Creator of the Planned Parenthood videos!

[JerryBaumchen 1,060]

Hi rush,

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In any event, ASKING, can not get you charged.

In and of itself, that is not a true statement.

You have no legal education or standing; you cannot be the decision maker in any issue such as this. If a DA wants to charge, they can.

And, even if it were factual, sure as Hades it ruins their credibility; except in your mind.

Too bad about that,

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 1,644]

Another consequence of the GOP's war on women:

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Thank you, Republican bigots.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,257]

rushmc

In the US if you are trying (really trying) to buy, say illegal drugs. To be charged you must pass the cash and take possession.

Ok, but (now stay with me here Rush, this bit is complicated) fetal tissue is not drugs, and drug laws don't apply to fetal tissue.

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In any event, ASKING, can not get you charged.

Tell that to Texas. b) A person commits an offense if he or she knowingly or intentionally offers to buy, offers to sell, acquires, receives, sells, or otherwise transfers any human organ for valuable consideration.


And as for the other bogus charge, I'm sure you have a reason why the fake DL doesn't really count as a fake DL. Thoughts?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 2,426]

>In the US if you are trying (really trying) to buy, say illegal drugs. To be charged you
>must pass the cash and take possession.

Correct. Also, in the US, you can be charged for just offering to buy fetal tissue. Different issue, different laws.

It's the law. What's wrong with obeying the law?

[SkyDekker 1,139]

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In the US if you are trying (really trying) to buy, say illegal drugs. To be charged you must pass the cash and take possession.
I post his just incase you really wish to educate yourself.

Which has exactly what to do with offering to buy fetal tissue?

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I post his just incase you really wish to educate yourself.

Yes, cause clearly you haven't.

[JerryBaumchen 1,060]

Hi Dekker,

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Yes, cause clearly you haven't.

Surely, you do not expect him to change his modus operandi.

Hey, it is how he rolls.

Jerry Baumchen

[turtlespeed 212]

JerryBaumchen

Hi Dekker,

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Yes, cause clearly you haven't.

Surely, you do not expect him to change his modus operandi.

Hey, it is how he rolls.

Jerry Baumchen

How hard does one need to be hit with logic before one learns?

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[normiss 622]

bullshit

[rushmc 18]

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/07/26/breaking-remaining-charges-planned-parenthood-videographers-dismissed/

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BREAKING: Remaining Charges Against Planned Parenthood Videographers Dismissed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

rushmc

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/07/26/breaking-remaining-charges-planned-parenthood-videographers-dismissed/

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BREAKING: Remaining Charges Against Planned Parenthood Videographers Dismissed

So, this charge was dismissed on a technicality (the grand jury heard the indictment at the wrong time), and the first charge was dismissed because the defense argued that the money Daleiden was offering was simply the perfectly legal covering of PPs expenses incurred in the procurement of the organs.

So ironically, in defending himself Daleiden also (successfully) defended Planned Parenthood against his own accusations of wrongdoing.

It's a funny old world

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 2,426]

>It's a funny old world

Indeed. A year back RushMC couldn't contain his glee when these videos surfaced. It would be the end of Planned Parenthood and a slap in the face to the democrats, all due to the cleverness and heroism of this guy!

Now the best thing he has to crow about is "well, at least the video producer isn't going to jail."

[rushmc 18]

You guys have poor comprehension skills

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As reported by Breitbart Texas in mid-April, Daleiden’s lawyers filed motions to quash his indictments urging that the Planned Parenthood lawyer, Josh Schaffer, boasted during a press conference that prosecutors maintained a “dialogue” with him “throughout” the grand jury proceedings and told him that the grand jury’s focus later “shifted” to Daleiden. Schaffer admits in his affidavit that he told the prosecutor that he believed Daleiden and Merritt had broken the law for felony tampering with a government document and that Daleiden had committed a crime by offering to buy fetal tissue.

Daleiden’s lawyers also urged that Schaffer boasted that the grand jury never even took a vote on whether or not to indict Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, nor did they call a single witness from PPGC before the grand jury.

In addition, Daleiden’s lawyers urged that District Attorney Devon Anderson did not follow the law when she told Planned Parenthood and National Abortion Federation lawyers that Daleiden and Merritt had been indicted by a grand jury. The move by the DA to tell abortion mill lawyers of the indictments at that point has been called by defense lawyers “an unusual move.” The response to Daleiden’s motions filed by the DA admits that her office did not follow the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure but said that the oversight was a technical violation that cannot serve as a basis for quashing the indictments. The DA’s response is attached to the Breitbart Texas article.

Daleiden’s lawyers also asserted that the grand jury that indicted Daleiden and Merritt, was without proper authority to issue the indictments because the order holding them over to a new term lacked the legal requirements. In the State’s written response, the DA argued that the law allows a judge to extend a grand jury beyond its term if the grand jury is investigating matters already before it. Moreover, making the request even more specific by naming the individual or case being investigated would violate grand jury secrecy.

The whole process was in question from the beginning and it finally caught up with them.

Now you and Bill figure out your next spin move

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

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You guys have poor comprehension skills

Rush: You can't read. We can. When there is a question of whose comprehension is faulty the answer is yours. Every. Single. Time. So don't even go down that road, you'll just make youself look even more clueless than you already do.

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Daleiden’s lawyers filed motions...
Daleiden’s lawyers also urged...
Daleiden’s lawyers urged...
Daleiden’s lawyers also asserted...

Daleidens lawyers will say whatever might help Daleiden. It doesn't matter what they say, it matters which arguments were successful, and why the indictments were dropped.

So, for the driving licences:

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The State filed a motion to dismiss the felony charge noting that a “colorable claim [was] raised regarding whether [the] grand jury investigated new matters after [the] extension order was issued.” A grand jury’s term may be extended by court order but not for new matters to be considered. A grand jury’s term may be extended only for matters already before it. Judge Brock Thomas of the 338th District Court in Harris County signed an order dismissing the charges.

A technicality. The Grand Jury heard the indictment at the wrong time. nothing to do with State collusion, nothing to do with actual guilt or innocence, just a procedural problem.

As for attempting to buy tissue:

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The judge ruled that the indictment was based on Texas Penal Code section 48.02 but the indictment did not reference the exception named within the Penal Code section. The judge ruled that “The indictment’s failure to negate this exception renders it void.” A prosecutor must negate the existence of this exception and prove beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant’s conduct does not fall within the exception.

The exception provides that “It is an exception to the application of this section that the valuable consideration is: (1) a fee paid to a physician or to other medical personnel for services rendered in the usual course of medical practice or a fee paid for hospital or other clinical services; (2) reimbursement of legal or medical expenses incurred for the benefit of the ultimate receiver of the organ; or (3) reimbursement of expenses of travel, housing, and lost wages incurred by the donor of a human organ in connection with the donation of the organ.”

So, Daleiden's team pointed out that the prosecution could not prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was asking PP to do anything illegal.

I'm going to repeat that because it's clear that you still don't understand this part: The charge was dismissed because it could not be shown that Daleiden asked PP to break the law, or charge more than needed to cover their actual expenses incurred.

So after that what is the value of Daleiden's video as an indictment of PP? Zip. Nothing. Nada. Bupkiss. His own legal defence showed that there was nothing incriminating in it. Not just that it woudn't hold up in a court of law, but that it was so innocuous that it wouldn't even get to a courtroom.

Hoist by his own petard

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

Dude
The whole proceeding was bogus and illegal to begin with.


Live with it.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

rushmc

Dude

Dude, Daleiden's own legal team said Planned Parenthood did nothing wrong, and the judge agreed.

Deal with it, sucka!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

jakee

***Dude

Dude, Daleiden's own legal team said Planned Parenthood did nothing wrong, and the judge agreed.

Deal with it, sucka!

Wrong again

The state proceeded illegally and got caught in their own lies.

You need to spit out those crow feathers

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

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Houston attorney Jared Woodfill, one of Daleiden’s lawyers told Breitbart Texas, “The collusion between the DA and Planned Parenthood lawyers will be flushed out during this hearing. We will put Planned Parenthood’s lawyer on the stand and will expose the witch hunt that ended up with the indictment of my client but let baby part selling Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast get off scot-free.”

and he did!!!!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

It was and is a political witch hunt!!!

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Breen says the prosecutor communicating with Planned Parenthood lawyer Josh Schaffer, “ADA Sunni Mitchell, was responsible in 2013 for a grand jury that no billed Houston’s late-term abortionist Douglas Karpen, after photographs and eyewitness testimony implicated him in illegal late-term abortions and homicide of born-alive infants, similar to Philadelphia’s notoriously convicted Kermit Gosnell.”

Breitbart News reported when the grand jury no billed Karpen in 2013 during DA Devon Anderson’s administration. The alleged late-term abortionist had been accused of atrocities, one of which was killing babies after they had been born alive.




Breen called the conduct at the HCDAO “outrageous and illegal.” In a statement provided to Breitbart Texas he also added that “These filings also include evidence that appears to show that the DA’s office worked with Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast to undermine the Texas Attorney General’s independent investigation of that abortion provider.”

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Why do you bother? He'll never believe anything not spoon fed to him by Breitbart, and apparently isn't capable of understanding the simple legal facts of the case.

I've given up responding to him completely. Maybe if we all do that he'll go away.

- Dan G

[jakee 1,257]

rushmc

******Dude

Dude, Daleiden's own legal team said Planned Parenthood did nothing wrong, and the judge agreed.

Deal with it, sucka!

Wrong again

No, right again. It said so in your own link. I quoted for you and highlighted the parts of it that said so.

Unless you have any substantive argument which references those statements and explains why they don't apply then you have no justification for claiming that I am wrong.

Ignoring your own source, ignoring what anyone else says and simply insisting that everyone else is wrong without giving any reason why just makes you look more clueless, more pathetic and more blinded to reality with every passing post.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,257]

rushmc

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Houston attorney Jared Woodfill, one of Daleiden’s lawyers told Breitbart Texas, “The collusion between the DA and Planned Parenthood lawyers will be flushed out during this hearing. We will put Planned Parenthood’s lawyer on the stand and will expose the witch hunt that ended up with the indictment of my client but let baby part selling Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast get off scot-free.”

and he did!!!!!

What Daleiden's lawyers told the press is evidently completely different to what they told the judge. If Daleiden got off scot free then Planned Parenthood should get off scot free for the exact same reason - the videos showed neither of them doing anything illegal.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 18]

DanG

Why do you bother? He'll never believe anything not spoon fed to him by Breitbart, and apparently isn't capable of understanding the simple legal facts of the case.

I've given up responding to him completely. Maybe if we all do that he'll go away.

What???

And miss all the entertainment you provide?


The grand jury proceeded illegally .

This so called technicality jakee is hanging his butt on is that technicality.

The case was a political witch hunt that the court finally stopped.

End of story.

As far as your spoon fed comment?

Projection on your part.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 18]

jakee

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Houston attorney Jared Woodfill, one of Daleiden’s lawyers told Breitbart Texas, “The collusion between the DA and Planned Parenthood lawyers will be flushed out during this hearing. We will put Planned Parenthood’s lawyer on the stand and will expose the witch hunt that ended up with the indictment of my client but let baby part selling Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast get off scot-free.”

and he did!!!!!

What Daleiden's lawyers told the press is evidently completely different to what they told the judge. If Daleiden got off scot free then Planned Parenthood should get off scot free for the exact same reason - the videos showed neither of them doing anything illegal.

There was no collusion against planned parenthood.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,257]

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The grand jury proceeded illegally .

This so called technicality jakee is hanging his butt on is that technicality.

That's one charge. (And it's not the technicality I'm hanging my ass on, it's a technicality that you and Daleiden are hanging your asses on. Without it he would be facing conviction because his actions ref the DL were illegal.)

But you're ignoring the other charge. The one that was dismissed because Daleiden and his team convinced the judge that the video did not show them doing anything other than perfectly legally offering to cover PPs costs in fetal organ procurement.

So why don't you address that head on - if the video doesn't show Daleiden making an illegal offer then how can it show PP accepting one?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,257]

rushmc

******

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Houston attorney Jared Woodfill, one of Daleiden’s lawyers told Breitbart Texas, “The collusion between the DA and Planned Parenthood lawyers will be flushed out during this hearing. We will put Planned Parenthood’s lawyer on the stand and will expose the witch hunt that ended up with the indictment of my client but let baby part selling Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast get off scot-free.”

and he did!!!!!

What Daleiden's lawyers told the press is evidently completely different to what they told the judge. If Daleiden got off scot free then Planned Parenthood should get off scot free for the exact same reason - the videos showed neither of them doing anything illegal.

There was no collusion against planned parenthood.

Ooh, body swerve, nice!

Sure, there was no collusion against PP. There was also no evidence against them in the videos that Daleiden took. Daleiden proved it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?