davjohns 1 #1 May 9, 2012 So...John Edwards is on trial for things regarding his mistress. Quite a few politicians seem to have them. Mitt Romney comes from a poly family. Same-sex marriage is in the news thanks to North Carolina, which makes me wonder when poly marriage will start debates. Afterall, it is much more religiously correct historically. I can see merits to the idea...and huge pitfalls. Mostly, I see it as a potentially bad situation for the guy. I think that's because I'm the kind of guy who takes responsibility for things, respects women, etc. I think those pitfalls would appear far fewer for some guys with different attitudes towards women. I can also see benefits and pitfalls for the women (assuming polygyny (MFF) here). Shared domestic responsibilities, companionship, more heads providing better solutions, shared finances, etc. would all be potential benefits. But the people involved are human. So, jealousy and dissention could cause huge problems. Out of curiosity, I did a little research online and watched a documentary on youtube. People who like it seem to think there is no other way. I'm curious about views on here.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 May 9, 2012 was there a question in here somewhere? Is polygamy good? Should polygamy be permitted? Or is it about mistresses? I cannot think of legitimate reasons why polygamy is illegal. We're past the time where we needed to have as many breeding pairs as possible to keep up our population. The chief problem concerns the various tax and benefits policies we have for married people. This would not work out in a polygamy welcoming world- people would be getting married into a harem for tax purposes. Either we limit these benefits to a primary husband and wife only, or we remove all of these benefits/policies entirely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #3 May 9, 2012 Could care less. Besides, I'm smart enough to NOT want more than one woman in my life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #4 May 9, 2012 I think consenting adults should be able to enter into whatever kind of relationship they want to be in. If it's "legal" polygamy, it would bring up some different issues than same-sex marriage does, because now we're talking about more than two spouses. But I'm sure that could be worked out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #5 May 9, 2012 QuoteThe chief problem concerns the various tax and benefits policies we have for married people. You think THAT'S the biggest issue? The male:female ratio is a zero sum game. (Assume gay males cancel out gay females.) If one guy has two females, it means there's some guy out there without any. Eventually you have a LOT of sexually frustrated males who are going to spend that energy doing wildly unproductive things.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #6 May 9, 2012 Quote Eventually you have a LOT of sexually frustrated males who are going to spend that energy doing wildly unproductive things. Ummm... Don't we already have that? (And you're assuming here, that suddenly lots of people jump into polygamous marriages.) And just because the guy has two wives, it doesn't mean he's getting any sex. And it doesn't mean the wives aren't having sex with some of the unmarried guys. And with the divorce rate, what is the likelihood that the marriage would even last? I mean really, the "sanctity of marriage" thing is such a joke, with all of the infidelity and divorce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #7 May 9, 2012 the unmarried rate in our country is sufficiently high that I don't worry much about this. You are aware that people can have sex prior to marriage, right? And supposedly we have no shortage of 30+ or 40 yo women out there who really want to get married. You also presume that the only form of polygamy would be 1 male and multiple women. That was the past, when women could not set their destiny. Now, certainly the hot ones can command a number of suitors. Not sure the presumption about gay men cancelling out gay women is accurate either. Frankly I think that Obama's tax proposals, if implemented as proposed (200k limit for singles, 250 for couples), would drive down the marriage rate even further, making all this concern pointless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #8 May 9, 2012 QuoteSo...John Edwards is on trial for things regarding his mistress. Quite a few politicians seem to have them. Mitt Romney comes from a poly family. Same-sex marriage is in the news thanks to North Carolina, which makes me wonder when poly marriage will start debates. Afterall, it is much more religiously correct historically. I can see merits to the idea...and huge pitfalls. Mostly, I see it as a potentially bad situation for the guy. I think that's because I'm the kind of guy who takes responsibility for things, respects women, etc. I think those pitfalls would appear far fewer for some guys with different attitudes towards women. I can also see benefits and pitfalls for the women (assuming polygyny (MFF) here). Shared domestic responsibilities, companio nship, more heads providing better solutions, shared finances, etc. would all be potential benefits. But the people involved are human. So, jealousy and dissention could cause huge problems. Out of curiosity, I did a little research online and watched a documentary on youtube. People who like it seem to think there is no other way. I'm curious about views on here. Personally I find one wife plenty although whatever consenting adults want to do with each other is fine with me - one man and two or more women, one woman and two or more men, or two plus of each. People seem to do OK with paternal love for more than one child; and the college classmate I ran into who had a husband and a wife seemed to handle marital love for more than one person. In the 1970, the typical family with one working adult had 46% of its income available for discretionary spending after covering fixed costs like housing and insurance. In 2000, the typical double income family had only 25% of its income left. One or more additional adults in each household would help to restore the American standard of living. I'm not sure what the fairest tax treatment would be. Maybe brackets, exemptions, deductions, and limits set to n x a single person's regardless of the number of adults. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #9 May 9, 2012 QuoteSo...John Edwards is on trial for things regarding his mistress. Quite a few politicians seem to have them. Mitt Romney comes from a poly family. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/04/steyn_on_our_presidents_curious_cool.html QuoteJust for the record, Romney's father was not a polygamist; Romney's grandfather was not a polygamist; his great-grandfather was a polygamist. Miles Park Romney died in 1904, so one can see why this would weigh heavy on 86 percent of female voters 108 years later. Meanwhile, back in the female-friendly party, Obama's father was a polygamist; his grandfather was a polygamist; and his great-grandfather was a polygamist who had one more wife (five in total) than Romney's great-grandfather. "Obama is the first male in his line not to be a polygamist," writes Steyn. Reason enough to sit back, relax, and read the whole hysterical thing. You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #10 May 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe chief problem concerns the various tax and benefits policies we have for married people. You think THAT'S the biggest issue? The male:female ratio is a zero sum game. (Assume gay males cancel out gay females.) If one guy has two females, it means there's some guy out there without any. Nope. There are plenty of single people having sex with more than one partner and I've known people in open marriages that were allowed to have sex with people other than their spouse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #11 May 9, 2012 I really have to remember to include the smiley faces.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #12 May 9, 2012 Quote And supposedly we have no shortage of 30+ or 40 yo women out there who really want to get married. . You should look at the 55+ demographics! And they no longer worry about pregnancy.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #13 May 9, 2012 Some retirement communities in FL have shown the highest rates of STD's anywhere in the state. Viagra, no pregnancy risk, alcohol, and bridge night. Te demo team has done some demos into a retirement parks...them ladies are all over the guys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #14 May 9, 2012 >If one guy has two females, it means there's some guy out there without any. Only if no women have two guys - which definitely isn't true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #15 May 9, 2012 Quote I really have to remember to include the smiley faces. Yes, you do. Because you're always so freakin' serious, quade. How are we supposed to know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 May 9, 2012 QuoteI'm not sure what the fairest tax treatment would be. Maybe brackets, exemptions, deductions, and limits set to n x a single person's regardless of the number of adults. it's easy - each individual files a single tax form for themselves regardless of marital status and everybody follows the same tables and rules get the government completely out of it ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #17 May 9, 2012 If polygamy is legal, the result will be property, inheritance and divorce laws that will amount to a monstrous morass that will take lawyers and courts forever to wade through. Go Poly!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #18 May 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm not sure what the fairest tax treatment would be. Maybe brackets, exemptions, deductions, and limits set to n x a single person's regardless of the number of adults. it's easy - each individual files a single tax form for themselves regardless of marital status and everybody follows the same tables and rules get the government completely out of it Rehmwa speaks the truth. This all gets a lot easier if the government quits trying to push one particular religion's brand of marriage and just lets people enjoy their freedom of religion. Wasn't that one of the purposes of establishing this country in the first place? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #19 May 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not sure what the fairest tax treatment would be. Maybe brackets, exemptions, deductions, and limits set to n x a single person's regardless of the number of adults. it's easy - each individual files a single tax form for themselves regardless of marital status and everybody follows the same tables and rules get the government completely out of it Rehmwa speaks the truth. This all gets a lot easier if the government quits trying to push one particular religion's brand of marriage and just lets people enjoy their freedom of religion. Wasn't that one of the purposes of establishing this country in the first place? Blues, Dave Would you support someones right to have sex with monkeys? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #20 May 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not sure what the fairest tax treatment would be. Maybe brackets, exemptions, deductions, and limits set to n x a single person's regardless of the number of adults. it's easy - each individual files a single tax form for themselves regardless of marital status and everybody follows the same tables and rules get the government completely out of it Rehmwa speaks the truth. This all gets a lot easier if the government quits trying to push one particular religion's brand of marriage and just lets people enjoy their freedom of religion. Wasn't that one of the purposes of establishing this country in the first place? Blues, Dave Would you support someones right to have sex with monkeys? No, for several reasons, but most notably because the monkey is unable to give informed consent. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #21 May 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not sure what the fairest tax treatment would be. Maybe brackets, exemptions, deductions, and limits set to n x a single person's regardless of the number of adults. it's easy - each individual files a single tax form for themselves regardless of marital status and everybody follows the same tables and rules get the government completely out of it Rehmwa speaks the truth. This all gets a lot easier if the government quits trying to push one particular religion's brand of marriage and just lets people enjoy their freedom of religion. Wasn't that one of the purposes of establishing this country in the first place? Blues, Dave Would you support someones right to have sex with monkeys? No, for several reasons, but most notably because the monkey is unable to give informed consent. Blues, Dave A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,435 #22 May 9, 2012 >A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like >consent to me. And a 5 year old might want to skydive like Daddy. Doesn't mean he can give consent, either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #23 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not sure what the fairest tax treatment would be. Maybe brackets, exemptions, deductions, and limits set to n x a single person's regardless of the number of adults. it's easy - each individual files a single tax form for themselves regardless of marital status and everybody follows the same tables and rules get the government completely out of it Rehmwa speaks the truth. This all gets a lot easier if the government quits trying to push one particular religion's brand of marriage and just lets people enjoy their freedom of religion. Wasn't that one of the purposes of establishing this country in the first place? Blues, Dave Would you support someones right to have sex with monkeys? No, for several reasons, but most notably because the monkey is unable to give informed consent. Blues, Dave Actually, some primates would certainly be smart enough to be able to give consentYou stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #24 May 10, 2012 Quote If polygamy is legal, the result will be property, inheritance and divorce laws that will amount to a monstrous morass that will take lawyers and courts forever to wade through. Go Poly!! So because it will cause some legal reworkings, you would deny the rights of people to marry who the choose?You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #25 May 10, 2012 Quote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
