Andy9o8 0 #76 January 24, 2014 QuoteSo when do you intend to return the USA to these folk? My ancestors didn't take it from their ancestors. That being said, the property claims of the traditionally indigenous peoples of the Western Hemisphere have never been given proper deference under modern law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,351 #77 January 24, 2014 kallend So when do you intend to return the USA to these folk? I have a feeling that those folk are going to buy it back with the earnings from their casinos. South Park did a pretty good job on it. And after what happened to them, I don't have a problem with it."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #78 January 24, 2014 QuoteThe Argentine claim is that they acquired the Malvinas from Spain in 1816 upon achieving independence, and that national sovereignty does not arise from the subsequent presence of English squatters from 8,000 miles away. That, and the observation that England, in the Northern Hemisphere, is about 7 times as far away from the Islands as is Argentina. Spain is approximately as far away from the Falklands as Britain is. You'd have to be very clever to argue that they matter, especially since they had no presence there in 1816.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #79 January 24, 2014 QuoteSpain is approximately as far away from the Falklands as Britain is. The point, Oh Point-Misser, is that once Spain divested itself of its imperial occupation of the Falk...er, Malvinas, the logical nation to claim them (to the extent they were claimable in the first place) was the nation closest in proximity to them, and that was Argentina. And Argentina did claim them, immediately upon becoming an independent nation, and more than a decade before the imperialist English running dogs traveled 8,000 miles to infest them with a party of squatters. With bad teeth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #80 January 24, 2014 QuoteThe point, Oh Point-Misser, is that once Spain divested itself of its imperial occupation of the Falk...er, Malvinas, the logical nation to claim them (to the extent they were claimable in the first place) was the nation closest in proximity to them, and that was Argentina. That's not what you said. There's a difference between Argentina aquiring them from Spain and Spain putting them down and Argentina picking them up. Decide what your point is first, decide whether I've missed it second. In answer to your new point, there's no logical claim for anyone based on proximity. They're a long way from everything. If Argentina's close enough to claim the Falklands based on that then I'm close enough to lay claim to Paris. QuoteAnd Argentina did claim them, immediately upon becoming an independent nation, No they didn't.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #81 January 24, 2014 QuoteNo they didn't. Did so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #82 January 24, 2014 Andy9o8QuoteSpain is approximately as far away from the Falklands as Britain is. The point, Oh Point-Misser, is that once Spain divested itself of its imperial occupation of the Falk...er, Malvinas, the logical nation to claim them (to the extent they were claimable in the first place) was the nation closest in proximity to them, and that was Argentina. And Argentina did claim them, immediately upon becoming an independent nation, and more than a decade before the imperialist English running dogs traveled 8,000 miles to infest them with a party of squatters. With bad teeth. So by your argument Cuba should belong to the USA and Alaska to Canada.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #83 January 24, 2014 Andy9o8QuoteNo they didn't. Did so. Nuh uh.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #84 January 24, 2014 Skyrad***QuoteSpain is approximately as far away from the Falklands as Britain is. The point, Oh Point-Misser, is that once Spain divested itself of its imperial occupation of the Falk...er, Malvinas, the logical nation to claim them (to the extent they were claimable in the first place) was the nation closest in proximity to them, and that was Argentina. And Argentina did claim them, immediately upon becoming an independent nation, and more than a decade before the imperialist English running dogs traveled 8,000 miles to infest them with a party of squatters. With bad teeth. So by your argument Cuba should belong to the USA and Alaska to Canada. By my argument Canada should belong to the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #85 January 24, 2014 But they're bigger than the USA, surely you guys should belong to them? And Canadians are lovely, everyone likes them.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #86 January 25, 2014 SkyradBut they're bigger than the USA, surely you guys should belong to them? And Canadians are lovely, everyone likes them. everyone knows that Americans are bigger than anyone else on earth. Esp in the South. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #87 January 25, 2014 Andy9o8QuoteSpain is approximately as far away from the Falklands as Britain is. The point, Oh Point-Misser, is that once Spain divested itself of its imperial occupation of the Falk...er, Malvinas, the logical nation to claim them (to the extent they were claimable in the first place) was the nation closest in proximity to them, and that was Argentina. And Argentina did claim them, immediately upon becoming an independent nation, and more than a decade before the imperialist English running dogs traveled 8,000 miles to infest them with a party of squatters. With bad teeth. Geologically the Falklands are Chilean, not Argentinean. And the Chileans acknowledge that the Falklands are British, to the point of providing assistance to the Brits in the 1981 war. Besides, the Argentines are just squatters on land stolen from the indigenous peoples. They should put their own house in order before claiming territory that had NO indigenous people and where Argentina never had a settlement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #88 January 25, 2014 kallend Besides, the Argentines are just squatters on land stolen from the indigenous peoples. Sounds a bit like the US Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #89 January 25, 2014 Stumpy *** Besides, the Argentines are just squatters on land stolen from the indigenous peoples. Sounds a bit like the US You got it!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #90 January 25, 2014 Skyrad But they're bigger than the USA, surely you guys should belong to them? And Canadians are lovely, everyone likes them. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #91 January 25, 2014 kallend***QuoteSpain is approximately as far away from the Falklands as Britain is. The point, Oh Point-Misser, is that once Spain divested itself of its imperial occupation of the Falk...er, Malvinas, the logical nation to claim them (to the extent they were claimable in the first place) was the nation closest in proximity to them, and that was Argentina. And Argentina did claim them, immediately upon becoming an independent nation, and more than a decade before the imperialist English running dogs traveled 8,000 miles to infest them with a party of squatters. With bad teeth. Geologically the Falklands are Chilean, not Argentinean. And the Chileans acknowledge that the Falklands are British, to the point of providing assistance to the Brits in the 1981 war. Besides, the Argentines are just squatters on land stolen from the indigenous peoples. They should put their own house in order before claiming territory that had NO indigenous people and where Argentina never had a settlement. Free Tibet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #92 January 25, 2014 Quotethe Chileans... providing assistance to the Brits in the 1981 war LOL, yes, no regional rivalry at work there, was it? By that metric, England should be German thanks to the cleverness of the Irish. ============================ ETA: Quotehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina%E2%80%93Chile_relations#Falklands_Warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentina%E2%80%93Chile_relations#Falklands_War Post-Pinochet democratic governments in Chile have given greater support to the Argentine claim on the Falkland Islands.[19][20][21][22] On June 2010 (as in 2009[23] and years before [24][25][26][27]) Chile has supported the Argentine position at the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization calling for direct negotiations between Argentina and the United Kingdom concerning the Falklands Islands dispute.[28] Quotehttp://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/23/falklands.argentina/ Ecuador's President Rafael Correa offered his country's "unconditional support" to Argentina, while his Chilean counterpart Michelle Bachelet said, "We not only support our sister republic's claims to the Malvinas islands but every year we present its case to the United Nations' Special Committee on Decolonization." Quotehttp://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/gacol3162.doc.htm HERALDO MUÑOZ (Chile), introducing the draft resolution (document A/AC.109/2007/L.8) on behalf of Bolivia, Cuba and Venezuela, said it reflected the principal elements of the doctrine developed by the United Nations over the years. Moreover, it recognized that the Malvinas question was a particular colonial one, owing to the existence of a sovereignty dispute between two States. The draft resolution stated that a negotiated settlement was the only way to end that dispute, and called on the parties to consolidate the dialogue process through resumed negotiations. Associating himself with the position of the Southern Common Market (MERCOSUR) and Associated States, he said his country fully supported the draft resolution and regretted that, despite the time that had elapsed and numerous resolutions adopted, it had not been possible to initiate direct diplomatic negotiations between Argentina and the United Kingdom. A quarter of a century had passed since the 1982 conflict and silence still reigned. He said the presence of so many Latin American representatives at today’s meeting was a sign of their countries’ interest in seeing a lasting solution to the Malvinas question. Chile supported the rights of Argentina in the dispute, believing that the only viable way forward was through bilateral negotiations between Argentina and the United Kingdom. Calling colonial situations in the twenty-first century were an “inexplicable anachronism”, and there was no reason for continued delay in the search for a solution. Talks should resume as soon as possible. Would the Brits like to take America back as well? We opened a can of Whup-Ass® on them once; we'd be happy to do it again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #93 January 25, 2014 winsor ****** Quote Spain is approximately as far away from the Falklands as Britain is. The point, Oh Point-Misser, is that once Spain divested itself of its imperial occupation of the Falk...er, Malvinas, the logical nation to claim them (to the extent they were claimable in the first place) was the nation closest in proximity to them, and that was Argentina. And Argentina did claim them, immediately upon becoming an independent nation, and more than a decade before the imperialist English running dogs traveled 8,000 miles to infest them with a party of squatters. With bad teeth. Geologically the Falklands are Chilean, not Argentinean. And the Chileans acknowledge that the Falklands are British, to the point of providing assistance to the Brits in the 1981 war. Besides, the Argentines are just squatters on land stolen from the indigenous peoples. They should put their own house in order before claiming territory that had NO indigenous people and where Argentina never had a settlement. Free Tibet. How very Richard Gere of you , anyway Its not free it cost China an arms and a leg!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #94 January 25, 2014 When did America Steal Hawaii and under what right? .. it's not remotely close. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #95 January 25, 2014 Andy9o8Quotethe Chileans... providing assistance to the Brits in the 1981 war LOL, yes, no regional rivalry at work there, was it? By that metric, England should be German thanks to the cleverness of the Irish. Ireland is geologically part of Germany? Really?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #96 January 25, 2014 SkyradBut they're bigger than the USA, surely you guys should belong to them? And Canadians are lovely, everyone likes them. The Canadians took Washington DC in 1814. Pity they gave it back.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 38 #97 January 25, 2014 kallend ***But they're bigger than the USA, surely you guys should belong to them? And Canadians are lovely, everyone likes them. The Canadians took Washington DC in 1814. Pity they gave it back. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #98 January 25, 2014 Quote We opened a can of Whup-Ass® on them once; we'd be happy to do it again. That's correct Andy, the USA did once open a can of whupass on the Argentines to make them relinquish any claim to the FalklandsDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,259 #99 January 25, 2014 QuoteCriminal justice: This is another hard question. In the USA, there is The System, and The System requires fresh bodies in jails and prisons nationwide to prosper, get additional funding, and increase employment. If you have money, you'll probably get better justice in America. If you don't, you might be better off across the pond. Good point. Freedom loving Americans imprison a significantly higher percentage of the population than any other country in the world. In fact, the USA's incarceration rate is around 5x that of oppressive, totalitarian Britain.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #100 January 26, 2014 kallendThe Canadians took Washington DC in 1814. Pity they gave it back. Canada did not exist in 1814. British forces with the help of some loyalists and some Indians took Washington. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
