billvon 2,400 #1 November 4, 2018 Trump describes the 14th amendment to the US Constitution as a "crazy, lunatic policy." 'Nuff said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #2 November 4, 2018 It continues to beggar belief how supposedly patriotic people can support a guy who does nothing but tell them how shitty their country is, day in and day out.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #3 November 4, 2018 billvonTrump describes the 14th amendment to the US Constitution as a "crazy, lunatic policy." 'Nuff said. That's not really what he said. But that's the interpretation you accepted once you heard it. Enough said"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #4 November 4, 2018 rushmc***Trump describes the 14th amendment to the US Constitution as a "crazy, lunatic policy." 'Nuff said. That's not really what he said. That is exactly what he said.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #5 November 4, 2018 On Thursday night, Trump called the guarantee of citizenship to babies born inside U.S. borders a “crazy, lunatic policy.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #6 November 4, 2018 >That's not really what he said. That is what he said, word for word. What "alternative facts" do you have where he says something different? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,048 #7 November 4, 2018 Hi jakee, Quote who does nothing but tell them how shitty their country is, day in and day out. And he has yet to do one thing to: Make America Great Again The real lunacy of our Constitution is the outdated Electoral College. It, not the people of this country, put The Dufus in office. Pathetic. Jerry Baumchen PS) What really makes me laugh is how people say The Trump Tax Plan. The Republican legislature passed it, put in front of him & he signed it. I doubt that he understands 10% of it. End of rant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #8 November 5, 2018 normissOn Thursday night, Trump called the guarantee of citizenship to babies born inside U.S. borders a “crazy, lunatic policy.” exactly! That is what he said. He didn't call the Fourteenth Amendment anything like that. Do you happen to know what year Birthright citizenship became the policy of the country? Because it's was not apart of the Amendments of this country back at the time the amendment was approved. Sensationalizing the way Bill did is no different than a lie. And that I guess you support"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #9 November 5, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi jakee, Quote who does nothing but tell them how shitty their country is, day in and day out. And he has yet to do one thing to: Make America Great Again The real lunacy of our Constitution is the outdated Electoral College. It, not the people of this country, put The Dufus in office. Pathetic. Jerry Baumchen PS) What really makes me laugh is how people say The Trump Tax Plan. The Republican legislature passed it, put in front of him & he signed it. I doubt that he understands 10% of it. End of rant. As has been stated many times in the past, the Constitution is an impediment to the goals of the progressive socialist left. And you have just proven that yet again"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #10 November 5, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi jakee, Quote who does nothing but tell them how shitty their country is, day in and day out. And he has yet to do one thing to: Make America Great Again The real lunacy of our Constitution is the outdated Electoral College. It, not the people of this country, put The Dufus in office. Pathetic. Jerry Baumchen PS) What really makes me laugh is how people say The Trump Tax Plan. The Republican legislature passed it, put in front of him & he signed it. I doubt that he understands 10% of it. End of rant. "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #11 November 5, 2018 This explains it perfectly for the constitutionally ignorant. https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/birthright-citizenship-fundamental-misunderstanding-the-14th-amendment"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #12 November 5, 2018 Again Bill I'm going to post and say thank you. It is these types of comments and mis characterizations that are doing nothing but helping Trump. Probably shouldn't tell you that I hope you keep it up. Thank you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackwallace 3 #13 November 5, 2018 rushmc***On Thursday night, Trump called the guarantee of citizenship to babies born inside U.S. borders a “crazy, lunatic policy.” exactly! That is what he said. He didn't call the Fourteenth Amendment anything like that. Do you happen to know what year Birthright citizenship became the policy of the country? Because it's was not apart of the Amendments of this country back at the time the amendment was approved. Sensationalizing the way Bill did is no different than a lie. And that I guess you support I believe you could be wrong about this. My copy of the amendment: Amendment 14 Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.U only make 2 jumps: the first one for some weird reason and the last one that you lived through. The rest are just filler. scr 316 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #14 November 5, 2018 >exactly! That is what he said. He didn't call the Fourteenth Amendment anything like that The Fourteenth Amendment provides the guarantee of citizenship to babies born inside U.S. borders. Which is what he called "crazy, lunatic." Why is it that right wingers are always going off on how liberals hate the constitution, but when it comes right down to it, they have no idea what's in the constitution other than "I can have guns?" >Because it's was not apart of the Amendments of this country back at the time >the amendment was approved. Love it! You're now finding ways to spit on the parts of the Constitution, because Trump told you to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 4 #15 November 5, 2018 billvon>exactly! That is what he said. He didn't call the Fourteenth Amendment anything like that The Fourteenth Amendment provides the guarantee of citizenship to babies born inside U.S. borders. Which is what he called "crazy, lunatic." Why is it that right wingers are always going off on how liberals hate the constitution, but when it comes right down to it, they have no idea what's in the constitution other than "I can have guns?" >Because it's was not apart of the Amendments of this country back at the time >the amendment was approved. Love it! You're now finding ways to spit on the parts of the Constitution, because Trump told you to. I'm busy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,299 #16 November 5, 2018 rushmcThis explains it perfectly for the constitutionally ignorant. https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/birthright-citizenship-fundamental-misunderstanding-the-14th-amendment § 515.329 Person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States; person subject to U.S. jurisdiction. The terms person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and person subject to U.S. jurisdiction include: (a) Any individual, wherever located, who is a citizen or resident of the United States; (b) Any person within the United States as defined in § 515.330; (c) Any corporation, partnership, association, or other organization organized under the laws of the United States or of any State, territory, possession, or district of the United States; and (d) Any corporation, partnership, association, or other organization, wherever organized or doing business, that is owned or controlled by persons specified in paragraphs (a) or (c) of this section. [ 50 FR 27437, July 3, 1985, as amended at 68 FR 14145, Mar. 24, 2003; 80 FR 2292, Jan. 16, 2015; 81 FR 13991, Mar. 16, 2016] § 515.330 Person within the United States. (a) The term person within the United States, includes: (1) Any person, wheresoever located, who is a resident of the United States; (2) Any person actually within the United States; (3) Any corporation, partnership, association, or other organization organized under the laws of the United States or of any State, territory, possession, or district of the United States; and (4) Any corporation, partnership, association, or other organization, wherever organized or doing business, which is owned or controlled by any person or persons specified in paragraphs (a)(1) or (a)(3) of this section. (b) [Reserved] [ 28 FR 6974, July 9, 1963, as amended at 68 FR 14145, Mar. 24, 2003] Unless you are willing to call a born human not a person you have a definitional problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #17 November 5, 2018 rushmc This explains it perfectly for the constitutionally ignorant. https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/birthright-citizenship-fundamental-misunderstanding-the-14th-amendment It seems to me that guy's entire point hinges on the political allegiance of a baby. Babies don't choose to ally themselves with anyone. He says; "Critics erroneously believe that anyone present in the United States has “subjected” himself “to the jurisdiction” of the United States, which would extend citizenship to the children of tourists, diplomats, and illegal aliens alike." Whereas it appears that he erroneously believes that anyone born of foreign parents has "subjected" himself "to the jurisdiction" of that foreign state. If the parents don't choose to make the baby a citizen of a foreign state it won't ever owe allegiance to or be subject to that state. He even references the Wong Kim Ark case saying it only holds that permanent residents qualify - but that still counteracts his argument, since permanent residents are still citizens of somewhere else. Finally, it is hilarious that Trump, the public face of the Birther movement, is now standing up in public and stating that it is insane to think that citizenship can be governed by place of birthDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #18 November 5, 2018 See the link I posted above."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #19 November 5, 2018 You forget that Hillary started the birther movement and it has nothing to do with this thread"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #20 November 5, 2018 billvon>exactly! That is what he said. He didn't call the Fourteenth Amendment anything like that The Fourteenth Amendment provides the guarantee of citizenship to babies born inside U.S. borders. Which is what he called "crazy, lunatic." Why is it that right wingers are always going off on how liberals hate the constitution, but when it comes right down to it, they have no idea what's in the constitution other than "I can have guns?" >Because it's was not apart of the Amendments of this country back at the time >the amendment was approved. Love it! You're now finding ways to spit on the parts of the Constitution, because Trump told you to. Bill, you don't have to post something to try and make me believe that's what you believe. I know you do! But sadly for you the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment is quite clear if you do a little research. Which you are either unable or too lazy to do."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 910 #21 November 5, 2018 rushmcYou forget that Hillary started the birther movement and it has nothing to do with this thread This, like trump's statement is not believed, or accepted by the propagators of the lies Its merely pablum to be spoon-fed to the masses, the other cult members.So they can all cheer, bob their heads, shuckling, so to speak. To show their worship, their acceptance of the image of trump.His message that only we count, we matter. That the constitution is just a group of ideas. To be accepted or discarded, whichever is convenient to our current message. Like the truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,121 #22 November 5, 2018 The preponderant legal opinion in the past (as stated by a US foreign service consular officer I know) is that it’s diplomatic immunity that defines “subject to foreign powers.” Undocumented aliens are subject to US law; at least we do put them into jail here when they break it, which we don’t do to people holding diplomatic immunity. Since diplomatic immunity is defined by a foreign treaty we signed (that pesky Geneva Convention), you may not accept it, but it’s legal minds that have to decide. Now the concept was only informal at the time of the 14th Amendment, but it still existed. That our birthright laws are liberal is undeniable. Maybe too much so. But thats a statute at least, not a fiat. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,254 #23 November 5, 2018 rushmc You forget that Hillary started the birther movement and it has nothing to do with this thread Hillary did not start the Birther conspiracy, Trump did champion the Birther conspiracy for years, and yes it does have to do with this thread. Trump's hypocrisy on this is Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,340 #24 November 5, 2018 jakee ***You forget that Hillary started the birther movement and it has nothing to do with this thread Hillary did not start the Birther conspiracy, Trump did champion the Birther conspiracy for years, and yes it does have to do with this thread. Trump's hypocrisy on this is I gotta love how those who promoted the 'birther' shit the loudest now claim that it was HRC who started it (hint: It wasn't). I don't like HRC and didn't vote for her (and wouldn't today). She pulled every trick in the book to secure the nomination, both in 08 and 12. Do the people who hate her think that she wouldn't have been all over this if it had had any merit?"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #25 November 5, 2018 wolfriverjoe ******You forget that Hillary started the birther movement and it has nothing to do with this thread Hillary did not start the Birther conspiracy, Trump did champion the Birther conspiracy for years, and yes it does have to do with this thread. Trump's hypocrisy on this is I gotta love how those who promoted the 'birther' shit the loudest now claim that it was HRC who started it (hint: It wasn't). I don't like HRC and didn't vote for her (and wouldn't today). She pulled every trick in the book to secure the nomination, both in 08 and 12. Do the people who hate her think that she wouldn't have been all over this if it had had any merit? Hillary's campaign did start the birther movement. That's a proven fact"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites