Dad arrested after daughter draws picture of gun

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depends on you definition of 'center'. and besides - the original poster used the word "liberal", not me. And the parties in both jurisdictions are named "Conservative" in their title.....

just sayin', if you are going to call names, at least use the proper name, not some fictional entity you just made up to try and back you your feeble argument.

Your claim that conservatives are gun grabbers and liberals are not is far worse than feeble.

It's an outright lie.

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any and all in power want to rule the masses and that my friends is not a feeble fact! We once had a repuke here in the communist state of Illinois that was elected to the state senate who ran on the premise that he was for the pro 2nd people.... Eighteen mos in he began siding with the leftists.. Was not reelected, and i believe he doesn't even reside here anymore. My POINT is, that adjectives can be as misleading as the puppets that HIDE behind them.... I personally prefer (at least for my self) The Constitutionalists of the Good Times and sorta Green Party! :)

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any and all in power want to rule the masses and that my friends is not a feeble fact! We once had a repuke here in the communist state of Illinois that was elected to the state senate who ran on the premise that he was for the pro 2nd people.... Eighteen mos in he began siding with the leftists.. Was not reelected, and i believe he doesn't even reside here anymore. My POINT is, that adjectives can be as misleading as the puppets that HIDE behind them.... I personally prefer (at least for my self) The Constitutionalists of the Good Times and sorta Green Party! :)

One RINO does not a party make. The vast majority of right leaning politicians in the US and Canada, whether you call them conservatives, republicans or just crazy redneck nuts, support the rights of individuals to own guns.

The vast majority of left leaning politicians do not.

Denying that is either a form of stupidity or deceit,

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Your claim that conservatives are gun grabbers and liberals are not is far worse than feeble.

It's an outright lie.

perhaps you could quote where I said that.

My comment was regarding the blaming of a stupid gun 'incident' on liberals by the poster when both federal and provincial govt's are actually conservative. try reading it again, instead of misreading it.

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there are no unbiased reporters, Tim Russert was the closest and look where that got him.

OK, I'll finally dip my toe into this Twilight Zone train wreck of a thread.

Where did it get him?

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Your claim that conservatives are gun grabbers and liberals are not is far worse than feeble.

It's an outright lie.

perhaps you could quote where I said that.

My comment was regarding the blaming of a stupid gun 'incident' on liberals by the poster when both federal and provincial govt's are actually conservative. try reading it again, instead of misreading it.

You're right, I thought you outright stated that it's the Conservatives that are crazy gun grabbers in Canada...you merely implied it.

When you have the "fortitude" to claim that Canada's oppressive gun laws are a product of the Conservative party and not the liberal party I'll reenter this discussion.

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there are no unbiased reporters, Tim Russert was the closest and look where that got him.

OK, I'll finally dip my toe into this Twilight Zone train wreck of a thread.

Where did it get him?

He's dead isn't he.

Am I implying that his moderate position got him there, no. I just typed it and decided not to delete it.

Good catch.

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iberals? Canada has a conservative government. Alberta has an even MORE conservative government.

I see you have not been paying much attention to what really is going on up here. Yes Canada's present Federal government is controlled by the Conservatives but if you had paid any attention to the history of Bill C-391 (the bill to get rid of the Long Gun Registry) it continues to be met with resistance from not only the Leftist politicians but also from the consensus mainstream media. And that bill only deals with getting rid of the Long Gun Registry. Nothing else in C-68 would change meaning the police will still have the right to search your home without a warrant and for some dumb reason some of you continue to insist that the Liberal Party of Canada did NOT pass this draconian gun control law of theirs.

As far as Alberta being controlled by a Conservative government, that is laughable and another example of how you really are not paying attention and/or allowing the consensus mainstream media to feed you lies and you buy everything that they tell you as the truth. The present Alberta "Progressive Conservative Party" is conservative in name only. They are the highest per-capita spending Provincial government in the entire country and the new premier Allison Redford (not elected by the people of Alberta, but instead installed as premier by an internal party leadership convention) bought herself into power with a $107 million bribe to the Alberta Teachers Union. No the only Conservative political entity in Alberta is the Wildrose Party. But we will need to wait for the next election (a few months from now) to see if the people of Alberta want their high spending (looks more like a Liberal) PC Party that gives money to the Teachers Union in exchange for their support or whether or not they will want to go back to their conservative roots and elect the Wildrose. Time will tell.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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My comment was regarding the blaming of a stupid gun 'incident' on liberals by the poster when both federal and provincial govt's are actually conservative.

Did you read the story behind this arrest? It happened in Kitchener Ontario. Ontario is presently ruled by a Fabian Socialist, Liberal Dalton McGuinty. By the way maybe you should read up on what a stellar job Mr McGuinty has done to the province since taking power 8+ years ago and then come back here with a straight face and tell us how great Liberals are. What a fucking joke ... do you have any idea what is going on up here?

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John Stewart's bias -------------------

It's about 90% against conservatives and 10% against liberals.

the show is right now, sure. but the main people in the news are the US republican candidates

I'm sure once it's down to Obama vs (whoever) he'll move back to his 60/40 split

and I'm ok with that, it's much improved over a lot of the others - and it's just an entertainment show, and the mockery is pretty much dead on. The split is just what material they highlight, hard to select over all the idiocy out there - it's target rich.


I like best the skits where he takes an accusation by one guy against the other in politics, and then shows where the first guy did the exact same thing, and THEN goes to show where people from both parties have done the exact same thing going back a couple decades.

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there are no unbiased reporters, Tim Russert was the closest and look where that got him.

OK, I'll finally dip my toe into this Twilight Zone train wreck of a thread.

Where did it get him?

He's dead isn't he.

Am I implying that his moderate position got him there, no. I just typed it and decided not to delete it.

Good catch.

You still win a nice tinfoil hat.

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there are no unbiased reporters, Tim Russert was the closest and look where that got him.

OK, I'll finally dip my toe into this Twilight Zone train wreck of a thread.

Where did it get him?

He's dead isn't he.

Am I implying that his moderate position got him there, no. I just typed it and decided not to delete it.

Good catch.

You still win a nice tinfoil hat.

And I'll bet you...wait...you're a lawyer... I have nothing more to say.

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This sounds more like something a right wing fascist state would do...not a "socialist" state.

Sounds like you are a little misinformed

Give them a break. College kids aren't taught to think...they are only taught to regurgitate something their profs tell them to be taken as gospel. It's on their reading list, you know.


Regardless of the labels being thrown around, the original topic sucks.

Fasten your seat belt...it's only going to get worse both there AND here. Only time will tell which of our countries' citizens will be the first to say, "No more BS, you assholes"...and then stand up and do something about it.

My bet?
Neither one.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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This sounds more like something a right wing fascist state would do...not a "socialist" state.

Sounds like you are a little misinformed

Give them a break. College kids aren't taught to think...they are only taught to regurgitate something their profs tell them to be taken as gospel. It's on their reading list, you know.

Was that your own personal experience?

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AGREED... our citizens think REVOLUTION is a door that rotates at a shopping mall...

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This sounds more like something a right wing fascist state would do...not a "socialist" state.

Sounds like you are a little misinformed

Give them a break. College kids aren't taught to think...they are only taught to regurgitate something their profs tell them to be taken as gospel. It's on their reading list, you know.

Was that your own personal experience?

Somebody what gots book lernin'!!! Git im!!!!!

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I'm lost - who exactly thinks this is good/ok? but I'm just as baffled by your rant since I don't see anyone saying this was a good thing.

Ian ... we know each other a bit. I have no issues with you. I think you are a smart fellow. But the other day you questioned me and went so far as to say I was doing nothing but ranting, saying that nobody thought this arrest of this father was a good thing. But unfortunately you are on the outside. Fabian Socialism does exist in the USA, but you are just not aware of how strong it is in certain parts of Canada (ie: where this incident took place). You want to know who thinks nothing wrong happened in this incident, and says if the same thing happened tomorrow and they would be calling the police again. The school's superintendent thinks this was exactly the right thing to do and if another pre-school child was to draw a gun and tell their teacher "It's my daddy, he is protecting us from bad guys and monsters". This same school superintendent will be calling the police. Don't believe me ... watch this (and pay extra special close attention to what he says at the 0:24 second mark):

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/gregg-bereznick-chat/1477038215001/page/3

or this

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/the-danger-of-state-parenting/1479276792001/page/2

or this

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/co-parenting/1479535558001

Since when are teachers "co-parents"? Do the teachers pay the parents half the money that is required to raise the child for their "co-parenting"? How about the teacher handing over half of their salary for "co-educating" the child.

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Fabian Socialism

http://www.doctormacro.com/Images/Forte,%20Fabian/Annex/Annex%20-%20Forte,%20Fabian_01.jpg

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Was that your own personal experience?

Yep. Saw it all the time. Still do. I'm sure you did too, if you had your eyes open.

Fortunately, some overcome that handicap. Some don't. Some rather vocal youngsters haven't lived long enough to understand that they are being robotized.

Give a break. Hopefully, they'll wake up before they cause too much trouble in the world.


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"If you give them the basic building blocks of learning and thinking for themselves they may come to the conclusion that the teachers union is screwing them.

Not good for teachers. Better to just fill their brain with shit and keep their 70K a year jobs and three months of vacation."

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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This sounds more like something a right wing fascist state would do...not a "socialist" state.

Sounds like you are a little misinformed

Give them a break. College kids aren't taught to think...they are only taught to regurgitate something their profs tell them to be taken as gospel. It's on their reading list, you know.

Was that your own personal experience?[/replyWas that your own personal experience?

Yep. Saw it all the time. Still do. I'm sure you did too, if you had your eyes open.

Fortunately, some overcome that handicap. Some don't. Some rather vocal youngsters haven't lived long enough to understand that they are being robotized.

Give a break. Hopefully, they'll wake up before they cause too much trouble in the world.

I experienced the opposite extreme. We had to write a paper on Journalism/Communications. My paper was basically text book and displayed a proper understanding of what we learned that semester. I still think it could've been used to teach the class. I got a 2.4.

My rather lax roommate got a 3.6. I read his paper and it was just a bunch of shit, tho it did show some original thought. I said "dude, wtf is this crap?" He tells me, "I dunno man, I just made some shit up."

Then people wonder why the back-assward news media is the way it is today.

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liberals? Canada has a conservative government. Alberta has an even MORE conservative government.

If you are blaming the 'overreaching government' for this, then I guess we know where the blame lies then......

TK - this happened in Kitchener-Waterloo. That Dalton McGoofy country.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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I am still trying to figure out what this has to do with socialism?

Teacher's have a duty to report.
Many Canadians, specially near urban areas, feel that having guns in a house poses a dierct threat to a child.
We have no idea what further conversation took place between teacher/child, or child/agency etc.
The teacher is trying to cover his/her ass.

I don't agree with the sentiment or the actions, but I can understand the report from the teacher's cya standpoint.

What exactly here is socialist?

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this whole story has gotten more and more interesting every day. Not only was the guy arrested, handcuffed, stripsearched, put in a cell and charged with possession of a weapon before his house was searched without a warrant or permission (the police searched and then came in and told him they had searched and asked him to sign a paper saying he had given permission), had his 3 kids taken to Family Services and his pregnant wife brought in to the station, all before police had seen a gun.

But the only people who have even remotely thought twice are the police who said they will investigate the incident and determine if their actions were appropriate.

The teacher (if that's what they are, currently kindergarten classes may have a teacher AND an early childhood educator) and the school administration and the supervisor, all claim they 'co-parent' and are responsible for their students lives - they say 'a situation in which a student draws a gun (with markerson a whiteboard, not pulls a gun out) would require a further conversation with the parents' all of which further begs the question of why the parents were not notified or asked before police or family services were brought in.

Head of family services, Alison Scott, claims they followed proper procedure and would do it again tomorrow.

The Education Minister has said no one did anything wrong.

Even the Premier of the Province of Ontario, Liberal Dalton McGuinty has said, too bad, so sad. We have to be careful in these types of situations... Wonder how much his liberal policies will cost us this time (and mind you, if it was my family, I'd be suing them too).

And to top it off, the drawing in question was on a 'whiteboard' in erasable marker, and has since been erased by persons unknown....
And no one knows if any pictures were ever taken of it. So no one will ever get to see it.

And despite this attitude on the part of the pitbull Family Services and police, there are multiple incidents where children will be left with an unstable parent despite repeated warning signs, even up until they dress them in pretty dresses and drown them in a bathtub, as just one example.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[skypuppy 1]

Many Canadians, specially near urban areas, feel that having guns in a house poses a dierct threat to a child.
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Then in this case many Canadians should probably realize that guns are perfectly legal, and properly stored are no more a danger, and probably less, to a child than having a pool or hottub in the back yard.

Anyway, it;s not really the teacher here that is getting the rough ride. It is administration, school board, family services and police, as well as the politicians responsible for their actions.

Ultimately, THEY HAD NO GUN. The 'gun' was used to keep the monsters at bat probably so the girl could sleep through the night, and the Tooth Fairy would be able to safely come into her room to exchange her baby teeth, etc.

This 'sort of' reminds me of the case where a man in camoflage was taken down by police (roughed up and strip searched in the open) in his own driveway (in Thorton, a tiny community near Barrie, very rural area) as he loaded his truck up to go hunting, simply because he lived across the road from a school. That one went to court, too, and he got a settlement.

Last fall there was another case where a fake nuisance call was made about someone in a home just north of Barrie on Hwy 11, made by an acquaintance with a beef, resulting in a SWAT team going in with flashbangs, etc. - without even notifying the resident there were police outside.

These are not really isolated incidents.

Again, living where I do I've personally encountered rabid animals, bears attacking pets, different situations like that. Guns are just tools, not something to be afraid of.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone