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The Obama administration has delayed a decision on the controversial Keystone XL pipeline project, perhaps until after November's midterm election.



What they don't think they have the expertise on hand right now to make the correct decision? They are hoping someone more qualified will get elected after November? No we Americans are just getting fucked again by politics!

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Im not even talking about the keystone pipeline, im talking about how all politicians are more worried about getting reelected than doing their job. Do your job and stand behind your decision even if it gets you fired.

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>im talking about how all politicians are more worried about getting reelected than
>doing their job.

They got 2,500,000 comments on the Keystone public comment period; it's going to take a while to get through them.

Should they ignore the public comments they asked for? Would that be "doing their jobs?" Or would they be attacked for giving the public the finger? (rhetorical question)

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Then say we will need to wait to go through all the information we have available, not tell the public a vote will have to wait on an unpopular topic until an upcoming election is over.

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Did the White House actually say they were delaying the decision until "after the next election", or is that Fox news spin? You didn't bother to link the source of your quote.

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>Then say we will need to wait to go through all the information we have available,

?? That's what they said.

> not tell the public a vote will have to wait on an unpopular topic until an upcoming election is over.

They didn't say that. (Although I am sure some news organization did.)

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Andy9o8

So ignore the spin. What does your gut tell you?

I'd assume they're taking their sweet time with a politically problematic decision. :)

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Good thing the current US Politicians weren't in charge during WW2.

Pathetic that a bunch of supposedly smart people cant make a decision in less time than WW2 took...

Cant make a decision that goes against the polls or interest groups...

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ABC NEWS
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/us-delays-review-keystone-xl-pipeline-23384820
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The Obama administration is putting off its decision on the Keystone XL oil pipeline, likely until after the November elections, by extending its review of the controversial project indefinitely.



MSNBC NEWS
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-delays-keystone-xl-decision

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The Obama administration is delaying its decision on whether to approve the Keystone XL pipeline and is not expected to make any choice until after the midterm elections in November.



REUTERS
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/18/usa-keystone-idUSL2N0NA0L020140418

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The U.S. State Department announced on Friday it is extending the government comment period on the Keystone XL pipeline, a move that likely postpones a final decision on the controversial project until after the Nov. 4 mid-term elections.




USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2014/04/18/obama-keystone-xl-pipeline-congress-canada/7874199/

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The Obama administration on Friday extended the review period on the Keystone XL pipeline, perhaps pushing back a final decision on the disputed project until after the Nov. 4 congressional elections.



FROM THE CANADIAN PRIME MINISTERS OFFICE
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Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office was "disappointed that politics continue to delay a decision," his spokesman said.




Ok now that I have jumped through your hoops can we finally talk about politicians delaying controversial votes just to get past the next election instead of doing their job.

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Don't sweat it Phil. If our neighbours don't want it, China is champing at the bit for the westcoast pipeline and deep-water port at Kitimat to ship it to Asia.

Their money is just as green, and that's the growth-market now anyway.

J

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MajorDad

Good thing the current US Politicians weren't in charge during WW2.



We live in a different time and world and in a number of respects I'm glad for that. The last time this, "let's all get together and rush to do something due to a threat" happened we marched into Iraq, reorganized the government under Homeland Security and passed the Patriot Act which let the NSA run rampant over all of us.

We should be more cautious of any time anyone tells us we must rush a decision. TV pitchmen know people rushing to make judgements generally make bad ones, which is why they always tell you to "act now -- this offer is only good for a limited time."

We have all the time we need to look at Keystone. There is no rush required; only desired by those wishing to cash in.
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billvon

> No we Americans are just getting fucked again by politics!

What's the hurry? Are we that eager for higher gas prices?



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/us/politics/administration-to-delay-pipeline-decision-past-12-election.html?_r=0

when I saw the headline, I thought it was a recycled thread. From over TWO YEARS AGO. I have a difficult time believing that there hasn't been enough time to approve or reject.

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Don't sweat it Phil. If our neighbours don't want it, China is champing at the bit for the westcoast pipeline and deep-water port at Kitimat to ship it to Asia.

Their money is just as green, and that's the growth-market now anyway.

J



Word, John.

Additional pipelines will be/ are being built to both the West Coast and East Coast..

Meanwhile, Oil-by-Rail is increasing at an ever increasing pace despite the reality it is more risky than by modern pipeline.

Until the US starts to get serious about their own Carbon emissions (i.e. Coal) then this is all political dithering.

If they don't want the oil, the Law of Supply and Demand will take care of it...

People seem to forget that the World is going from 7+ Billion people to 9+ Billion over the next 25 years and the Chinese and Indians (original, not American) have been increasing their presence in the resource areas around the world...

Just saying....

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Andy9o8

So ignore the spin. What does your gut tell you?



The only people spinning things here at the Progressive Trolls here at the DorkZone. This story is all over the media. It's being reported by news organizations that lean left, lean right or lean which ever way earns them the most money on a given day. I could cite dozens of news organizations reporting this story and not a single one of them would be Fox.

Obama is playing politics as usual instead of doing the job he was elected to do which was to govern by making decisions even if sometimes those decisions are unpopular. But here is something for you Progressive Trolls to chew (or should I say choke) on. You may think you are poise to shut down the Canadian Oil Sands by rejecting the northern leg of the Keystone XL pipeline. But production at Fort Mac continues even with Obama's dithering and it will continue even if/when Obama punts this issue on to your next messiah Billary. Production at Fort Mac has been going on for decades and will continue for the next century. If the resources need to be shipped by rail (as they currently are), they will be shipped by rail even though rail is an order of magnitude more risky than shipping by pipeline.

Oh and you Progressives are aware of the massive already existing in the ground and been there for decades tens of thousands mile long network of natural gas and oil pipelines that dart all across Western Canada, the US Mid-West towards the East as well as and down into Texas network, aren't you. It's mind boggling how big this already existing network of pipelines is and yet the Progressive Trolls act as if Keystone will destroy humanity.


Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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CanuckInUSA

...tens of thousands mile long network of natural gas and oil pipelines that dart all across Western Canada, the US Mid-West towards the East as well as and down into Texas network, aren't you. It's mind boggling how big this already existing network of pipelines is...



My shares in TransCanada Pipe and Westcoast Transmission have been very very good to me. :)

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billvon

What's the hurry?



"But approving the pipeline before the election could staunch the flow of money from liberal donors and fund-raisers who oppose the project, like Tom Steyer, a California billionaire. Mr. Steyer, who has personally asked Mr. Obama to reject the pipeline, is positioned to play a major role in influencing the midterms: He has pledged to spend $100 million to support candidates who back strong policies to fight climate change."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/us/politics/us-delays-decision-on-keystone-xl-pipeline.html?hpw&rref=us&_r=0

"There are 42,000 jobs, $20 billion in economic activity and North America's energy security at stake."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-administration-delays-keystone-xl-pipeline-review/

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CanuckInUSA

Oh and you Progressives are aware of the massive already existing in the ground and been there for decades tens of thousands mile long network of natural gas and oil pipelines that dart all across Western Canada, the US Mid-West towards the East as well as and down into Texas network, aren't you. It's mind boggling how big this already existing network of pipelines is and yet the Progressive Trolls act as if Keystone will destroy humanity.



Yep.

"Oil Pipelines Criss-Cross the United States: Why the Fuss Over Keystone XL?"
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Pipelines-Criss-Cross-The-United-States-Why-The-Fuss-Over-Keystone-XL.html

A pipeline is far more efficient and less harmful than moving those goods by rail. And the government already requires extensive periodic inspections of pipelines to prevent leaks and accidents.

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Boogers

***What's the hurry?



"But approving the pipeline before the election could staunch the flow of money from liberal donors and fund-raisers who oppose the project, like Tom Steyer, a California billionaire. Mr. Steyer, who has personally asked Mr. Obama to reject the pipeline, is positioned to play a major role in influencing the midterms: He has pledged to spend $100 million to support candidates who back strong policies to fight climate change."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/19/us/politics/us-delays-decision-on-keystone-xl-pipeline.html?hpw&rref=us&_r=0

"There are 42,000 35 permanent jobs, $20 $100 billion in economic activitypocketed and moved offshore profits and North America's energy security largest aquafer at stake."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-administration-delays-keystone-xl-pipeline-review/

There.. fixed all the factual lies for you.

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Boogers

***Oh and you Progressives are aware of the massive already existing in the ground and been there for decades tens of thousands mile long network of natural gas and oil pipelines that dart all across Western Canada, the US Mid-West towards the East as well as and down into Texas network, aren't you. It's mind boggling how big this already existing network of pipelines is and yet the Progressive Trolls act as if Keystone will destroy humanity.



Yep.

"Oil Pipelines Criss-Cross the United States: Why the Fuss Over Keystone XL?"
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Pipelines-Criss-Cross-The-United-States-Why-The-Fuss-Over-Keystone-XL.html

A pipeline is far more efficient and less harmful than moving those goods by rail. And the government already requires extensive periodic inspections of pipelines to prevent leaks and accidents.

How many of these do we need to convince someone that it CAN happen because it has happened over and over and over.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/09/09/business/energy-environment/pipeline-spills.html?_r=0
Please note the large hole with no spills... I guess they want to make up for that unpolluted area and get it online for fucked up water resources so they can proceed with selling water to people.
Water is life...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

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