devildog 0 #26 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. Marriage isn't about sex and procreation anyway. So the whole "consenting to sex" is just a red herring.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #27 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI'm not sure what the fairest tax treatment would be. Maybe brackets, exemptions, deductions, and limits set to n x a single person's regardless of the number of adults. it's easy - each individual files a single tax form for themselves regardless of marital status and everybody follows the same tables and rules get the government completely out of it Rehmwa speaks the truth. This all gets a lot easier if the government quits trying to push one particular religion's brand of marriage and just lets people enjoy their freedom of religion. Wasn't that one of the purposes of establishing this country in the first place? Blues, Dave Would you support someones right to have sex with monkeys? No, for several reasons, but most notably because the monkey is unable to give informed consent. Blues, Dave Actually, some primates would certainly be smart enough to be able to give consent Informed consent would require they have the faculties to understand a human could not possibly impregnate them, but could give them an STD. At a minimum, chidren, animals, the unconscious, and people with substantial mental deficits are incapable of fully understanding the consequences of consenting. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #28 May 10, 2012 Quote Quote If polygamy is legal, the result will be property, inheritance and divorce laws that will amount to a monstrous morass that will take lawyers and courts forever to wade through. Go Poly!! So because it will cause some legal reworkings, you would deny the rights of people to marry who the choose? I think "Go Poly!!" means he is for it. I also think he is a lawyer, so . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #29 May 10, 2012 Quote Informed consent would require they have the faculties to understand a human could not possibly impregnate them, but could give them an STD. At a minimum, chidren, animals, the unconscious, and people with substantial mental deficits are incapable of fully understanding the consequences of consenting. Blues, Dave There's no sex-ed test when it comes to marriage. Plenty of people would fail and not be allowed to marry who are over 18 if that were the case. Anyway, like I said before, marriage isn't about sex and procreation, so using it as some sort of test against marrying the chimp / dog / cat of your life shouldn't apply either. p.s. people have married animals before, and in recent times tooYou stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. An adult female monkey is certainly capable of giving consent to adult male monkeys. Why wouldn't she be capable of giving consent to a human? And since when does a human need consent to have sex with a monkey, anyway? Monkeys and humans are very close genetically. Are you proposing we have a law that stipulates what percentage of genes we must share? If scientists were able to clone a female neandrathal, would you contend she would be incapable of giving consent to a modern human due to genetic differences? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #31 May 10, 2012 when you get back on topic (and off the bottle), I'll reply. Your last post was a steamer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #32 May 10, 2012 http://www.atheistconnect.org/2011/06/21/neanderthal-chicks-are-hot/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #33 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. An adult female monkey is certainly capable of giving consent to adult male monkeys. Why wouldn't she be capable of giving consent to a human? And since when does a human need consent to have sex with a monkey, anyway? Monkeys and humans are very close genetically. Are you proposing we have a law that stipulates what percentage of genes we must share? If scientists were able to clone a female neandrathal, would you contend she would be incapable of giving consent to a modern human due to genetic differences? A simple test would be to ask the monkey to complete her own 1040EZ correctly. If she can't even do that then she's ineligible.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #34 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. An adult female monkey is certainly capable of giving consent to adult male monkeys. Why wouldn't she be capable of giving consent to a human? And since when does a human need consent to have sex with a monkey, anyway? Monkeys and humans are very close genetically. Are you proposing we have a law that stipulates what percentage of genes we must share? If scientists were able to clone a female neandrathal, would you contend she would be incapable of giving consent to a modern human due to genetic differences? A simple test would be to ask the monkey to complete her own 1040EZ correctly. If she can't even do that then she's ineligible. lol really? Man, tons of marriages are going to be null and void.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #35 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. An adult female monkey is certainly capable of giving consent to adult male monkeys. Why wouldn't she be capable of giving consent to a human? And since when does a human need consent to have sex with a monkey, anyway? Monkeys and humans are very close genetically. Are you proposing we have a law that stipulates what percentage of genes we must share? If scientists were able to clone a female neandrathal, would you contend she would be incapable of giving consent to a modern human due to genetic differences? A simple test would be to ask the monkey to complete her own 1040EZ correctly. If she can't even do that then she's ineligible. lol really? Man, tons of marriages are going to be null and void. Hey, if you want to have monkey sex, that's your business. Personally I'd consider it animal abuse.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #36 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. An adult female monkey is certainly capable of giving consent to adult male monkeys. Why wouldn't she be capable of giving consent to a human? And since when does a human need consent to have sex with a monkey, anyway? Monkeys and humans are very close genetically. Are you proposing we have a law that stipulates what percentage of genes we must share? If scientists were able to clone a female neandrathal, would you contend she would be incapable of giving consent to a modern human due to genetic differences? A simple test would be to ask the monkey to complete her own 1040EZ correctly. If she can't even do that then she's ineligible. lol really? Man, tons of marriages are going to be null and void. Hey, if you want to have monkey sex, that's your business. Personally I'd consider it animal abuse. I'm not arguing for monkey sex at all. I'm just amazed that you think there should be requirements like literacy and the ability to do your taxes in order to marry.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #37 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. An adult female monkey is certainly capable of giving consent to adult male monkeys. Why wouldn't she be capable of giving consent to a human? And since when does a human need consent to have sex with a monkey, anyway? Monkeys and humans are very close genetically. Are you proposing we have a law that stipulates what percentage of genes we must share? If scientists were able to clone a female neandrathal, would you contend she would be incapable of giving consent to a modern human due to genetic differences? A simple test would be to ask the monkey to complete her own 1040EZ correctly. If she can't even do that then she's ineligible. lol really? Man, tons of marriages are going to be null and void. Hey, if you want to have monkey sex, that's your business. Personally I'd consider it animal abuse. I'm not arguing for monkey sex at all. I'm just amazed that you think there should be requirements like literacy and the ability to do your taxes in order to marry. A being that can complete their own 1040EZ can certainly give consent.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #38 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote A female monkey in heat will often crave multiple partners. Sounds like consent to me. As do 14 year old boys. But they still aren't deemed capable of giving informed consent to teachers that want to sleep with them. If you can't address the arguments on the subject, please don't try to derail with poor analogies to beastiality. Animals aren't people. An adult female monkey is certainly capable of giving consent to adult male monkeys. Why wouldn't she be capable of giving consent to a human? And since when does a human need consent to have sex with a monkey, anyway? Monkeys and humans are very close genetically. Are you proposing we have a law that stipulates what percentage of genes we must share? If scientists were able to clone a female neandrathal, would you contend she would be incapable of giving consent to a modern human due to genetic differences? A simple test would be to ask the monkey to complete her own 1040EZ correctly. If she can't even do that then she's ineligible. lol really? Man, tons of marriages are going to be null and void. Hey, if you want to have monkey sex, that's your business. Personally I'd consider it animal abuse. Not if the monkey is asking for it. Let's say you are 3rd in line with 5 monkeys. How can you say she wasn't consenting? Especially if she's ovulating? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #39 May 10, 2012 Quotehttp://www.atheistconnect.org/2011/06/21/neanderthal-chicks-are-hot/ "You know, if I were a single man, I might ask that mummy out. That's a good-looking mummy" —Bill Clinton, looking at "Juanita," a newly discovered Incan mummy on display at the National Geographic museumMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #40 May 10, 2012 Quote Some retirement communities in FL have shown the highest rates of STD's anywhere in the state. Viagra, no pregnancy risk, alcohol, and bridge night. Te demo team has done some demos into a retirement parks...them ladies are all over the guys. Awesome! I was hoping that getting old would have some perks!Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #41 May 10, 2012 Quote Quote Some retirement communities in FL have shown the highest rates of STD's anywhere in the state. Viagra, no pregnancy risk, alcohol, and bridge night. Te demo team has done some demos into a retirement parks...them ladies are all over the guys. Awesome! I was hoping that getting old would have some perks! ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #42 May 10, 2012 Quote A being that can complete their own 1040EZ can certainly give consent. How about if they can use an Ipad? http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2012/05/09/orangutans-at-miami-zoo-use-ipads-to-communicate/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #43 May 10, 2012 Quote Could care less. Besides, I'm smart enough to NOT want more than one woman in my life. WINNER!!! sounds like huge pain in the ass! I don't really go for marriage in the first place. And if I needed more than one sexual partner being single would be equally effective with less headaches!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #44 May 10, 2012 Sigh...asked a serious question....monkey lover showed up and derailed it.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #45 May 10, 2012 Sorry, I thought it was decided. Most religious people with the exception of some Mormons think polygamy is bad and most non-religious people think it's OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,648 #46 May 10, 2012 QuoteSorry, I thought it was decided. Most religious people with the exception of some Mormons think polygamy is bad and most non-religious people think it's OK. Exodus 21:10 states that multiple marriages are not to diminish the status of the first wife (specifically, her right to food, clothing, and conjugal relations). Deuteronomy 21:15–17, states that a man must award the inheritance due to a first-born son to the son who was actually born first, even if he hates that son's mother and likes another wife more; and Deuteronomy 17:17 states that the king shall not have too many wives. Exodus 21:10 also speaks of Jewish concubines. King Solomon had a bunch of wives. Islam allows polygyny. Most normal people think bestiality is bad.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #47 May 10, 2012 QuoteSorry, I thought it was decided. Most religious people with the exception of some Mormons think polygamy is bad and most non-religious people think it's OK. But why? The patriarch of Judaism, Christianity and Islam was a polygynist. So were King David (beloved of God), Solomon and others. Krishna had over 16k wives. Budhism has no problem with it...I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #48 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteSorry, I thought it was decided. Most religious people with the exception of some Mormons think polygamy is bad and most non-religious people think it's OK. But why? The patriarch of Judaism, Christianity and Islam was a polygynist. So were King David (beloved of God), Solomon and others. Krishna had over 16k wives. Budhism has no problem with it... QuoteI'm curious about views on here. Again, I apologize. I thought you were soliciting the views of people on this website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #49 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteSorry, I thought it was decided. Most religious people with the exception of some Mormons think polygamy is bad and most non-religious people think it's OK. But why? The patriarch of Judaism, Christianity and Islam was a polygynist. So were King David (beloved of God), Solomon and others. Krishna had over 16k wives. Budhism has no problem with it... QuoteI'm curious about views on here. Again, I apologize. I thought you were soliciting the views of people on this website. I was and still am. I think this issue is going to come up more as we break down government restrictions on marriage and family. The only prohibitions I see on polygamy are religious ones. And those are church doctrine that is unsupported by the underlying scriptures. So, I wonder at what point organizations like the ACLU will address such a thing.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #50 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe chief problem concerns the various tax and benefits policies we have for married people. You think THAT'S the biggest issue? The male:female ratio is a zero sum game. (Assume gay males cancel out gay females.) If one guy has two females, it means there's some guy out there without any. Eventually you have a LOT of sexually frustrated males who are going to spend that energy doing wildly unproductive things. I don't know about being a problem if we permit polygamy but this is a huge problem in societies that practice sex selective abortions such as China and India. The sex ratio in China is all out of whack. Unfortunately one way for the state to relieve pressure caused by a large contingent of sexually frustrated males is to send them to war."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
