to block the second defamation trial for the woman he raped.  Trump argued that he had "presidential immunity" from any civil lawsuit.  The appeals court was not amused by his attempt to escape culpability.

The second one is particularly sad in that Trump had ALREADY been found guilty of sexual assault and slander, and he immediately strutted onto a nearby stage and claimed (again) that he never met her and she was a liar.  Given that there is now a legal decision that he did in fact rape her, she will have an open-and-shut case for the second trial.

And all he had to do to completely avoid both cases was to keep his mouth shut.

Hi Bill,

Me thinks you ask too much.

Jerry Baumchen

PS)  Actually, let the idiot talk; it works so well against him.

 

[kallend 1,623]

A jury in Washington, D.C., has ordered  Rudy Giuliani to pay $148 million to two former Georgia election workers who became the targets of violent threats after he accused them of manipulating ballots in the 2020 election.

U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell determined that Giuliani was liable for defamation and that he had engaged in a conspiracy to defame Ruby Freeman and daughter Shaye Moss.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

Hi folks,

Looks like Rudy might have to sell some of his real estate:  Giuliani ordered to pay $148M

Giuliani ordered to pay $148M for spreading lies about Georgia election workers - POLITICO

Think Trump will loan him  few bucks?

Jerry Baumchen

[jakee 1,255]

22 minutes ago, kallend said:

A jury in Washington, D.C., has ordered  Rudy Giuliani to pay $148 million to two former Georgia election workers who became the targets of violent threats after he accused them of manipulating ballots in the 2020 election.

His legal team made one fatal mistake: "If the jury awards Freeman and Moss what they are seeking, his lawyer, Joseph Sibley said, it "will be the end of Mr. Giuliani."" 

I think the jury heard that and immediately said "OK!"

[normiss 622]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Looks like Rudy might have to sell some of his real estate:  Giuliani ordered to pay $148M

Giuliani ordered to pay $148M for spreading lies about Georgia election workers - POLITICO

Think Trump will loan him  few bucks?

Jerry Baumchen

The court will require a LARGE deposit to secure this penalty from what I heard in one of the news pieces of the story.

[Phil1111 911]

18 hours ago, JerryBaumchen said:

...Think Trump will loan him  few bucks?

Jerry Baumchen

trump is selling the suit off his back right now to raise cash. Jean Carroll is going back to court to re-teach trump another lesson in defamation law.

Surely you don't want to see trump parading around in his underwear?

[ryoder 1,384]

Michael Popak elaborates on the legal process for the plaintiffs to collect on the judgement against Rudy. Jump to 3:00

 

[obelixtim 100]

It will be good to see Rudy living in a cardboard box at the back of Walmart....richly deserved before he starts his jail term.

[Stumpy 256]

8 hours ago, obelixtim said:

It will be good to see Rudy living in a cardboard box at the back of Walmart....richly deserved before he starts his jail term.

He'll probably get a room at the four seasons.