Hey Democrats. Do you think your primary vote matters?

[DanG 1]

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And the same will be said about ANY republican candidate as the election cycle continues.

My prediction continues to be shown to be true.

But know this. It is not really a hard prediction to make. Been the same for decades.

No, it's a pretty easy prediction when the Republicans keep nominating the people they do. I don't recall anyone calling McCain or Romney stupid or crazy. They certainly did for Palin. Hmm, why could that be?

- Dan G

[rushmc 18]

DanG

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And the same will be said about ANY republican candidate as the election cycle continues.

My prediction continues to be shown to be true.

But know this. It is not really a hard prediction to make. Been the same for decades.

No, it's a pretty easy prediction when the Republicans keep nominating the people they do. I don't recall anyone calling McCain or Romney stupid or crazy. They certainly did for Palin. Hmm, why could that be?

And it continues

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 622]

Clearly a reference to your spectacular discussion skills again.


You can't see the truth in front of your own face. Ever.

[rushmc 18]

normiss

Clearly a reference to your spectacular discussion skills again.


You can't see the truth in front of your own face. Ever.

Sure. Whatever you say skippy

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,127]

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And the same will be said about ANY republican candidate as the election cycle continues.

No it won't. At least not any more than right leaning press will be hard on Democratic candidates.

[rushmc 18]

SkyDekker

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And the same will be said about ANY republican candidate as the election cycle continues.

No it won't. At least not any more than right leaning press will be hard on Democratic candidates.

Seeing the world with your eyes wide closed



again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,127]

rushmc

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And the same will be said about ANY republican candidate as the election cycle continues.

No it won't. At least not any more than right leaning press will be hard on Democratic candidates.

Seeing the world with your eyes wide closed



again

Just not agreeing with you. The Republicans suffer from the same problem as the Canadian Conservatives, just to a larger extent.

The centre right has been unable to uncouple themselves from the far right. The left has done a better job of that. The result is that the centre right constantly has to deal with far right candidates making statements which make them totally unelectable.

As an outsider looking in, the current crop of Republican candidates is pretty laughable. But then, your political landscape has become so incredibly viscous, why would anybody want to throw their hat in the ring?

[rushmc 18]

SkyDekker

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And the same will be said about ANY republican candidate as the election cycle continues.

No it won't. At least not any more than right leaning press will be hard on Democratic candidates.

Seeing the world with your eyes wide closed



again

Just not agreeing with you. The Republicans suffer from the same problem as the Canadian Conservatives, just to a larger extent.

The centre right has been unable to uncouple themselves from the far right. The left has done a better job of that. The result is that the centre right constantly has to deal with far right candidates making statements which make them totally unelectable.

As an outsider looking in, the current crop of Republican candidates is pretty laughable. But then, your political landscape has become so incredibly viscous, why would anybody want to throw their hat in the ring?

the right in the US has not moved to the right
The left however has been on a constant journey

If you do not agree
Tell me sir

Where has the republican party MOVED to the right?

Answer?
You can not name one as is has not moved

It appears to move because we got guys like Sanders so far left he cant even see the right.

You are generalizing and still failing at making your point

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 1,632]

rushmc

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And the same will be said about ANY republican candidate as the election cycle continues.

No it won't. At least not any more than right leaning press will be hard on Democratic candidates.

Seeing the world with your eyes wide closed



again

Just not agreeing with you. The Republicans suffer from the same problem as the Canadian Conservatives, just to a larger extent.

The centre right has been unable to uncouple themselves from the far right. The left has done a better job of that. The result is that the centre right constantly has to deal with far right candidates making statements which make them totally unelectable.

As an outsider looking in, the current crop of Republican candidates is pretty laughable. But then, your political landscape has become so incredibly viscous, why would anybody want to throw their hat in the ring?

the right in the US has not moved to the right
The left however has been on a constant journey



More nonsense from Marc. All you have to do is read the GOP platforms under Eisenhower, Nixon or Reagan and compare with the current GOP positions to see how far to the right the GOP has moved.

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[normiss 622]

Do you consider the possibility that you're proving his point?

Farther right, as in more insane religious minded laws?
That's the movement I see, too much god bullshit in their platform, too many religiously intended laws impacting citizens.
Central Florida senator is trying to move a bill through for a law to protect religious groups from being forced to comply with federal equal rights legislation. Apparently, he wants to legalize hatred and unconstitutional treatment of fellow citizens. His spew of insane paranoia is laughable. Much like the rattling of governors thinking they can block refugees.
Why can't I buy a god damn beer on Sunday?
Why are they so concerned with other people's genitalia?
Soooo much crazy.
Soooo much hatred for fellow humans.

[cvfd1399 0]

Not wanting to start a new thread but it is sort of politically topically related what do think of this.

I have called for this before from a cost lowering standpoint, get this crap off my tv standpoint, it's a win win. Your doctor needs to know what's best for you. Unless it is over the counter it should not be on tv.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/645dff9967b04f12b863a9229b724d97/american-medical-association-backs-prescription-drug-ad-ban

As far as I know we are one of the only country's that allow it.

[normiss 622]

Even over the counter homeopathic products shouldn't be advertised on TV IMO.
Remember Zicam messing people up?

[billvon 2,402]

>the right in the US has not moved to the right

The right has moved so far to the right that Ronald Reagan, once a Republican hero (and about as conservative as they got in the 1980s) would now be an unelectable centrist.

>Where has the republican party MOVED to the right?

Reagan:

-raised taxes to support huge government projects (Star Wars)
-raised the debt ceiling 18 times
-tripled the size of the federal budget
-gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants
-gave up on privatizing social security and instead bailed it out with taxpayer money via a tax increase
-was a pro-choice governor
-he dreamed of eliminating WMD's. "My dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.”
-he sent weapons to Iran
-he created the Taliban by funding Islamic terrorists.

Name one current GOP candidate that espouses even half of those.

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>the right in the US has not moved to the right

The right has moved so far to the right that Ronald Reagan, once a Republican hero (and about as conservative as they got in the 1980s) would now be an unelectable centrist.

>Where has the republican party MOVED to the right?

Reagan:

-raised taxes to support huge government projects (Star Wars)
-raised the debt ceiling 18 times
-tripled the size of the federal budget
-gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants
-gave up on privatizing social security and instead bailed it out with taxpayer money via a tax increase
-was a pro-choice governor
-he dreamed of eliminating WMD's. "My dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.”
-he sent weapons to Iran
-he created the Taliban by funding Islamic terrorists.

Name one current GOP candidate that espouses even half of those.

None of them I hope
Even though a few are bogus re-writes of history

But
Regan is NOT the party
Just like McCain is NOT the party or the people in it nation wide

The Dems have steadily moved left since I started paying attention
The rate of this move has accelerated under Obama AND the compliant republican establishment that is letting him do this

And remember
Regan "evolved" later in his life

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,402]

>Even though a few are bogus re-writes of history

Which ones?

>The Dems have steadily moved left since I started paying attention

I named nine ways the republicans have moved far right. Can you name even four ways the democrats have moved far left?

>Regan is NOT the party

Regan(sic) WAS the Republican party while he was in office. That's why so many republicans worshiped him, wrote books about him, quoted his "commandments" etc.

But if you are arguing "well, Reagan didn't really represent today's GOP" then thank you - you have just proven my point.

[gowlerk 1,915]

Funny!

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Regan is NOT the party

I'm sure you meant Reagan, was not the party. But he was chosen by the party. There is zero chance someone with his policies would be chosen today.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[rehmwa 2]

Funny about you two arguing and pointing only at the 'other side'

IMO - both sides have moved out. the net result is a lot of crap hits those in the middle - who have to pay for it all.

Seriously - get rid of the influence the fringies have on each party and we'd still be in a mess, but at least we'd have hope that we can clean it up. as it is, it still stinks.

why do you think non-policians (no matter how wacky) are getting so much support. I was just hoping both parties would bring in non-career politicians. So very tired of entrenched pols that pander to their fringes.

It's just a matter of time.

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[JerryBaumchen 1,049]

Hi rush,

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The Dems have steadily moved left since I started paying attention

Do you have a science based education?

If you did, you would understand that as you move to the right, everyone else appears to be moving the left.

Just something to consider,

Jerry Baumchen

PS) In 1980 G W Bush campaigned in Oregon for the Rep Presidential nomination. At that time he was pro-choice and thought Reagan's policies were voodoo economics. Do you think he changed his mind when Reagan asked him to be his running mate?

[rushmc 18]

JerryBaumchen

Hi rush,

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The Dems have steadily moved left since I started paying attention

Do you have a science based education?

If you did, you would understand that as you move to the right, everyone else appears to be moving the left.

Just something to consider,

Jerry Baumchen

PS) In 1980 G W Bush campaigned in Oregon for the Rep Presidential nomination. At that time he was pro-choice and thought Reagan's policies were voodoo economics. Do you think he changed his mind when Reagan asked him to be his running mate?

That is what the left is doing
It seems what you are doing as well
And I did not agree with much of what Bush did domestically

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[headoverheels 291]

JerryBaumchen

PS) In 1980 G W Bush campaigned in Oregon for the Rep Presidential nomination.

G H W Bush?

[JerryBaumchen 1,049]

Hi heels,

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G H W Bush?

My apologies; a very dumb typo. Poor proof reading on my part.



And thanks for the correction,

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 1,632]

Some direct quotes from the 1956 GOP platform:

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We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs—expansion of social security—broadened coverage in unemployment insurance —improved housing—and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.

To these beliefs we commit ourselves as we present this record and declare our goals for the future.


In four years we have achieved the highest economic level with the most widely shared benefits that the world has ever seen. We of the Republican Party have fostered this prosperity and are dedicated to its expansion and to the preservation of the climate in which it has thrived.

...
We shall continue vigorously to support the United Nations.

We shall continue to oppose the seating of Communist China in the United Nations.

...
America does not prosper unless all Americans prosper.

Government must have a heart as well as a head.


Declaration of Determination

In the interest of complete public understanding, elaboration of Republican aspirations and achievements is desirable in the areas of broadest public concern.

Dynamic Economy—Free Labor
Then, insofar as consistent with a balanced budget, we pledge to work toward these additional objectives:

Further reductions in taxes with particular consideration for low and middle income families.

Continual study of additional ways to correct inequities in the effect of various taxes.
...

To meet the immense demands of our expanding economy, we have initiated the largest highway, air and maritime programs in history, each soundly financed.

We recognize the United States' world leadership in aviation, and we shall continue to encourage its technical development and vigorous expansion. Our goal is to support and sponsor air services and to make available to our citizens the safest and most comprehensive air transportation. We favor adequate funds and expeditious action in improving air safety, and highest efficiency in the control of air traffic.

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Labor

Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.
...

The Eisenhower Administration will continue to fight for dynamic and progressive programs which, among other things, will:

Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the States, employees and employers;

Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

Clarify and strengthen the eight-hour laws for the benefit of workers who are subject to federal wage standards on Federal and Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public. The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration.

Human Welfare and Advancement

Health, Education and Welfare

The Republican Party believes that the physical, mental, and spiritual well-being of the people is as important as their economic health. It will continue to support this conviction with vigorous action.

Republican action created the Department of Health, Education and Welfare as the first new Federal department in 40 years, to raise the continuing consideration of these problems for the first time to the highest council of Government, the President's Cabinet.

Through the White House Conference on Education, our Republican Administration initiated the most comprehensive Community-State-Federal attempt ever made to solve the pressing problems of primary and secondary education.

Four thousand communities, studying their school populations and their physical and financial resources, encouraged our Republican Administration to urge a five-year program of Federal assistance in building schools to relieve a critical classroom shortage.

The Republican Party will renew its efforts to enact a program based on sound principles of need and designed to encourage increased state and local efforts to build more classrooms.

Our Administration also proposed for the first time in history, a thorough nation-wide analysis of rapidly growing problems in education beyond the high schools.

The Republican Party is determined to press all such actions that will help insure that every child has the educational opportunity to advance to his own greatest capacity.

We have fully resolved to continue our steady gains in man's unending struggle against disease and disability.

We have supported the distribution of free vaccine to protect millions of children against dreaded polio.

Republican leadership has enlarged Federal assistance for construction of hospitals, emphasizing low-cost care of chronic diseases and the special problems of older persons, and increased Federal aid for medical care of the needy.

We have asked the largest increase in research funds ever sought in one year to intensify attacks on cancer, mental illness, heart disease and other dread diseases.

...
We have encouraged a notable expansion and improvement of voluntary health insurance, and urge that reinsurance and pooling arrangements be authorized to speed this progress.

We have strengthened the Food and Drug Administration, and we have increased the vocational rehabilitation program to enable a larger number of the disabled to return to satisfying activity.

We have supported measures that have made more housing available than ever before in history, reduced urban slums in local-federal partnership, stimulated record home ownership, and authorized additional low-rent public housing.

We initiated the first flood insurance program in history under Government sponsorship in cooperation with private enterprise.

We shall continue to seek extension and perfection of a sound social security system.

We pledge close cooperation with State, local and private agencies to reduce the ghastly toll of fatalities on the Nation's highways.

...

To continue and expand the Republican-sponsored school milk program, to encourage further use of the school lunch program now benefiting 11 million children, and to foster improved nutritional levels;




...

Civil Service.

We will vigorously promote, as we have in the past, a non-political career service under the merit system which will attract and retain able servants of the people. Many gains in this field, notably pay increases and a host of new benefits, have been achieved in their behalf in less than four years.

The Republican Party will continue to fight for eagerly desired new advances for Government employees, and realistic reappraisement and adjustment of benefits for our retired civil service personnel.

...

Equal Rights.

We recommend to Congress the submission of a constitutional amendment providing equal rights for men and women.

...

The Republican Party has unequivocally recognized that the supreme law of the land is embodied in the Constitution, which guarantees to all people the blessings of liberty, due process and equal protection of the laws. It confers upon all native-born and naturalized citizens not only citizenship in the State where the individual resides but citizenship of the United States as well. This is an unqualified right, regardless of race, creed or color.

The Republican Party accepts the decision of the U.S.. Supreme Court that racial discrimination in publicly supported schools must be progressively eliminated. We concur in the conclusion of the Supreme Court that its decision directing school desegregation should be accomplished with "all deliberate speed" locally through Federal District Courts. The implementation order of the Supreme Court recognizes the complex and acutely emotional problems created by its decision in certain sections of our country where racial patterns have been developed in accordance with prior and long-standing decisions of the same tribunal.

We believe that true progress can be attained through intelligent study, understanding, education and good will. Use of force or violence by any group or agency will tend only to worsen the many problems inherent in the situation. This progress must be encouraged and the work of the courts supported in every legal manner by all branches of the Federal Government to the end that the constitutional ideal of the law, regardless of race, creed or color, be steadily achieved.

Immigration

The Republican Party supports an immigration policy which is in keeping with the traditions of America in providing a haven for oppressed peoples, and which is based on equality of treatment, freedom from implications of discrimination between racial, nationality and religious groups, and flexible enough to conform to changing needs and conditions.

We believe that such a policy serves our self-interest, reflects our responsibility for world leadership and develops maximum cooperation with other nations in resolving problems in this area.

We support the President's program submitted to the 84th Congress to carry out needed modifications in existing law and to take such further steps as may be necessary to carry out our traditional policy.

In that concept, this Republican Administration sponsored the Refugee Relief Act to provide asylum for thousands of refugees, expellees and displaced persons, and undertook in the face of Democrat opposition to correct the inequities in existing law and to bring our immigration policies in line with the dynamic needs of the country and principles of equity and justice.

We believe also that the Congress should consider the extension of the Refugee Relief Act of 1953 in resolving this difficult refugee problem which resulted from world conflict. To all this we give our wholehearted support.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[JerryBaumchen 1,049]

Hi John,

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1956 GOP platform

That was very interesting. As I have said for many years ( 42+ yrs as a Republican ), I did not leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.

It's too bad rushmc cannot see or understand that.

Who's going to the right - who's going to the left: It is very simple geometry.

Jerry Baumchen

[LyraM45 0]

rushmc

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And the same will be said about ANY republican candidate as the election cycle continues.

No it won't. At least not any more than right leaning press will be hard on Democratic candidates.

Seeing the world with your eyes wide closed



again

Just not agreeing with you. The Republicans suffer from the same problem as the Canadian Conservatives, just to a larger extent.

The centre right has been unable to uncouple themselves from the far right. The left has done a better job of that. The result is that the centre right constantly has to deal with far right candidates making statements which make them totally unelectable.

As an outsider looking in, the current crop of Republican candidates is pretty laughable. But then, your political landscape has become so incredibly viscous, why would anybody want to throw their hat in the ring?

the right in the US has not moved to the right
The left however has been on a constant journey

If you do not agree
Tell me sir

Where has the republican party MOVED to the right?

Answer?
You can not name one as is has not moved

It appears to move because we got guys like Sanders so far left he cant even see the right.

You are generalizing and still failing at making your point


I don't think he was saying the party has moved to the right, but instead the candidates who are center/right have not done as good job separating themselves from the candidates who are far right. As an independent looking for that center/right candidate, I would have to agree with him. If they can get a candidate to take hold of a spot center/right without any non-sense taking over from the far right, the republicans might have an electable candidate that people, including young independents, will listen to.

Apologies for the spelling (and grammar).... I got a B.S, not a B.A. :)

[rehmwa 2]

LyraM45

candidates who are center/right have not done as good job separating themselves from the candidates who are far right. As an independent looking for that center/right candidate, I would have to agree with him. If they can get a candidate to take hold of a spot center/right without any non-sense taking over from the far right, the republicans might have an electable candidate that people, including young independents, will listen to.

that's also nicely put

I think the primary process is a big contributor to the push out to the fanatics on both sides

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants