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[billvon 2,426]

Your one warning. No personal attacks.

[RonD1120 58]

Phil1111

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I generally do not take other people's inventory.

Bullshit, you did it for 8 years under the Obama administration.

At least have the balls to stand for something, after all these years you'd think you would have found a way to grow a backbone. Don't they teach that in your military?

IMO Ron's ideological stance is fairly established although it may seem confusing. Think a Swiss model of limited international engagement and set of interests. A Christian set of ideals towards others he has direct interactions with. For others, its up to them to look after themselves. A personal choice of residence allows an almost complete restriction on outsiders intrusive ideals. Or interference with his life choices.

Feel free to correct me If I'm mistaken.

An excellent observation, sir.

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[jakee 1,257]

Phil1111

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I generally do not take other people's inventory.

Bullshit, you did it for 8 years under the Obama administration.

At least have the balls to stand for something, after all these years you'd think you would have found a way to grow a backbone. Don't they teach that in your military?

IMO Ron's ideological stance is fairly established although it may seem confusing. Think a Swiss model of limited international engagement and set of interests. A Christian set of ideals towards others he has direct interactions with. For others, its up to them to look after themselves. A personal choice of residence allows an almost complete restriction on outsiders intrusive ideals. Or interference with his life choices.

Feel free to correct me If I'm mistaken.

You're not mistaken, however you're not talking about the same thing that SkyDekker was - specifically the bit about "taking others' inventory."

He was hugely concerned with all sorts of real or imagined aspects of Obamas personal life and behaviour yet claims not to care about any of that when the conversation concerns Trump. When challenged he changes the subject to talk about how much of a winner Trump is. When challenged on why that didn't apply to Obama (who was clearly also a serial winner) he changes the subject again, usually with some baffling non-sequitur involving whatever bit of research he's been reading for his amateur psychology hobby.

The sad part really is that he clearly thinks he's being clever about it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 2,426]

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He was hugely concerned with all sorts of real or imagined aspects of Obamas personal life and behaviour yet claims not to care about any of that when the conversation concerns Trump.

Some examples here:

"It's the people he keeps as associates, advisers and czars. It is a collusion of evil. "

"As my grandmother used to say, "Where there's smoke there's fire." "

"No surprise, everything this man says has been and continues to be a lie. That type of personality requires a tremendous amount of cover up. "

But in Trump, that's all OK.

[SkyDekker 1,141]

jakee

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I generally do not take other people's inventory.

Bullshit, you did it for 8 years under the Obama administration.

At least have the balls to stand for something, after all these years you'd think you would have found a way to grow a backbone. Don't they teach that in your military?

IMO Ron's ideological stance is fairly established although it may seem confusing. Think a Swiss model of limited international engagement and set of interests. A Christian set of ideals towards others he has direct interactions with. For others, its up to them to look after themselves. A personal choice of residence allows an almost complete restriction on outsiders intrusive ideals. Or interference with his life choices.

Feel free to correct me If I'm mistaken.

You're not mistaken, however you're not talking about the same thing that SkyDekker was - specifically the bit about "taking others' inventory."

He was hugely concerned with all sorts of real or imagined aspects of Obamas personal life and behaviour yet claims not to care about any of that when the conversation concerns Trump. When challenged he changes the subject to talk about how much of a winner Trump is. When challenged on why that didn't apply to Obama (who was clearly also a serial winner) he changes the subject again, usually with some baffling non-sequitur involving whatever bit of research he's been reading for his amateur psychology hobby.

The sad part really is that he clearly thinks he's being clever about it.

This.

[billvon 2,426]

So for the latest:

Trump just admitted that he paid Cohen to keep Daniels quiet - but it looks like he intentionally lied on last year's disclosure when he failed to disclose the hush money payment. Which, of course, is a crime.

Is someone keeping a list of all of Trump's crimes? It's getting hard to keep them all straight.
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Trump form discloses debt payment to Cohen, lawyer who paid Stormy Daniels

Last year, the president did not disclose any debts to attorney Michael Cohen, who executed a payment of $130,000 to Clifford less than two weeks before the 2016 election.

by Jonathan Allen / May.16.2018

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump reported that he reimbursed personal attorney Michael Cohen for costs apparently incurred in paying adult film star Stormy Daniels for a nondisclosure agreement, according to a federally required annual financial disclosure form released by the Office of Government Ethics on Wednesday.

"In the interest of transparency, while not required to be disclosed as 'reportable liabilities' ... in 2016 expenses were incurred by one of Donald J. Trump's attorneys, Michael Cohen," a note at the bottom of Page 45 of the 92-page report states. "Mr. Cohen sought reimbursement of those expenses and Mr. Trump fully reimbursed Cohen in 2017. The category of value would be $100,001 to $250,000 and the interest rate would be zero."

The acting director of the ethics office, David J. Apol, concluded that Trump's report "meets the disclosure requirements," but noted that making that debt public "is required." The outside group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington had filed a complaint that Trump's 2017 form had improperly omitted a "loan" from Cohen.

Federal law requires White House officials, including the president, to "report liabilities owed to any creditor that exceeded $10,000 at any time during the reporting period." It is illegal to "knowingly and willfully" omit or falsify information on disclosure forms, a crime punishable by a fine and up to one year in prison.

Last year, Trump did not disclose any debts to Cohen, who executed a payment of $130,000 to Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, less than two weeks before the 2016 presidential election. Trump, who has denied having a sexual relationship with Daniels during his marriage to Melania Trump, said earlier this month that he reimbursed Cohen.

"Mr. Cohen, an attorney, received a monthly retainer, not from the campaign and having nothing to do with the campaign, from which he entered into, through reimbursement, a private contract between two parties, known as a non-disclosure agreement, or NDA," Trump wrote on Twitter, reversing an earlier statement that he was unaware of the disbursement.

In April, Trump told reporters on Air Force One that he did not know about the payment to Daniels or where Cohen got the money to make it.
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[nolhtairt 0]

Well whoopie do. If you think this is going to lead to a successful impeachment of Trump, think again.

[wolfriverjoe 1,351]

nolhtairt

Well whoopie do. If you think this is going to lead to a successful impeachment of Trump, think again.

I find it more than a little bit disturbing that so many Trumpettes seem to defend or dismiss his criminal actions.

And there are a lot of criminal actions that they defend.

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[nolhtairt 0]

wolfriverjoe

***Well whoopie do. If you think this is going to lead to a successful impeachment of Trump, think again.

I find it more than a little bit disturbing that so many Trumpettes seem to defend or dismiss his criminal actions.

And there are a lot of criminal actions that they defend.

Could say the same thing about Hillary, but she never gets investigated or charged with anything. Not to mention the 20 (give or take) associates over the years that "died".

[billvon 2,426]

>Well whoopie do. If you think this is going to lead to a successful impeachment of
>Trump, think again.

I didn't say that that would happen.

Although it is indicative of how poorly Trump is doing that, when his latest crime is revealed, his supporters do not defend him with "he didn't do it!" or even "that's not that bad a crime!" but rather "you're not going to be able to impeach him for THAT!"

[jcd11235 0]

nolhtairt

Could say the same thing about Hillary, but she never gets investigated or charged with anything.

Are you serious? You'd be hard pressed to find anyone in DC who has been more thoroughly investigated. You're right about her never being charged with anything, though. That's what doesn't happen when investigations provide no evidence of criminal conduct.

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[Phil1111 913]

jcd11235

***Could say the same thing about Hillary, but she never gets investigated or charged with anything.

Are you serious? You'd be hard pressed to find anyone in DC who has been more thoroughly investigated. You're right about her never being charged with anything, though. That's what doesn't happen when investigations provide no evidence of criminal conduct.

One of trump's election promises was to fully investigate, to prosecute and to "lock her up". He has his own dept of trump..er..justice. Whats holding him back?

EVIDENCE. But the narrative of trump, FOX news and the tribe. Remains the same. A boogieman, a scapegoat is always necessary. nolhtairt has not been watching enough FOX, shame,shame!

Mueller is the new scapegoat. He and the FBI are the new enemies of change. Come midterms, there will be a new chant for the masses. Mueller, Mueller, end the witch-hunt. Mueller, Mueller, end the witch-hunt.

In addition because of the deep state corruption of the FBI(a DEM. deep state). trump has be forced to refuse to testify because he has to complete his work to make America Great Again.

[billvon 2,426]

>Could say the same thing about Hillary, but she never gets investigated or charged with anything.

Did you honestly, seriously just claim that Hillary Clinton "never gets investigated?" You have got to get more news sources than FOX.

In the reality-based world, she's been investigated over a dozen times, at a cost of well over $100 million to the taxpayers. Hundreds of lawyers looking at millions of pages of evidence, interviewing dozens of witnesses and examining thousands of transactions. No charges resulted from any of those investigations.

Ken Starr, after investigating Whitewater and spending $82 million- "This office determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either President or Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any criminal conduct."

The GOP, after spending $22 million investigating the Benghazi deaths - no charges.

The FBI, after spending $30 million investigating the email issue - "We did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information."

The FBI after a second investigation - "Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July."

She is the most investigated person in modern history. (Trump may soon surpass her, of course - but likely with a different result.)

[gowlerk 1,923]

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Not to mention the 20 (give or take) associates over the years that "died".

This is the most egregious example of right wing talk show bullshit out there. Do you REALLY believe she is a murderer? Put up or shut up.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[DJL 232]

billvon

>Could say the same thing about Hillary, but she never gets investigated or charged with anything.

Did you honestly, seriously just claim that Hillary Clinton "never gets investigated?" You have got to get more news sources than FOX.

In the reality-based world, she's been investigated over a dozen times, at a cost of well over $100 million to the taxpayers. Hundreds of lawyers looking at millions of pages of evidence, interviewing dozens of witnesses and examining thousands of transactions. No charges resulted from any of those investigations.

Ken Starr, after investigating Whitewater and spending $82 million- "This office determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either President or Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any criminal conduct."

The GOP, after spending $22 million investigating the Benghazi deaths - no charges.

The FBI, after spending $30 million investigating the email issue - "We did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information."

The FBI after a second investigation - "Based on our review, we have not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July."

She is the most investigated person in modern history. (Trump may soon surpass her, of course - but likely with a different result.)

And don't forget that the Trump appointed AG, Jess Sessions, has said there there is insufficient basis to launch an investigation into anything regarding Hillary Clinton.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jeff-sessions-hillary-clinton-investigation-not-enough-evidence-fbi-latest-a8055296.html

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[jakee 1,257]

nolhtairt

Could say the same thing about Hillary, but she never gets investigated.

Are you fucking joking?

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Not to mention the 20 (give or take) associates over the years that "died".

That's another thing you "couldn't make it up" right?

You do need to decide if you want to be taken seriously, or you just want to be a blind partisan hack.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[DJL 232]

jakee

***Could say the same thing about Hillary, but she never gets investigated.

Are you fucking joking?

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Not to mention the 20 (give or take) associates over the years that "died".

That's another thing you "couldn't make it up" right?

You do need to decide if you want to be taken seriously, or you just want to be a blind partisan hack.

Things like this are good examples of the recent confusion over Trolling.

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[nolhtairt 0]

gowlerk

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Not to mention the 20 (give or take) associates over the years that "died".

This is the most egregious example of right wing talk show bullshit out there. Do you REALLY believe she is a murderer? Put up or shut up.

Okay, take a look at this and tell me there's nothing to it. I'm not saying every single one of them are suspicious deaths but I think there's enough to make you go "hmmm".

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/

[nolhtairt 0]

billvon

>Could say the same thing about Hillary, but she never gets investigated or charged with anything.

Did you honestly, seriously just claim that Hillary Clinton "never gets investigated?" You have got to get more news sources than FOX.

Bad phrase on my part. I meant to say everything gets deemed not worthy of charges. Plenty of others have gone to prison for far less.

I will say this though, fuck Hillary. I'm glad she lost. Why? She's still bitching to this day about losing the election. The worst sore loser I've ever seen. She makes Al Gore look like a saint.

[billvon 2,426]

>Okay, take a look at this and tell me there's nothing to it. I'm not saying every single
>one of them are suspicious deaths but I think there's enough to make you go "hmmm".

A bunch of people die while working with Clinton over the course of 30 years. Makes you think something's wrong!

Trump's team meets with a Russian intelligence agent promising dirt on Clinton, then lies to cover up the meeting. Couldn't POSSIBLY be anything wrong there. Nothingburger! Witch hunt! Stop talking about it!

Funny.

[jakee 1,257]

nolhtairt

Bad phrase on my part. I meant to say everything gets deemed not worthy of charges.

Even though the investigations have pretty much all been run by Republicans. You don't think that, just maybe, that means there shouldn't have been any charges?

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She's still bitching to this day about losing the election.

Is she? Could you link to some recent instances of her doing this?

I've gotta be honest, I haven't seen anything from her for what feels like at least a year. How do you keep coming across reports about her bitching? Almost sounds like you're going hunting for stuff to be offended by, tbh.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,257]

nolhtairt

Okay, take a look at this and tell me there's nothing to it. I'm not saying every single one of them are suspicious deaths but I think there's enough to make you go "hmmm".

http://lasvegas.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/the-list-of-clinton-associates-whove-died-mysteriously-check-it-out/

Have you looked into any independent reports about any of those people or their deaths?

Heck, half of them are on the list just because they were involved with Barry Seal. Do you catually know of any solid connection between Clinton and Seal, or should we just assume there is one because they both lived in 'Bama?

The thing that makes me go 'Hmmm' is whatever it is that's going on inside your head

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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nolhtairt

I meant to say everything gets deemed not worthy of charges.

If there was anything to the accusations against her, at least one of the several extensive investigations would have turned up incriminating evidence. The baseless accusations from the right are a textbook example of a proverbial witch hunt.

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[gowlerk 1,923]

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Okay, take a look at this and tell me there's nothing to it. I'm not saying every single one of them are suspicious deaths but I think there's enough to make you go "hmmm".

So, you think it's ok to imply HRC is a murderer because some Alex Jones type made a list of people who died? Even though NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE has ever emerged against her in any of these deaths. And then you complain that people are too hard on Trump?

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,257]

gowlerk

So, you think it's ok to imply HRC is a murderer because some Alex Jones type made a list of people who died?

It's kinda like someone bingewatched the first season of House of Cards and all the conspiracy episodes of Castle back to back while on a really good acid trip, then just rolled on from there.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?