Climate Change Has been a Routine Scare Tactic Since the 1930s

[airdvr 198]

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/climate-change-has-been-a-routine-scare-tactic-since-1930s/

“Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing variables of climate uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies.”

April 28, 1975, Newsweek

There's one born every minute...

 

[wmw999 2,136]

There's plenty of ocean to throw trash into, too. It'll never, ever, fill up or be noticeable.

Svante Arrhenius basically invented physical chemistry; he was the one who first worked through this. It's taken well over 100 years for people to take his work seriously; lots of them still aren't. It's a complex system, which, unfortunately for many, means that a simple answer won't do it. 

The fact that it's been said before doesn't make it wrong. It makes us wrong.

Wendy P.

[kallend 1,635]

Clearly we aren't scared enough yet.

[airdvr 198]

...or clearly the "science is settled" crowd has been wrong multiple times in the past.

[kallend 1,635]

3 minutes ago, airdvr said:

...or clearly the "science is settled" crowd has been wrong multiple times in the past.

Non sequitur.

[gowlerk 1,918]

4 minutes ago, airdvr said:

...or clearly the "science is settled" crowd has been wrong multiple times in the past.

The "bury our heads in and sand and leave the problem for our grand children" crowd are so delightful.

[brenthutch 388]

5 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The "bury our heads in and sand and leave the problem for our grand children" crowd are so delightful.

What problem?

[gowlerk 1,918]

Just now, brenthutch said:

What problem?

Don't worry yourself about it. You'll be fine.

 

[DJL 232]

 

 

46 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

What problem?

[brenthutch 388]

[billvon 2,417]

 

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Climate Change Has been a Routine Scare Tactic Since the 1930s

And "smoking causes cancer" has been a routine "scare tactic" since 1967.  Are you going to argue therefore that there is no such thing as lung cancer from smoking?

[billvon 2,417]

9 hours ago, brenthutch said:

From the BBC:

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Climate change is melting permafrost soils that have been frozen for thousands of years, and as the soils melt they are releasing ancient viruses and bacteria that, having lain dormant, are springing back to life.

Reindeer (Rangifer tarandus) migrating (Credit: Eric Baccega/naturepl.com)

In August 2016, in a remote corner of Siberian tundra called the Yamal Peninsula in the Arctic Circle, a 12-year-old boy died and at least twenty people were hospitalised after being infected by anthrax.

The theory is that, over 75 years ago, a reindeer infected with anthrax died and its frozen carcass became trapped under a layer of frozen soil, known as permafrost. There it stayed until a heatwave in the summer of 2016, when the permafrost thawed.

This exposed the reindeer corpse and released infectious anthrax into nearby water and soil, and then into the food supply. More than 2,000 reindeer grazing nearby became infected, which then led to the small number of human cases.

The fear is that this will not be an isolated case.

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Looks like she's right.

This thread is especially funny in a forum where climate change deniers are still posting in a thread entitled "there's only one problem with climate change - it ended in 1998!" - and expect to be taken seriously.

[brenthutch 388]

7 minutes ago, billvon said:

The theory is.... 

LOL

[brenthutch 388]

11 minutes ago, billvon said:

The theory is that, over 75 years ago, a reindeer infected with anthrax died and its frozen carcass became trapped under a layer of frozen soil, known as permafrost. 

Do you realize that you just showed evidence that it was WARMER 75 years ago?  Unless a dead reindeer dug it’s grave under the PERMAFROST, it only stands to reason, the permafrost formed AFTER the death of the reindeer 

[airdvr 198]

26 minutes ago, billvon said:

 

And "smoking causes cancer" has been a routine "scare tactic" since 1967.  Are you going to argue therefore that there is no such thing as lung cancer from smoking?

Not at all.  Simply pointing out the amount of times science has missed the mark in the past on this subject

[ScottishJohn 25]

4 hours ago, brenthutch said:

Do you realize that you just showed evidence that it was WARMER 75 years ago?  Unless a dead reindeer dug it’s grave under the PERMAFROST, it only stands to reason, the permafrost formed AFTER the death of the reindeer 

The raindeer dies.

It snows and covers the raindeer.

Years and years of snow cover the raindeer traping the carcass in the permafrost  until the Earth warms up enough to melt years of permafrost.

It's not hard to understand unless you try and spin it to fit  your idea of how the climate works 

[brenthutch 388]

4 hours ago, ScottishJohn said:

The raindeer dies.

It snows and covers the raindeer.

Years and years of snow cover the raindeer traping the carcass in the permafrost  until the Earth warms up enough to melt years of permafrost.

So it has melted back to where it was 75 years ago, got it.

[Stumpy 256]

On 9/14/2019 at 12:26 PM, brenthutch said:

 got it.

No, no you still haven't. Stay in your lane.

[brenthutch 388]

Has anybody else noticed the goalposts for climate disaster have been moved from 2 degrees C. to 1.5? 

[DJL 232]

14 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Has anybody else noticed the goalposts for climate disaster have been moved from 2 degrees C. to 1.5? 

Noticed that the closer the car in front of you is the harder you need to hit the brakes?

[brenthutch 388]

So they changed it to scare the populace into action? Or was it because we were never going to get close to 2 degrees at the rate we were going? 

Edited September 18, 2019 by brenthutch

[DJL 232]

6 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

So they changed it to scare the populace into action? Or was it because we were never going to get close to 2 degrees at the rate we were going? 

Don't care.

[Channman 2]

The Climate in Speakers Corner has been a bit cold lately...but I feel a warming tread coming.

[normiss 622]

12 hours ago, Channman said:

The Climate in Speakers Corner has been a bit cold lately...but I feel a warming tread coming.

That's going to require more glaciers melting in here before that happens.

[billvon 2,417]

On 9/18/2019 at 6:01 AM, brenthutch said:

So they changed it to scare the populace into action? 

Yep!  Just like those evil, nasty, liberal taillights on the car in front of you scare you into braking.