jakee 1,260 #1651 August 8, 2016 QuoteBut we weren't talking about my best republican friend vs my average liberal friends Then why were you talking about it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,260 #1652 August 8, 2016 CoreeeceThe point was to illustrate how uneducated Trump supporters can still be responsible decision makers that are more sucessful than educated liberals. Sorry if thats too much for you to handle. Oh sure, can be. But the anecdote of one data point that bucks a trend doesn't negate the existence of a trend.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #1653 August 8, 2016 billvon >I just don't understand why any of this matters. Who cares if Trump supporters >are less educated. You do, very much. When someone else posted "The vast majority of support for Trump is from white males with a low intellect" you said "Lol, what complete utter shit." Ya and we discussed how there is a difference between education and intellect. We could probably go off on a rabbit trail and discuss the differences between intellect and intelligence or even the difference between Intelligence vs IQ, but it really wouldn't matter - this whole thing is just an exercise in futility.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #1654 August 8, 2016 jakeeQuoteBut we weren't talking about my best republican friend vs my average liberal friends Then why were you talking about it? I already told you what I was talking about, and why.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,260 #1655 August 8, 2016 Coreeece***QuoteBut we weren't talking about my best republican friend vs my average liberal friends Then why were you talking about it? I already told you what I was talking about, and why. Yeah, you were talking about how your best republican friend was better than your average liberal friends. And I told you why that was A) obviously the case and B) meaningless in the wider context.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 916 #1656 August 8, 2016 Today: "Trump's campaign said Monday the tax plan would "dramatically reduce taxes for everyone and streamline deductions, presenting the biggest tax reform since [the] Reagan [administration]." But based on the details released so far, the plan would also explode the federal budget deficit, add trillions of dollars to the national debt and substantially raise the government's interest payments, according to several independent analysts. Trump's tax cuts would amount to some $12 trillion over the next decade, according to the Tax Foundation. Even after accounting for stronger economic growth, the plan would leave the government more than $10 trillion short over the next 10 years. That money would have to be made up for with more borrowing, dramatically expanding the nation's debt." http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-tax-cuts-costly-194146497.html April 2, 2016 Donald Trump: “We’ve got to get rid of the $19 trillion in debt.” Bob Woodward: “How long would that take?” Trump: “I think I could do it fairly quickly, because of the fact the numbers…” Woodward: “What’s fairly quickly?” Trump: “Well, I would say over a period of eight years. And I’ll tell you why.” Woodward: “Would you ever be open to tax increases as part of that, to solve the problem?” Trump: “I don’t think I’ll need to. The power is trade. Our deals are so bad.” Woodward: “That would be $2 trillion a year.” Trump: “No, but I’m renegotiating all of our deals, Bob. The big trade deals that we’re doing so badly on. With China, $505 billion this year in trade. We’re losing with everybody.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/02/trumps-nonsensical-claim-he-can-eliminate-19-trillion-in-debt-in-eight-years/ Mmmmmm $29 trillion in a decade. The power of crack is strong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #1657 August 8, 2016 Iago***QuoteThe point was to illustrate how uneducated Trump supporters can still be responsible decision makers that are more sucessful than educated liberals. Sorry if thats too much for you to handle. Educated or not, liberal or conservative. Can you give me one good reason to support Trump for POTUS? Is there one? Educated or not, liberal or conservative. Can you give me one good reason to support Clinton for POTUS? Is there one? Nobody is saying you have to vote for Hillary. However, since Trump is in the opinion of a number of bi-partisan groups a threat to national security, you might want to consider not voting for him. Here's an example of a group of 50 GOP members. That ought to tell you something. http://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12404526/donald-trump-national-security-letterquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,260 #1658 August 8, 2016 QuoteTrump: “No, but I’m renegotiating all of our deals, Bob. This is his answer to everything. "What is your plan for situation X?" "I'll make everything better! "How will you do that?" "By being better at everything!" "But what about situation Y?" "I'll change situation Y because I know how to do it better!" "But how will you make it better?" "It's easy because the guys who created situation Y were really bad and I'm really great!" The absolute lack of any content whatsoever is so painfully obvious and yet it still doesn't seem to matter to the droves of people who are just lapping it up. I don't think Trump is like Hitler because I don't think Trump has any ideology at all (I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos!) but for the first time I can really understand how Hitler got himself elected.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,068 #1659 August 8, 2016 Hi Iago, QuoteCan you give me one good reason to support Clinton for POTUS? I fully accept that this is subjective: Because she is competent. She has the experience ( US Senator & Sec of State ). And she was very good at both of those positions. You and others may disagree, but those are some of my reasons. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,929 #1660 August 8, 2016 QuoteCan you give me one good reason to support Clinton for POTUS? Is there one? Are you kidding? Well then, she is a very talented and dedicated professional and skilled policy wonk with a deep understanding of the issues of the day and a plan to deal with them. She has the potential to be one of the most effective presidents of all time because she knows how to get things done. She is practical, pragmatic, and more hard working than almost anyone else. She has decades of experience in both foreign and domestic policy. She is tough, balanced, and thoughtful and will know what to do when hard decisions are called for. And in a day when politicians are looked at with suspicion she also has the advantage of being one of the worst politicians ever to stand for the job. She is awkward and does not come across well on a podium. She is a doer, not a glad handing time wasting, sycophant. She is 10 times the man Trump has ever been or could hope to be yet is very much a woman. Is that enough reasons? And still, no one has given even one reason why anyone would support Trump. And I suspect that is because the true reasons to do so are shameful and his supporters know that.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #1661 August 8, 2016 IagoConsidering career politicians are part of a group generally considered to be liars and thieves, my belief in the credibility of such a 'letter' would be somewhat tempered. You've just questioned the loyalty and national security credibility of 50 professionals in the field. Are you certain you want to call those people "liars and theives" considering who they've worked for and positions they've held? These aren't politicians, they're national security experts who happen to be GOP members.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #1662 August 8, 2016 Iago******Considering career politicians are part of a group generally considered to be liars and thieves, my belief in the credibility of such a 'letter' would be somewhat tempered. You've just questioned the loyalty and national security credibility of 50 professionals in the field. Are you certain you want to call those people "liars and theives" considering who they've worked for and positions they've held? These aren't politicians, they're national security experts who happen to be GOP members. Yup, sounds about right. Gotta stick with the party line. You're making ridiculous statements. Dangerous too.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #1663 August 8, 2016 IagoCan't have these outsiders coming in encroaching on our territory. They might actually expect us to try and do things differently. That could flip over the whole applecart. Again, you're making ridiculous statements. At some point, you actually do have to put some faith in experts. This is one of those times.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,260 #1664 August 8, 2016 QuoteThen a few got kicked in the nuts and all ran to the teacher because they got their nose bloodied. Must have been one hell of a kick in the nuts.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #1665 August 8, 2016 QuoteCan't have these outsiders coming in encroaching on our territory. They might actually expect us to try and do things differently. That could flip over the whole applecart. I know! And we're the worst offenders. Take Nationals. It's run by pretty much the same judges, S+TA's and officials every year. They're all part of the same system. They even use the same airplanes and same rules! And it seems like the same people win every year. Corruption and cronyism! Fraud! Why not bring in some new blood? I am sure a reality TV show would love to take it over, maybe even pay people a little bit! Who doesn't like to be paid, other than communists? They could use awesome airplanes (business jet or Harrier anyone?) and change the events to something people actually care about, like Luke Aiken did. And get those same-old safety people out of there. The USPA is going to hate if smart people with new ideas encroach on the territory that those fossils have owned for decades, but it's time. Why not extra points for pulling low? That way spectators could see more. Why not pyro on every jump? Think of the ratings. Why not have a celebrity on every team? You'd get a lot more people watching if Ben Affleck and Kid Rock were on the top 4-way teams. Why not having people all yell before they pull their string, and then score them on their yells? It would be terrific, stupendous. Everyone would get rich and love it. And if it that didn't happen, that would be because the media is rigged. Sad! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #1666 August 8, 2016 As I said in my first response to you today, you don't have to vote Hillary. However, Trump is a threat to national security so you might want to consider not voting for him. If you want to vote for Johnson, I'm not going to stop you.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #1667 August 8, 2016 > If it was as bad as what everyone says, Trump should be down 15 points, 20 >points, hell maybe even 25! He is down 10 points - and still dropping. Sounds like you're right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #1668 August 8, 2016 Iago***As I said in my first response to you today, you don't have to vote Hillary. However, Trump is a threat to national security so you might want to consider not voting for him. If you want to vote for Johnson, I'm not going to stop you. Of course! A vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary, so why would you try to stop me? No. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson and not a vote for a man with the temperament of a petulant child to have access to the football.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,400 #1669 August 8, 2016 Iago Educated or not, liberal or conservative. Can you give me one good reason to support Clinton for POTUS? Is there one? She is not a psychopath with Narcissistic Personality Disorder."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #1670 August 8, 2016 Iago*********As I said in my first response to you today, you don't have to vote Hillary. However, Trump is a threat to national security so you might want to consider not voting for him. If you want to vote for Johnson, I'm not going to stop you. Of course! A vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary, so why would you try to stop me? No. A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson and not a vote for a man with the temperament of a petulant child to have access to the football. What do you mean? American or European football? Nuclear.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #1671 August 8, 2016 IagoHa! I wonder what's the airspeed velocity of one of those babies. About 15,000 mph.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #1672 August 9, 2016 Coreeece************ ...but the fact remains that uneducated Trump supporters are still financially more successful than educated Clinton supporters - so apparently a high IQ is no substitute for a life experience that equips one to make wise decisions and overcome life's challenges. Do you have data to back that up? Take your pick and enjoy the spin - Apparently they even found a way to turn the success of Trump supporters into a bad thing: The spin is entirely yours. You wrote of "educated Clinton supporters", not all Clinton supporters, and "uneducated Trump supporters", not all Trump supporters. The data you provided do not break down voters by educational level so cannot support your position. Also, the Dem data include many minorities whereas the Trump data are almost exclusively from whites. It is beyond denial that whites get the advantage of far better schools than minorities in the USA, and that minorities are, for the most part, economically disadvantaged for that and for historical reasons. Oh, now you want to start talking about the uneducated democrats and point out all the subtle differences - now all of a sudden things don't seem so black and white. . . It was YOU that brought up "educated Clinton supporters" and "uneducated Trump supporters". Stop with the weaseling.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,400 #1673 August 9, 2016 GOP senator Susan Collins: Why I cannot support Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/gop-senator-why-i-cannot-support-trump/2016/08/08/821095be-5d7e-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #1674 August 9, 2016 quade******QuoteThe point was to illustrate how uneducated Trump supporters can still be responsible decision makers that are more sucessful than educated liberals. Sorry if thats too much for you to handle. Educated or not, liberal or conservative. Can you give me one good reason to support Trump for POTUS? Is there one? Educated or not, liberal or conservative. Can you give me one good reason to support Clinton for POTUS? Is there one? Nobody is saying you have to vote for Hillary. However, since Trump is in the opinion of a number of bi-partisan groups a threat to national security, you might want to consider not voting for him. Here's an example of a group of 50 GOP members. That ought to tell you something. http://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12404526/donald-trump-national-security-letter GOP experts on national security? WTF would they know about it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,651 #1675 August 9, 2016 ryoderGOP senator Susan Collins: Why I cannot support Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/gop-senator-why-i-cannot-support-trump/2016/08/08/821095be-5d7e-11e6-9d2f-b1a3564181a1_story.html A very well written article.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
