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frontloop33

Buy an old PF Havok?

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Well I think the Havok sucks so I wouldent buy it for any amount. They are quite slow. A Swift 3 can outfly one. But if you're just doing solos on your own, then who am I tell you what you may or may not like. I just wouldent buy one myself.

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Don’t listen to Jerry McGee here. The Havok is a great suit, and the only people that bash them are ones that have no experience flying them. 
 
if you can’t keep up with a swift, you probably just don’t know how to fly a wingsuit.

The Havok is a great suit, but 500 is steep for that old of technology.

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Yes the Havok is a great suit. If it's in good condition then yes. I can't say about the price, but the question is more: what sort of flying do you want to do?

If you want a good all-rounder suit that is stable on belly, back, offers easy maneouvreability and transitions, and nice range on smaller suits, the Havok is perfect.

Sure the latest model will be a bit better but the original will offer just as much fun. 

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The original Havok is a good suit, but in flying you do notice the difference between the older model and the steps up toward the current 2020 release.

Though $500 is less than half of a new/current model, I do think you can probably find something more recent (Carve or Carve 2) for a similar price...

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I've owned about 12 wingsuits over the years. The original Havok is the only one I KNOW that I will never sell.

People who bash Havoks are usually fanatics about speed being the only metric by which a WS should be measured. They are also usually choking on light blue Kool-Aide.

You should be able to get it cheaper than $500. If you do, it will be the most fun-per-dollar WS you'll own.

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On 5/18/2020 at 2:35 PM, frontloop33 said:

Hi,

someone offered a Phoenix Fly Havok (original, not Carve - built in 2014), that's still quite new (low jump numbers).

Would you buy it or go for a newer wingsuit? Price is about 500 $

Hell yes I would.  It's actually what I did.

 

Three years (and two job changes) later I bought a C2rve that was made for me, and it does fly a little better - but outside of the tunnel (which isn't in your future if you're trying to save $$$) you're not going to tell the difference.

My wife still flies her original Havoc from like a decade ago, and kicks major ass in it.  She actually prefers it to her Magister.  Gonna be hard to get her to retire it... and it's in really rough shape.

I then passed that Havoc on to the next guy for $400 or so to the next guy.  He's having a blast... or was before the COVID.

 

The planform has aged well.  If you're strapped for cash, something in the Havoc family for a price you can pay is a good choice, even if that something is the original.

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I have 500 jumps on my original Havok and just did my first WS BASE jumps with it last year. They’re amazing suits and I think they’re probably the best all around suits ever made, but I’d only be offering like 350 for one now. For 500 you can find a Carve and for a bit more a C2rve 

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