Trump's Legacy

[gowlerk 1,924]

Here we go. The beginning of the fight over "Trump Care". Best quote I've heard so far? "We all agree on repeal, but we're having a harder time with replace."

I must admit I'm surprised. Paul Ryan has agreed to work with Trump against the Tea Party. The blood will soon be flowing in the aisles.

And now this......

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Trump warns House GOP members of electoral 'bloodbath' if repeal and replace fails

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/donald-trump-health-care/index.html


This is real politics. It represents Trump assessing the situation and deciding to spend political capital. Like a real leader.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[ryoder 1,398]

gowlerk

This is real politics. It represents Trump assessing the situation and deciding to spend political capital. Like a real leader.

But the question is: Would Trump be able to say that while Bannon was drinking water?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[rushmc 18]

...is already better than Obama's...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 1,924]

rushmc

...is already better than Obama's...

Not if he can't get anything done. We'll see Marc.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 18]

gowlerk

***...is already better than Obama's...

Not if he can't get anything done. We'll see Marc.

He might be worse than Republicans My Hope for. That said, will still be better than anything Obama could ever be

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,433]

>...is already better than Obama's...

He is certainly beating Obama in vacations taken and taxpayer money spent on them.

[councilman24 36]

billvon

>...is already better than Obama's...

He is certainly beating Obama in vacations taken and taxpayer money spent on them.

and number of 'investigations' that he is proposing to the Congress. New role, Liar in Chief.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
D-8631
FAA DPRE

[kallend 1,647]

rushmc

...is already better than Obama's...

How's the weather over there in Looking Glass Land? Still brillig?

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"
He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought --
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.
And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.
"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[gowlerk 1,924]

Back to the heath insurance plan for a minute now. apparently it's complicated. The opposition is mounting from all sides. Either you think it's still socialism and gives free medicine to undeserving freeloaders. Or you think it's a gift to the wealthy on the backs of the poor. AARP says no, Republican governors in states that took the medicare expansion say no way, Democrats say no, Tea Party says "out of my cold dead hands". Koch brothers are definitely not happy.

I think they should bring Hilary in to craft a new plan. I hear she's available.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[wmw999 2,148]

That is the only poem of any length I've memorized.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[SkyDekker 1,145]

rushmc

...is already better than Obama's...

You have read the proposed legislation and worked through the possible scenarios and determined this?

[billvon 2,433]

>You have read the proposed legislation and worked through the possible scenarios
>and determined this?

Come now. He wants to get it passed before anyone has a chance to read it. If anyone reads it, the loser factinistas on the nerd patrol will just find things wrong with it - and that's not going to drive up ratings.

[brenthutch 388]

I just turned on the news and, without context, heard Nikki Haley say "this is not a rational man, he is unhinged and does not behave in a rational manner". I thought she was talking about her boss but apparently she was referring to Kim Jung Un.

[gowlerk 1,924]

billvon

>You have read the proposed legislation and worked through the possible scenarios
>and determined this?

Come now. He wants to get it passed before anyone has a chance to read it. If anyone reads it, the loser factinistas on the nerd patrol will just find things wrong with it - and that's not going to drive up ratings.

Not only that, they would like to pass it before the CBO prices it out.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[brenthutch 388]

billvon

>You have read the proposed legislation and worked through the possible scenarios
>and determined this?

Come now. He wants to get it passed before anyone has a chance to read it. If anyone reads it, the loser factinistas on the nerd patrol will just find things wrong with it - and that's not going to drive up ratings.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

[Phil1111 913]

brenthutch

I just turned on the news and, without context, heard Nikki Haley say "this is not a rational man, he is unhinged and does not behave in a rational manner". I thought she was talking about her boss but apparently she was referring to Kim Jung Un.

Ah the hidden power of the subconscious, most people know the real truth about someone.

I always suspected that you were secretly very intelligent. Believing that there were just some lapses in education, like the core sciences!

[billvon 2,433]

Latest on "Trump's Legacy" with voters:

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U.S. Voters Say Sessions Lied And Should Resign

March 8, 2017
Quinnipiac University Polling

American voters say 52 - 40 percent that U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions lied under oath during his confirmation hearings and say 51 - 42 percent that he should resign, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

Voters disapprove 54 - 32 percent of the way President Donald Trump is handling U.S. policy towards Russia, the independent Quinnipiac University poll finds.

American voters support 66 - 30 percent an "independent commission investigating potential links between some of Donald Trump's campaign advisors and the Russian government." The only listed party, gender, age or racial group opposed is Republicans, opposed 64 - 30 percent.

A total of 61 percent are "very concerned" or "somewhat concerned" about President Trump's relationship with Russia. A total of 62 percent of voters say alleged Russian interference in the 2016 election is a "very important" or "somewhat important" issue.

Healthcare should be President Trump's top priority, 36 percent of voters say, while 30 percent list infrastructure; 16 percent list taxes and 15 percent list immigration.

American voters say 51 - 45 percent that Trump should not support efforts to repeal the Affordable Care Act (ACA).
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[gowlerk 1,924]

This just in. No danger of humility here. The title of the bill:

H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

From the Congress.gov website

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[SkyDekker 1,145]

gowlerk

This just in. No danger of humility here. The title of the bill:

H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

From the Congress.gov website

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275

That is different from the American Health Care Act introduced yesterday.

Trump has nothing to do with this. Proposal submitted by Pete Sessions, who submitted something similar last year, just named it differently.

[gowlerk 1,924]

SkyDekker

***This just in. No danger of humility here. The title of the bill:

H.R.1275 - World's Greatest Healthcare Plan of 2017

From the Congress.gov website

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275

That is different from the American Health Care Act introduced yesterday.

Trump has nothing to do with this. Proposal submitted by Pete Sessions, who submitted something similar last year, just named it differently.


Awwww.... That's just sooooo disappointing. But thanks.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>You have read the proposed legislation and worked through the possible scenarios
>and determined this?

Come now. He wants to get it passed before anyone has a chance to read it. If anyone reads it, the loser factinistas on the nerd patrol will just find things wrong with it - and that's not going to drive up ratings.

Funny

As I have to date not commented on the HC bill

Not that you care about truth....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,145]

Are you on crack or are you forgetting which account posts what?

You posted on it just earlier in this thread....

[TriGirl 277]

No, he commented on the thread title. I would say it was more of a thread drift than commenting on the legislation, since the original POST explained that the title was referring to the HC legislation.

See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus

Shut Up & Jump!

[billvon 2,433]

Trump begins defining his legacy as voters experience buyer's remorse:
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Millions Risk Losing Health Insurance in Republican Plan, Analysts Say

By ABBY GOODNOUGH and REED ABELSON
MARCH 7, 2017
MYT

WASHINGTON — Millions of people who get private health coverage through the Affordable Care Act would be at risk of losing it under the replacement legislation proposed by House Republicans, analysts said Tuesday, with Americans in their 50s and 60s especially likely to find coverage unaffordable.

Starting in 2020, the plan would do away with the current system of providing premium subsidies based on people’s income and the cost of insurance where they live. Instead, it would provide tax credits of $2,000 to $4,000 per year based on their age.

But the credits would not cover nearly as much of the cost of premiums as the current subsidies do, at least for the type of comprehensive coverage that the Affordable Care Act requires, analysts said. For many people, that could mean the difference between keeping coverage under the new system and having to give it up.

“The central issue is the tax credits are not going to be sufficient,” said Dr. J. Mario Molina, the chief executive of Molina Healthcare, an insurer that offers coverage through the Affordable Care Act marketplaces in California, Florida and several other states.

Martha Brawley of Monroe, N.C., said she voted for President Trump in the hope he could make insurance more affordable. But on Tuesday, Ms. Brawley, 55, was feeling increasingly nervous based on what she had heard about the new plan from television news reports. She pays about $260 per month for a Blue Cross plan and receives a subsidy of $724 per month to cover the rest of her premium. Under the House plan, she would receive $3,500 a year in tax credits — $5,188 less than she gets under the Affordable Care Act.

“I’m scared, I’ll tell you that right now, to think about not having insurance at my age,” said Ms. Brawley, who underwent a liver biopsy on Monday after her doctor found that she has an autoimmune liver disease. “If I didn’t have insurance, these doctors wouldn’t see me.”
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[gowlerk 1,924]

Anyone who believed that any Republican administration would come up with a plan that would make health insurance more affordable for lower middle class people surely does not understand the philosophy of American conservatism.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.