Donald Trump Versus Hillary Clinton

[SkyDekker 1,141]

Couple more options, but none are very pretty:

a) racist
b) ignorant of Trump's racism
c) indifferent to Trump's racism but like something else about him (god knows what) which is ignorant
d) don't think Trump is racist Crazy which is ignorant

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So Rubio has just quit.

Does he throw his support to anyone or just go home and cry in a corner quietly.


I'd love to see him support Bernie. Just for the shock value of the announcement.

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So Rubio has just quit.

Does he throw his support to anyone or just go home and cry in a corner quietly.


I'd love to see him support Bernie. Just for the shock value of the announcement.

That would be great!

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"Both of my Republican competitors and Ms. Clinton are such complete arsecunts that I'm forced to ask those few people who did support me to transfer their votes to Mr Bernie Sanders. Because he looks like my grandad."

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"Both of my Republican competitors and Ms. Clinton are such complete arsecunts that I'm forced to ask those few people who did support me to transfer their votes to Mr Bernie Sanders. Because he looks like my grandad."

Rand "screw this, the 4 running are such ass nuggets, and Kasich doesn't look like he'll do any better - I'm back in"

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JerryBaumchen

Hi 0312,

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Trump will get crushed

I tend to agree. However, we are finding that there are a lot of racists & bigots out there. And more will come out of the woodwork in the general election.

***Leave it to the GOP to F it up

Then why doesn't the GOP just kick Trump out of the party? I really do not know if they can; but it would solve the problem for the more middle-of-the-road people.

IMO there are a number of potential GOP candidates that are hoping that Trump cannot secure enough delegates and to throw into a convention decision. JEB, Romney, Kasich, Rubio, et al.

Jerry Baumchen

Great question. He is not a conservative. I think there is a good chance you will see a conservtive 3rd party run. The thought that Hillary will beat Trump anyway makes this decision easy. This would also hopfully mitigate the damage Trump does to the down ballot. I also was going to say I think the GOP needs to consider Obama's SCOTUS appointment but the guy he put up is very anti 2nd Amend. so thats out the window. As a result the SCOTUS will now flip liberal.

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SkyDekker

On a separate note. I do get a chuckle out of China using Trump as proof that democracy doesn't work...

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/china-uses-trump-in-anti-democracy-propaganda.html

Ya

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yoink

So Rubio has just quit.

Does he throw his support to anyone or just go home and cry in a corner quietly.


I'd love to see him support Bernie. Just for the shock value of the announcement.

that's funny for two huge reasons that I am sure you are aware of: 1) Bernie never had a chance of winning 2) Polar opposites.

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Rstanley0312

2) Polar opposites.

let's see, career politicians, driven more by social agendas instead of fiscal thriftiness - sure..... tax and spend, borrow and spend

I'm not seeing the opposites


Bernie's polar opposite was Ron Paul

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Great question. He is not a conservative. I think there is a good chance you will see a conservative 3rd party run. The thought that Hillary will beat Trump anyway makes this decision easy. This would also hopefully mitigate the damage Trump does to the down ballot. I also was going to say I think the GOP needs to consider Obama's SCOTUS appointment but the guy he put up is very anti 2nd Amend. so thats out the window. As a result the SCOTUS will now flip liberal.

The issue with a third party is that the deadlines for most of the state requirements are just after the conventions. Anyone that wants to run as a third party will basically have to join a party that has already managed to get on the ballots in most of the states like the Green, Libertarian or they need to be working on building the grass roots now to get the signatures for every state. At this point none of those parties are willing to accept a known, failed Republican in as their candidate since it goes against their parties ideals. There is no way the Libertarians will let any of the moderate GOP'ers in since none of them were pitching a platform close to what they are looking for. There is a tiny chance that Sanders could run on a Socialist/Communist ticket but that is not going to happen.

What I am curious of is the downstream effect of this nomination cycle. Are you going to have more people coming out and challenging the incumbents if they do not openly back Trump if he gets the nomination during this election cycle? We last saw this during the Tea Partys rise a few years ago, during the primaries the more moderate candidates were losing since the more vocal members of the party, which are the ones more likely to vote in a primary, pushed the "outsider" in. This was mainly done in states with closed primaries where crossing party lines is not permitted. At the election due to Gerrymandering a lot of the competition was already over since the districts were "safe". Many of these people including Cruz have been finding it hard to get anything done in DC since its a game of horse trading and they see compromise as the worst thing possible.

For the left they have been having their own issues where Sanders has been forcing Hillary to move her policies more to the left and away from the centrist view she was trying to walk. this is going to cost her some of the crossover vote with moderates on the right side. This is also going potentially cause a lot of those voters to just not vote this year since they are looking a giant douche and a turd sandwich as their choices.

I did see comments today online calling Rubio, Kasich, Boener, Paul Ryan, and even FOX News RINO's because they were willing to talk to democrats and were unable to accomplish 100% of the agenda that is being pushed. Fox was being called out for attacking a popular candidate and not spending all of their time trying to bury Hillary. Politics are getting even more depressing than normal right now.

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rehmwa

*** 2) Polar opposites.

let's see, career politicians, driven more by social agendas instead of fiscal thriftiness - sure..... tax and spend, borrow and spend

I'm not seeing the opposites


Bernie's polar opposite was Ron Paul

Rubio is not a career politician Bernie is. Rubio is not driven by social agendas either.

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PhreeZone

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Great question. He is not a conservative. I think there is a good chance you will see a conservative 3rd party run. The thought that Hillary will beat Trump anyway makes this decision easy. This would also hopefully mitigate the damage Trump does to the down ballot. I also was going to say I think the GOP needs to consider Obama's SCOTUS appointment but the guy he put up is very anti 2nd Amend. so thats out the window. As a result the SCOTUS will now flip liberal.

The issue with a third party is that the deadlines for most of the state requirements are just after the conventions. Anyone that wants to run as a third party will basically have to join a party that has already managed to get on the ballots in most of the states like the Green, Libertarian or they need to be working on building the grass roots now to get the signatures for every state. At this point none of those parties are willing to accept a known, failed Republican in as their candidate since it goes against their parties ideals. There is no way the Libertarians will let any of the moderate GOP'ers in since none of them were pitching a platform close to what they are looking for. There is a tiny chance that Sanders could run on a Socialist/Communist ticket but that is not going to happen.

What I am curious of is the downstream effect of this nomination cycle. Are you going to have more people coming out and challenging the incumbents if they do not openly back Trump if he gets the nomination during this election cycle? We last saw this during the Tea Partys rise a few years ago, during the primaries the more moderate candidates were losing since the more vocal members of the party, which are the ones more likely to vote in a primary, pushed the "outsider" in. This was mainly done in states with closed primaries where crossing party lines is not permitted. At the election due to Gerrymandering a lot of the competition was already over since the districts were "safe". Many of these people including Cruz have been finding it hard to get anything done in DC since its a game of horse trading and they see compromise as the worst thing possible.

For the left they have been having their own issues where Sanders has been forcing Hillary to move her policies more to the left and away from the centrist view she was trying to walk. this is going to cost her some of the crossover vote with moderates on the right side. This is also going potentially cause a lot of those voters to just not vote this year since they are looking a giant douche and a turd sandwich as their choices.

I did see comments today online calling Rubio, Kasich, Boener, Paul Ryan, and even FOX News RINO's because they were willing to talk to democrats and were unable to accomplish 100% of the agenda that is being pushed. Fox was being called out for attacking a popular candidate and not spending all of their time trying to bury Hillary. Politics are getting even more depressing than normal right now.

There is also the constitution party. It's something like that.

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SkyDekker

***Im telling you, it took awhile before Stalin, Hitler etc had the power, and it developet slowly over time.

Trump is just the beginning of a new erea. It is not only happening in US, it happens all over the western world, and the the Middle east is also getting more polarized.

This.

Good thing we have all those guns. . .

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jakee

How is Trump tapping into the anger of people who aren't racist, bigoted or stupid? What is he offering the people who are none of those things?

Money - So you may want to add greedy to your list of pejoratives.

Pretty soon it'll be all inclusive.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Coreeece

******Im telling you, it took awhile before Stalin, Hitler etc had the power, and it developet slowly over time.

Trump is just the beginning of a new erea. It is not only happening in US, it happens all over the western world, and the the Middle east is also getting more polarized.

This.

Good thing we have all those guns. . .

So did Iraq.

Plus I have a feeling more than a few proud gun owners would be more than happy to use their arsenal to help round up muslims and Mexicans.

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billvon

>A layman knows if he's spending to much he cuts back his spending and maybe gets a second job -
>Washington elite can't figure that one out.

So they are supporting the guy who is going to buy a ten million dollar house and just get someone else to pay for it. Maybe. Somehow.

As I mentioned before, rational justifications don't have much to do with support for Trump. They seem to be operating from the position of "government sucks - let's break it!"

What BillVon says. +1. Trump's popularity is easy to explain.

I always laugh at what presidential candidates, even sophisticated ones, promise to do if elected. They act like the legislative and the judicial systems do not even exist. No pres can overturn a Supreme Court decision or amend the Constitution. Nor can they unilaterally levy or cancel taxes. But you'd never guess that from the campaign promises made.

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I always laugh at what presidential candidates, even sophisticated ones, promise to do if elected. They act like the legislative and the judicial systems do not even exist.

That doesn't reflect badly on the candidate, it reflects badly on the people believing the candidate.

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377

I always laugh at what presidential candidates, even sophisticated ones, promise to do if elected. They act like the legislative and the judicial systems do not even exist. No pres can overturn a Supreme Court decision or amend the Constitution. Nor can they unilaterally levy or cancel taxes. But you'd never guess that from the campaign promises made.

Nor can they order proud gun owners and the National Guard to round up Muslims and Mexicans.

Don't believe the hype folks. . .

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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SkyDekker

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I always laugh at what presidential candidates, even sophisticated ones, promise to do if elected. They act like the legislative and the judicial systems do not even exist.

That doesn't reflect badly on the candidate, it reflects badly on the people believing the candidate.

Like you?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Coreeece

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I always laugh at what presidential candidates, even sophisticated ones, promise to do if elected. They act like the legislative and the judicial systems do not even exist.

That doesn't reflect badly on the candidate, it reflects badly on the people believing the candidate.

Like you?

Sure, whatever makes you feel better!

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SkyDekker

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I always laugh at what presidential candidates, even sophisticated ones, promise to do if elected. They act like the legislative and the judicial systems do not even exist.

That doesn't reflect badly on the candidate, it reflects badly on the people believing the candidate.

Like you?

Sure, whatever makes you feel better!

You wholeheartedly agreed that Trump is the beginning of a new Era leading to people like Stalin, Hitler etc. - and that proud gun owners will start rounding up Muslims and Mexicans. . .

You agree with this in part because you believe what he promises. Or maybe you just act like you believe it so you can spout off.

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You wholeheartedly agreed that Trump is the beginning of a new Era leading to people like Stalin, Hitler etc. - and that proud gun owners will start rounding up Muslims and Mexicans. . .

Either a straw man or your reading comprehension is a little off.

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You agree with this in part because you believe what he promises.

Red herring.

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SkyDekker

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You wholeheartedly agreed that Trump is the beginning of a new Era leading to people like Stalin, Hitler etc. - and that proud gun owners will start rounding up Muslims and Mexicans. . .

Either a straw man or your reading comprehension is a little off.

Are you suggesting that 434 didn't compare Trump to Hitler and Stalin? Then wtf was the point of bringing up Hitler and Stalin?

Hell dude, you even started a thread called Adolf Trump where you made the analogy of Hitler/Jews vs Trump/Muslims.

Also, are you denying your claim that proud gun owners would be happy to round up Muslims and Mexicans? Is that not an allusion to Trumps idea of not allowing Muslims into the country, and deporting millions of illegals?

SkyDekker

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You agree with this in part because you believe what he promises.

Red herring.

You were the one that made the comment about people believing in what the candidates promised.

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Are you suggesting that 434 didn't compare Trump to Hitler and Stalin? Then wtf was the point of bringing up Hitler and Stalin?

Not at all. And I do believe Trump is using tactics very similar to Hitler and tapping into very similar emotions. However that is not the same as:

"You wholeheartedly agreed that Trump is the beginning of a new Era"

I said that in my opion more than a few proud gun owners would be more than happy to use their arsenal to help round up Mexicans and muslims.

Again, that isn't the same as saying that:

"proud gun owners will start rounding up Muslims and Mexicans"

You are using all kinds of logical fallacies to try and manufacture something.

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You were the one that made the comment about people believing in what the candidates promised.

Yes. And how that says more about the people than the candidate. The red herring comes into play when you make up some position for me and then suggest the comment reflects on me.

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