AP Exclusive: DHS weighed Nat Guard for immigration roundups

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AP Exclusive: DHS weighed Nat Guard for immigration roundups

The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo obtained by The Associated Press.

Staffers in the U.S. Department of Homeland Security said they had been told by colleagues in two DHS departments that the proposal was still being considered as recently as Feb. 10. A DHS official described the document as a very early draft that was not seriously considered and never brought to Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly for approval.

The 11-page document calls for the unprecedented militarization of immigration enforcement as far north as Portland, Oregon, and as far east as New Orleans, Louisiana. The document can be accessed at http://apne.ws/2l1Dj0k

Source and more:
https://apnews.com/5508111d59554a33be8001bdac4ef830?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

Memo in question:
http://apne.ws/2l1Dj0k

Relevant part of memo starts at Section D on page 3.

Spicer IMMEDIATELY denied the validity of the AP article.
https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/832616382667726851

Some are speculating there were various copies of the memo circulating in order to smoke out leakers. That of course makes no sense whatsoever since Spicer denied its existence to begin with as opposed to simply saying that.

According to the current article linked;

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The AP had sought comment from the White House beginning Thursday and DHS earlier Friday and had not received a response from either.

So it should have been no surprise to the WH Director of Communications.

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[airdvr 198]

I'm confused. Is your point that we considered National Guard?

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airdvr

I'm confused.

I'm sure you are.

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Is your point that we considered National Guard?

"We"?

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[BIGUN 1,062]

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Is your point that we considered National Guard?

And, I'm good with that.
Wonder why we don't deploy them to the border now?
As Commander-in-Chief; He can have the Department of Defense defend the borders.

I'd suggest we issue them shotguns, so they can shoot the catapulted dope like skeet.
Excellent training in case of war too.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[airdvr 198]

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***I'm confused.

I'm sure you are.

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Is your point that we considered National Guard?

"We"?

OK..I get it. You're no longer a citizen and trump is not your President. Good to know where you're coming from. Don't beat me up, OK?

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airdvr

OK..I get it.

I don't believe you do.

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[airdvr 198]

Ok...who is the "we" you have a problem with?

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airdvr

Ok...who is the "we" you have a problem with?

I certainly had nothing whatsoever to do with the writing of that memo.

I also doubt you did.

"We" had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

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[airdvr 198]

Ok...you could have done without the snarky "I'm confused" response.

SO...again with the question. Are you concerned that the US considered using the Guard to arrest illegals?

ETA - did you take a course in college...perhaps something to the effect of "How Not to Answer a Question"? It was a simple question. You understood my intent when I referred to 'we' as the United States. Why drag out 4 posts to answer a simple question?

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airdvr

Ok...you could have done without the snarky "I'm confused" response.

I could have . . . but . . .

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SO...again with the question. Are you concerned that the US considered using the Guard to arrest illegals?

Did you take a class in asking idiotic questions?

Why the F do you think I posted?

Yes. There is something specifically wrong with the Federal government using the National Guard this way. If history has taught us anything, it's that calling the National Guard to enforce policy against the population leads to pretty horrible things happening.

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[airdvr 198]

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***Ok...you could have done without the snarky "I'm confused" response.

I could have . . . but . . .

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SO...again with the question. Are you concerned that the US considered using the Guard to arrest illegals?

Did you take a class in asking idiotic questions?

Why the F do you think I posted?

We could have has that response 6 posts ago. I thought you were more upset with Spicer's response. So you're good with not enforcing the laws of the US...got it.

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airdvr

got it.

I doubt you do.

There is something specifically wrong with the Federal government using the National Guard this way. If history has taught us anything, it's that calling the National Guard to enforce policy against the population leads to pretty horrible things happening.

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[rifleman 61]

Trump seems to be determined to re-enact one of America's more shameful historical acts - EO9066

http://www.sfgate.com/national/article/Executive-Order-9066-which-sent-my-family-to-a-10932741.php

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[kallend 1,635]

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Is your point that we considered National Guard?

And, I'm good with that.
Wonder why we don't deploy them to the border now?
As Commander-in-Chief; He can have the Department of Defense defend the borders.

I'd suggest we issue them shotguns, so they can shoot the catapulted dope like skeet.
Excellent training in case of war too.

The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border

That doesn't sound much like defending the border, it sounds like using the military to perform domestic policing duties.

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Is your point that we considered National Guard?

And, I'm good with that.
Wonder why we don't deploy them to the border now?
As Commander-in-Chief; He can have the Department of Defense defend the borders.

I'd suggest we issue them shotguns, so they can shoot the catapulted dope like skeet.
Excellent training in case of war too.

The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilize as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorized immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border

That doesn't sound much like defending the border, it sounds like using the military to perform domestic policing duties.

Isn't the National Guard under the command of the governor of the state? Doesn't the county sheriff have the final authority for his county?

I was certainly taught that was the case.

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So you're good with not enforcing the laws of the US...got it.

Speaking of laws of the US, apparently neither you nor Ron are familiar with the Posse Comitatus Act.

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[Phil1111 913]

Nothing less than bannon pandering to the base. Institute the order, have ICE hand over a couple "examples" for deportation. Then shut it down.

All plays good to the trump base. Then cooler heads thought it might be a bad idea and was abandoned.

The cooler head remains unidentified. Perhaps the "leaker".

[billvon 2,407]

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***got it.

I doubt you do.

Can you imagine the screams from the right if Obama had called out the National Guard to protect Planned Parenthood sites against terrorist attacks?

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It is fun watching you get snagged over and over again

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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rushmc

It is fun watching you get snagged over and over again

It's sad watching you not understand a damn thing about the world.

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[rushmc 18]

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***It is fun watching you get snagged over and over again

It's sad watching you not understand a damn thing about the world.

Another zinger

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[airdvr 198]

rifleman

Trump seems to be determined to re-enact one of America's more shameful historical acts - EO9066

http://www.sfgate.com/national/article/Executive-Order-9066-which-sent-my-family-to-a-10932741.php

Absolutely, comparing the roundup and deportation of illegals is comparable to the roundup and interment of US Citizens.

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[airdvr 198]

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***got it.

I doubt you do.

There is something specifically wrong with the Federal government using the National Guard this way. If history has taught us anything, it's that calling the National Guard to enforce policy against the population leads to pretty horrible things happening.

Once again your liberal thinking is clouding your judgement. I would consider the population as citizens of this country. That's not what we're talking about here. BTW...I live 30 minutes from Kent State University and have since 1964. I understand the perils of having the national guard doing police work.

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airdvr

I would consider the population as citizens of this country.

This however, is not a fact. It's opinion and one which goes against the definitions used in dictionaries.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/population

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[billvon 2,407]

> I would consider the population as citizens of this country.

You can do that if you like. The US Constitution makes a distinction between "people" (who fall under its protection) and "citizens" (who have specific rights.) In issues regarding the use of military power, we should go with the Constitution's definition.