AGW +2C? +6C? It has happened before.

[billvon 2,400]

>One has to run to other more expensive energy sources to make the electric car pay

I charge mine from a solar power system. So no, you don't have to do that.

>So that is why the demonization of coal fired plants

No, they are demonized because they kill thousands of people.

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Everyone’s heard of the carbon footprint of different energy sources, the largest footprint belonging to coal because every kWhr of energy produced emits about 900 grams of CO2. Wind and nuclear have the smallest carbon footprint with only 15 g emitted per kWhr, and that mainly from concrete production, construction, and mining of steel and uranium. . . .

But an energy’s deathprint, as it is called, is rarely discussed. The deathprint is the number of people killed by one kind of energy or another per kWhr produced and, like the carbon footprint, coal is the worst and wind and nuclear are the best. According to the World Health Organization, the Centers for Disease Control, the National Academy of Science and many health studies over the last decade (NAS 2010), the adverse impacts on health become a significant effect for fossil fuel and biofuel/biomass sources (see especially Brian Wang for an excellent synopsis).

Energy Source|| Mortality Rate (deaths/trillionkWhr)

Coal – global average || 170,000 (50% global electricity)
Coal – China|| 280,000 (75% China’s electricity)
Coal – U.S. || 15,000 (44% U.S. electricity)
Oil || 36,000 (36% of energy, 8% of electricity)
Natural Gas || 4,000 (20% global electricity)
Solar (rooftop) || 440 (< 1% global electricity)
Wind || 150 (~ 1% global electricity)
Hydro – global average || 1,400 (15% global electricity)
Nuclear – global average || 90 (17% global electricity w/Chern&Fukush)

It is notable that the U.S. death rates for coal are so much lower than for China, strictly a result of regulation and the Clean Air Act (Scott et al., 2005). It is also notable that the Clean Air Act is one of the most life-saving pieces of legislation ever adopted by any country in history. Still, about 10,000 die from coal use in the U.S. each year, and another thousand from natural gas. Hydro is dominated by a few rare large dam failures like Banqiao in China in 1976 which killed about 171,000 people. Workers still regularly fall off wind turbines during maintenance but since relatively little electricity production comes from wind, the totals deaths are small. Nuclear has the lowest deathprint, even with the worst-case Chernobyl numbers and Fukushima projections.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2012/06/10/energys-deathprint-a-price-always-paid/

[rushmc 18]

I always love the death rate numbers

They usually still smell like shit because of the ass they were pulled out of

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[brenthutch 383]

If you really want to see some carnage, shut down all coal fired power plants.

[billvon 2,400]

> If you really want to see some carnage, shut down all coal fired power plants.

Funny, we heard the same thing about the closing of San Onofre here. Not much carnage (other than to ratepayers.)

[billvon 2,400]

>They usually still smell like shit because of the ass they were pulled out of

So studies from the World Health Organization, the Center for Disease Control, the National Academy of Science, Lancet, the Union of Concerned Scientists and the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine are "shit pulled out of someone's ass."

Meanwhile, you believe anything posted on wattsupwiththat.com or NewsMax 100%.

A perfect example of what RushMC considers "science."

[SkyDekker 1,122]

It does have some truthiness to it.....feel it in my belly!

[billvon 2,400]

>It does have some truthiness to it.....feel it in my belly!

Well, you know, you do have more nerve endings in your belly than in your brain.

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>They usually still smell like shit because of the ass they were pulled out of

So studies from the World Health Organization, the Center for Disease Control, the National Academy of Science, Lancet, the Union of Concerned Scientists and the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine are "shit pulled out of someone's ass."

Meanwhile, you believe anything posted on wattsupwiththat.com or NewsMax 100%.

A perfect example of what RushMC considers "science."

No
More of an example of what you consider science

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

billvon

>They usually still smell like shit because of the ass they were pulled out of

So studies from the World Health Organization, the Center for Disease Control, the National Academy of Science, Lancet, the Union of Concerned Scientists and the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine are "shit pulled out of someone's ass."

Meanwhile, you believe anything posted on wattsupwiththat.com or NewsMax 100%.

A perfect example of what RushMC considers "science."

Take the Union of Concerned Scientists out and the group will look more legit. It's like citing a study by the society for the Advancement of Petrochemicals in the Environment. We know what the study will show.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kallend 1,623]

rushmc

***>They usually still smell like shit because of the ass they were pulled out of

So studies from the World Health Organization, the Center for Disease Control, the National Academy of Science, Lancet, the Union of Concerned Scientists and the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine are "shit pulled out of someone's ass."

Meanwhile, you believe anything posted on wattsupwiththat.com or NewsMax 100%.

A perfect example of what RushMC considers "science."

No
More of an example of what you consider science

What are your credentials that allow you to decide what is and is not science?

This may be a democracy, but that doesn't mean that ignorance is worth the same as knowledge.

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,400]

>What are your credentials that allow you to decide what is and is not science?

He reads Newsmax, not like all the sheeple who watch MSNBC!

Good graphical depiction on the causes of climate change:

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/?cmpid=BBD062415_BIZ

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>What are your credentials that allow you to decide what is and is not science?

He reads Newsmax, not like all the sheeple who watch MSNBC!

Good graphical depiction on the causes of climate change:

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/?cmpid=BBD062415_BIZ

You are tapped into my computer now

You got it all covered

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Remster 24]

billvon

>What are your credentials that allow you to decide what is and is not science?

He reads Newsmax, not like all the sheeple who watch MSNBC!

Good graphical depiction on the causes of climate change:

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/?cmpid=BBD062415_BIZ

95% confidence huh... So you're saying they're a chance!

Remster

[billvon 2,400]

>Take the Union of Concerned Scientists out and the group will look more legit.

Uh - OK. I will take them out and add this one.

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Top doctors' prescription for feverish planet: Cut out coal
Tue, 06/23/2015 - 9:30am
SETH BORENSTEIN AP Science Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Some top international doctors and public health experts have issued an urgent prescription for a feverish planet Earth: Get off coal as soon as possible.

Substituting cleaner energy worldwide for coal will reduce air pollution and give Earth a better chance at avoiding dangerous climate change, recommended a global health commission organized by the prestigious British medical journal Lancet. The panel said hundreds of thousands of lives each year are at stake and global warming "threatens to undermine the last half century of gains in development and global health."

It's like a cigarette smoker with lung problems: Doctors can treat the disease, but the first thing that has to be done is to get the patient to stop smoking, or in this case get off coal in the next five years, commission officials said in interviews.

"The prescription for patient Earth is that we've got a limited amount of time to fix things," said commission co-chairman Dr. Anthony Costello, a pediatrician and director of the Global Health Institute at the University College of London. "We've got a real challenge particularly with carbon pollution."

He called it a "medical emergency" that could eventually dwarf the deadly toll of HIV in the 1980s. He and others said burning coal does more than warm the Earth, but causes even more deaths from other types of air pollution that hurt people's breathing and hearts.

. . .

"Virtually everything that you want to do to tackle climate change has health benefits," Costello said. "We're going to cut heart attacks, strokes, diabetes."

. . .

Harvard School of Public Health epidemiologist Joel Schwartz called the Lancet study's coal phase-out "a reasonable prescription for planet Earth. Burning coal has terrible health effects, is bad for global warming and it is destructive of the ecosystem."

http://www.ecnmag.com/news/2015/06/top-doctors-prescription-feverish-planet-cut-out-coal

[rushmc 18]

All political agendas

Agendas you agree with

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,400]

>All political agendas

Yep. Like the theory of evolution, the theory behind vaccines, paleontology, microbiology, the risks of smoking - all just political agendas that you can ignore because they disagree with your ideology. And while you cannot get away with ignoring science in the real world, you can ignore it on the Internet for decades.

[rushmc 18]

You think you are getting away with ignoring data observations. Nuff said

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,400]

>You think you are getting away with ignoring data observations. Nuff said

Here are some data observations:

Year / Rank / Temperature above baseline
2014 / 1 / .69
2010 / 2 / .65
2005 / 3 / .65
1998 / 4 /.63

The only remaining question is whether you will ignore them or deny them. What will it be today?

[rushmc 18]

Yep. That is the one set you like. To hell with the more accurate data sets out there

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,400]

>Yep. That is the one set you like. To hell with the more accurate data sets out there

So today you are set to "deny." I give it a week before you swing back to "ignore."

[kallend 1,623]

What are your credentials that allow you to decide what is and is not science?

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 18]

billvon

>Yep. That is the one set you like. To hell with the more accurate data sets out there

So today you are set to "deny." I give it a week before you swing back to "ignore."

I can be just as subborn are you are and have just as many (probably more) good reasons to do so.

See
I can go after the poster too

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

billvon

>Yep. That is the one set you like. To hell with the more accurate data sets out there

So today you are set to "deny." I give it a week before you swing back to "ignore."

Nu-Uh. That's "ignore." Because he's ignoring your data in favor of his data.

You know, the "more accurate" ones that he likes better.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[billvon 2,400]

>Nu-Uh. That's "ignore." Because he's ignoring your data in favor of his data.

Perhaps. Although his knee-jerk reaction is generally to deny anything that demonstrates climate change, without being in favor of alternative data. (At least until he has time to Google wattsupwiththat.com.)

[Anvilbrother 0]

billvon

>Nu-Uh. That's "ignore." Because he's ignoring your data in favor of his data.

Perhaps. Although his knee-jerk reaction is generally to deny anything that demonstrates climate change, without being in favor of alternative data. (At least until he has time to Google wattsupwiththat.com.)

Does he deny ANY climate change, or the notion that change is totally man made and not natural?

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