popsjumper 2 #201 November 20, 2011 Quote Why do you accept commondreams as Gospel truth, while dismissing Fox or other news sites? You seem to stop looking for data once you have found a single site that fits your agenda. How many sites would it take for you to understand truth when you see it? Oh...you didn't watch the video, eh? Do you condone what you see? Oh wait...yes, watch the video and then answer.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elite_Marksman 0 #202 November 20, 2011 Quotehint - watch the video... (the video the criminal murdoch family, part of the 1%, and owner of fox refuse to show - why is that) You mean the video with the people sitting across a walkway refusing to move, thus causing a public disturbance and an unnecessary interference with the rights of the other students? Yeah, I watched that one. The officer clearly displayed the big red bottle of OC spray, the people know what is going to happen if they refuse to move, they still refuse to move, force is applied as necessary to restore order. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #203 November 20, 2011 QuoteQuotehint - watch the video... (the video the criminal murdoch family, part of the 1%, and owner of fox refuse to show - why is that) You mean the video with the people sitting across a walkway refusing to move, thus causing a public disturbance and an unnecessary interference with the rights of the other students? Yeah, I watched that one. The officer clearly displayed the big red bottle of OC spray, the people know what is going to happen if they refuse to move, they still refuse to move, force is applied as necessary to restore order. the big brave police will soon be brandishing their guns at unarmed protesters - we all know what will happen then... (how's your dates with bubba cumming along markswoman?)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #204 November 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotehint - watch the video... (the video the criminal murdoch family, part of the 1%, and owner of fox refuse to show - why is that) You mean the video with the people sitting across a walkway refusing to move, thus causing a public disturbance and an unnecessary interference with the rights of the other students? Yeah, I watched that one. The officer clearly displayed the big red bottle of OC spray, the people know what is going to happen if they refuse to move, they still refuse to move, force is applied as necessary to restore order. the big brave police will soon be brandishing their guns at unarmed protesters - we all know what will happen then... (how's your dates with bubba cumming along markswoman?) This post from one who proselytizes anarchy. Yep We get it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #205 November 20, 2011 QuoteWithout any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground You mean besides an illegal assembly and refusing to leave? That provocation? The lack of violence on the part of the protesters does NOT mean there was no provocation. Tell me, what way that did not involve some form of force did the police have to clear them out? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #206 November 20, 2011 we understand the police were only following orders...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #207 November 20, 2011 Quotewe understand the police were only following orders... And those orders were to enforce the law"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #208 November 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteWithout any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground You mean besides an illegal assembly and refusing to leave? That provocation? The lack of violence on the part of the protesters does NOT mean there was no provocation. Tell me, what way that did not involve some form of force did the police have to clear them out? I think those of you who support any actions by the police in instances like this to "protect" you... will find yourselves on the wrong side of history... yet again. the history of the last century in India, South Africa and here in this country are a place to start looking. The British saw the Indians as sub human.... the South African security forces saw their opponents as less than human... and many here.... see the protesters as something similar.. you need only listen to the usual suspects to see the same pog poo on your shoes attitude towards them. Militaristic police forces ALWAYS lose the support of the people as they are doing in greater and greater numbers in this country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #209 November 20, 2011 QuoteMore stunning video from UC Davis: Chancellor Linda Katehi held a press conference and then refused to leave the building as students gathered outside chanting, “We are peaceful” and “Just walk home.” After several hours, she was persuaded to walk out through two long, seated, deafeningly silent lines of outrage. Faculty and pretty much everyone else is calling for her resignation after the attack by police and pepper-spraying by the now-I.D.ed Lt. John Pike. http://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/11/20-0stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #210 November 20, 2011 Quote Quote Without any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground You mean besides an illegal assembly and refusing to leave? That provocation? The lack of violence on the part of the protesters does NOT mean there was no provocation. Tell me, what way that did not involve some form of force did the police have to clear them out? Sigh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #211 November 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteMore stunning video from UC Davis: Chancellor Linda Katehi held a press conference and then refused to leave the building as students gathered outside chanting, “We are peaceful” and “Just walk home.” After several hours, she was persuaded to walk out through two long, seated, deafeningly silent lines of outrage. Faculty and pretty much everyone else is calling for her resignation after the attack by police and pepper-spraying by the now-I.D.ed Lt. John Pike. http://www.commondreams.org/further/2011/11/20-0 Perhaps Lt Pike can get similar treatment and transferred to "special duty" like Det Inspector Bolgna of NYPD has been. They are NOT the sharpest knives in their departments drawers... and do a disservice to good cops. Here in Seattle we have some great officers... and then we have some real professionals like the guys who pepper sprayed and 84 year old woman and a priest...peacefully protesting. But that certainly does not stop the fascisti of applauding them for those manly man actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #212 November 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteWithout any provocation whatsoever, other than the bodies of these students sitting where they were on the ground You mean besides an illegal assembly and refusing to leave? That provocation? The lack of violence on the part of the protesters does NOT mean there was no provocation. Tell me, what way that did not involve some form of force did the police have to clear them out? If I understand you correctly that you are defending the actions of the cop, then you, sir, are part of the problem. Peaceful protest does NOT warrant violent response from the cops. Not noway. Not nohow. Your support of it tells me you are a violent person yourself and would do the same as the cop had you been in his shoes. Is that a correct assumption? You ask about "force". Yes, sometimes force is necessary...the question is the situation and what force and its application is reasonable. This situation does NOT warrant the response we see from the cops. What would be reasonable, IMO, would have been simply picking them up and taking them away. I'd love to hear your reasoning the justify the violent response to peaceful protest....and no, the legality of the assembly nor the refusal to leave is a valid justification. What else you got? This whole idea of "restoring peace" by using violence against what was a peaceful demonstration is so far beyond proper and reasonable as to make me sick to my stomach to see it. Fucking asshole cops.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #213 November 20, 2011 QuoteFucking asshole cops. In the early 1990s I used to play in the Southern Alberta Senior Hockey League. It was a place where many pro-hockey rejects gathered to continue beating on each other for the love of the game. It was the most violent hockey I have ever played in my life. Whenever we played the police's team, you could count on the game being extra dirty. It was basically the real world version of the movie "Slap Shot" but minus the Hollywood theatrics. Without a doubt those cops were dirty MOFOs. However with all that said, the police have an extremely difficult job to do. The politicians are only listening to the public who is saying "Enough already, it is time to clean up this Occupy mess". The police are only operating on the orders coming from above to disband the squatters. I am sorry if you are too partisan to recognize this, but this whole "Occupy" mess was started by a Leftist Anti-Business organization from Vancouver BC and has the backing of Big Labor, and the gullible students from socialist academia as a way to deflect blame away from the poor job Obama has done on the economy. Where is the Left's outrage at the extreme wealth that Hollywood possesses? How come these same Labor Unions are not backing "Occupy Hollywood" movements? Why the double standard? These "Occupy" squatters do NOT represent the 99%. They represent only those who back Big Labor and the gullible already indoctrinated students of socialist academia. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #214 November 21, 2011 Well, you are missing the point. The validity of the protest is not the issue. The police response to it is the issue. Yes, agreed. The police have a job to do and sometimes it's a nasty one. Nobody in their right mind would argue that. Yes, officers should obey orders just like every other employee. Having said that, I have a hard time believing that the only option for the police was to violently attack. I have a hard time believing that the entities that sent them out ordered them to pepper spray the protesters to make them move. I believe it was a call made on-site either by a higher supervisor or an individual initiative by the sprayer. I disagree that it was the right call given the situation at hand.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #215 November 21, 2011 Wasn't this just a simple matter of the Police requesting the protesters clear the sidewalk so others could get through and the protesters refusing to do so? I can't see where it's such a big deal. They have the right to protest, what they don't have the right to do is to prevent others from pursuing their education by blocking their access to the school buildings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #216 November 21, 2011 QuoteI can't see where it's such a big deal. One can of pepper spray, that was the big deal here. If the situation had been resolved without it, like it would have been the case in about every other Western nation, the US police wouldn't be suffering a gigantic PR nightmare right now. It probably helps a bit that they suspended the fat pig who's responsible, but I'm afraid that was too little too late. And the kids who got sprayed are practically martyrs now of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #217 November 21, 2011 Quote I think those of you who support any actions by the police in instances like this to "protect" you... will find yourselves on the wrong side of history... yet again. the history of the last century in India, South Africa and here in this country are a place to start looking. The British saw the Indians as sub human.... the South African security forces saw their opponents as less than human... and many here.... see the protesters as something similar.. you need only listen to the usual suspects to see the same pog poo on your shoes attitude towards them. Nothing was being done to “protect” anybody. What was being done was, in my mind, a demonstration to the occupiers that their rights are not greater than anyone else’s. Ever see what happens when police move in on squatters? It doesn’t matter that the person is passive in refusing to leave. The police will ensure that the person leaves one way or another. There is one thing for certain about the fleabaggers – they believe that their rights are absolutely superior to those of everybody else’s. Their right to speech trumps anybody’s right to silence. Their right to assembly trumps anybody else’s right to freedom of movement. They are so convinced of the superiority of their rights that they will face pepper spray. (Note – I give them credit on their moral courage for doing it. They’ve got balls as big as their egos). Quote The British saw the Indians as sub human Funny you should bring this up. Who were the “occupiers,” Jeanne? Would it be the British who participated in “Occupy India?” If your answer is “yes” then you are correct. It turns out that ANYBODY who occupies something or someplace considers the occupied to be subhuman. To be unworthy. It turns out that Gandhi was someone who was favoring peaceful protest against the occupiers in an effort to get the occupiers out. I love your example, Jeanne. It proves the point better than any example I can think of. I also like “Occupy South Africa.” What happens whenever a bunch of hubristic white guys occupies something? “Occupy Native American Lands.” Yeah, a great history of occupying. “Occupy Warsaw!” “Occupy Palestine.” Just take a look at other “Occupy” movements and see where they went. This Occupy is no different – a bunch of self-absorbed and egocentric narcissist white guys seeking to exercise dominion over land, and doing so because, like the british, the boers and Conquistadors before them, they think that they have some moral and ethical superiority over the savages they are occupying. But at its core, they were really after Tea, Spices, Gold or, in the present instance, they are after the money held by others. (Note that occupiers always seek to engage in slavery – where others work for the benefit of a few. Sound familiar?) Quote opponents as less than human... and many here.... see the protesters as something similar Jeanne – you’ve confused the occupiers with the occupied. I tend to look at who is occupying. And yeah, those assholes in the Warsaw Ghetto fighting back against the occupiers. The Indians fighting back against the occupiers. I compare occupiers with occupiers. You are comparing occupiers with the occupied. Logically, it doesn’t make sense. (Take a look at dreamdancer’s posts. He’s fully cognizant and brags of his dream to destroy – just like occupiers of the past have done). My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #218 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteI can't see where it's such a big deal. One can of pepper spray, that was the big deal here. If the situation had been resolved without it, like it would have been the case in about every other Western nation, the US police wouldn't be suffering a gigantic PR nightmare right now. It probably helps a bit that they suspended the fat pig who's responsible, but I'm afraid that was too little too late. And the kids who got sprayed are practically martyrs now of course. Why don't the protesters just get out of the way of those who go to school to get an education? Why is it such an unreasonable request to ask that they clear the sidewalk and doorways? Why can't the protesters respect the rights of others? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #219 November 21, 2011 QuoteWhy can't the protesters respect the rights of others? Very few protests of any kind can be effective unless there is a possibly of upsetting the status quo of an organization. Otherwise the organization can simply ignore it. The protest pretty much has to be at least a bit disruptive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #220 November 21, 2011 QuoteWhy don't the protesters just get out of the way of those who go to school to get an education? Why is it such an unreasonable request to ask that they clear the sidewalk and doorways? Why can't the protesters respect the rights of others? That's not the point here. If they really were blocking people from going to school, they could and probably should have been arrested for disturbing public order or something. It's the needless use of violence the police used here to make it happen that's the problem here. The fact that the pepper spray is used in an almost casual way in front of cameras only adds insult to injury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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quade 3 #222 November 21, 2011 QuoteWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH Try not to onomatopoeia past the normal width of the forum. It Fs up the formatting.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #224 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhy can't the protesters respect the rights of others? Very few protests of any kind can be effective unless there is a possibly of upsetting the status quo of an organization. Otherwise the organization can simply ignore it. The protest pretty much has to be at least a bit disruptive. What organization are they trying to upset? The school? I could understand it if they were protesting a business but why protest the school by pissing off your fellow students? Don't the school administrators also have a responsibility to the other students to provide them with clear access to the classroom? I'm pretty sure the prostesters got exactly what they wanted. I think the organizers anticipated this and they went looking for controversy to gain support for their cause. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #225 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHH Try not to onomatopoeia past the normal width of the forum. It Fs up the formatting. Perhaps it's a form of protest? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
