mnealtx 0 #76 November 16, 2011 Quotethese would be the riots invented by the criminal murdoch family and their mouthpieces... That's even more pathetic than your norm, Kevin.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #77 November 16, 2011 not as pathetic as hacking into veterans and murder victims phones to get their 'news'. your blind belief in the criminal murdoch family is cute. i'm sure they'd give you a pat on the head if you ever get to meet your heroes...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #78 November 16, 2011 Quotenot as pathetic as hacking into veterans and murder victims phones to get their 'news'. This has *what* to do with Zucotti Park, again? Quoteyour blind belief in the criminal murdoch family is cute. Speaking of blind beliefs...got any evidence on these 'manufactured riots'? And *if* those riots were 'manufactured', that Murdoch was involved? Quotei'm sure they'd give you a pat on the head if you ever get to meet your heroes... Is that what you get from alter-nut for your daily regurgitations? You sell yourself cheap.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #79 November 16, 2011 the only riots are those put in your head by the criminal murdoch family... who are busy hacking into murder victims and veterans phones to get their 'news' just for you.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elite_Marksman 0 #80 November 16, 2011 Quotethe only riots are those put in your head by the criminal murdoch family... who are busy hacking into murder victims and veterans phones to get their 'news' just for you. Right, because the OWS supporter who was talking to a news reporter from Oakland was really working for Murdoch when she admitted seeing people in the crowd throwing objects at the police. The video is linked in one of these threads somewhere, I forget which one though. Throwing things at other people (be they rocks, plastic bottles, sticks, etc) and setting up barricades does not make a "peaceful assembly." It makes a "riot," and "riots" are illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #81 November 16, 2011 It is a peacable assembly if it shuts down a port? It is a peacable assembly if it blocks others from using public places? It is a peacable assembly if it shuts down the subway? It is a peacable assembly if it invovles rapes, fights, and shootings? It is a peacable assembly if it invovles such disgusting conditions that it spreads disease and leaves filth strewn across the ground? It is a peacable assembly if it forces it's way into private places where it is not welcome? It is a peacable assembly if it refuses to leave a private place after warnings from owners and police? It is a peacable assembly if it throws things at police?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #82 November 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt's not subject to time since there is no restriction on hours of access. As previously stated, it's public space. Privately owned public space, which means that when the owners say "go", they have to go. It's a "Privately Owned Public Space." Different rules apply. You should probably check that out.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #83 November 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's not subject to time since there is no restriction on hours of access. As previously stated, it's public space. Privately owned public space, which means that when the owners say "go", they have to go. It's a "Privately Owned Public Space." Different rules apply. You should probably check that out. If it's privately owned, the owners can tell them to leave and the First Amendment has no application. If it's a public space, the assembly has to be peacable to be afforded protections under the First Amendment. You should probably check that out.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #84 November 16, 2011 While you know a great many things about guns, you appear to have a lack of knowledge about how "public space" works with regard to the First Amendment and demonstrations. Privately owned property if designated a "public space" has completely different rules associated with in that regard. No. The "owners" simply can't tell the people to leave. It doesn't work like that. The "owners" own the land on which the property sits, but have contractually given access to the public as long as conditions are met. Those conditions in this case include an exemption in the zoning laws for the building associated with the property. As long as that exemption is in effect, the space is completely fair use by the public without any say whatsoever by the "owners."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #85 November 16, 2011 a car park is neither a car nor a park...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #86 November 16, 2011 QuoteWhile you know a great many things about guns, you appear to have a lack of knowledge about how "public space" works with regard to the First Amendment and demonstrations. Privately owned property if designated a "public space" has completely different rules associated with in that regard. No. The "owners" simply can't tell the people to leave. It doesn't work like that. The "owners" own the land on which the property sits, but have contractually given access to the public as long as conditions are met. Those conditions in this case include an exemption in the zoning laws for the building associated with the property. As long as that exemption is in effect, the space is completely fair use by the public without any say whatsoever by the "owners." I'm pretty sure it isn't zoned for camping indefinitely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #87 November 16, 2011 QuotePrivately owned property if designated a "public space" has completely different rules associated with in that regard. No. The "owners" simply can't tell the people to leave. It doesn't work like that. The "owners" own the land on which the property sits, but have contractually given access to the public as long as conditions are met. Those conditions in this case include an exemption in the zoning laws for the building associated with the property. As long as that exemption is in effect, the space is completely fair use by the public without any say whatsoever by the "owners." In which case, the "peaceable assembly" portion of the First comes into play.... so you're STILL wrong. City is perfectly within their rights to shut it down if needful... "All #public plazas# shall be accessible to the public at all times, except where the City Planning Commission has authorized a nighttime closing pursuant to the provisions of this section. In all districts, the City Planning Commission may authorize the closing during certain nighttime hours of an existing or new #publicly accessible open area# if the Commission finds that: (a) such existing #publicly accessible open area# has been open to the public a minimum of one year or there are significant operational or safety issues documented, or for new #public plazas# significant safety issues have been documented and provided as part of the application for authorization of nighttime closing; (b) such closing is necessary for public safety within the #publicly accessible open area# and maintenance of the public open areas as documented by the applicant;"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #88 November 16, 2011 Right. So the protest, in and of itself, was perfectly legal and it was only when legitimate sanitation and health became an issue that the city could temporarily close it to clean it. As I recall from a statement made by the Mayor yesterday, the protest is ok to resume in that space again.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #89 November 16, 2011 QuoteRight. So the protest, in and of itself, was perfectly legal Until they rioted, yup. QuoteAs I recall from a statement made by the Mayor yesterday, the protest is ok to resume in that space again. Not so sure about that - the injunction from their pet judge was overturned.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #90 November 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteRight. So the protest, in and of itself, was perfectly legal Until they rioted, yup. QuoteAs I recall from a statement made by the Mayor yesterday, the protest is ok to resume in that space again. Not so sure about that - the injunction from their pet judge was overturned. Yep They can return just no tents or tarps An article said about a dozen stayed last night"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #91 November 16, 2011 QuoteOccupy Seattle, while demonstrating in solidarity with the besieged protesters in New York City, faced a volley of indiscriminate police pepper spray last night. As protesters neared a busy street, police suddenly hit a large number of protesters — including an 84-year-old woman, a pregnant woman, a priest, and several teenagers — with mace. Dorli Rainey, the elderly activist stung in the face by law enforcement, was saved by a veteran who came her aid in the midst of the confusion in the crowd. Watch a local news segment about the incident below: http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/731525/seattle_police_pepper_spray_84-year-old_activist%2C_priest%2C_pregnant_woman%2C_among_others/#paragraph2stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #92 November 16, 2011 Why the hell would we want to read ANYTHING on that biased site? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #93 November 16, 2011 Mike - "peaceable assembly" has very little to do with it. "Time, place and manner" is the biggie. It doesn't matter if they aren't causing violence. If they are otherwise disruptive and preventing the quiet enjoyment of others, then the government may restrict it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #94 November 16, 2011 QuoteMike - "peaceable assembly" has very little to do with it. "Time, place and manner" is the biggie. It doesn't matter if they aren't causing violence. If they are otherwise disruptive and preventing the quiet enjoyment of others, then the government may restrict it. Sure... DA already spanked him on that one. I was rebutting his fallback to the First Amendment as proof that the Obsessed With Socialism crowd could be there under any circumstances...which gets blown out of the water once their assembly is no longer peaceful.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #95 November 16, 2011 you mean when/if the protest is no longer peaceful. at the moment it's all legal...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #96 November 16, 2011 Until they defecate, urinate, rape, murder, steal, trespass, interfere with commerce, block traffic, interfere with police activity, use illegal drugs, or start an open fire. I'm also sure I've missed a number of other acts that will surely doom the intelligence challenged group that IS the "occupy" mindset. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #97 November 16, 2011 Quote. So the protest, in and of itself, was perfectly legal and it was only when legitimate sanitation and health became an issue that the city could temporarily close it to clean it No. The protest itself was illegal but the City generally looked the other way. Governments are fine with performing a risk/benefit analysis. While the gathering was unlawful, it really was little more than a trivial nuisance. But once it became a cesspool and started really bothering other people, then the City decided to go do something about it, which the City had the authority to do all along. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #98 November 16, 2011 Quoteyou mean when/if the protest is no longer peaceful. at the moment it's all legal... Nope, I said what I meant.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,622 #99 November 16, 2011 Quote Why the hell would we want to read ANYTHING on that biased site? If you're going to exclude biased sources, you'll have to exclude anything owned by Rupert Murdoch (FOX, The WSJ...) and Newsmax too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #100 November 16, 2011 Quote Quote Why the hell would we want to read ANYTHING on that biased site? If you're going to exclude biased sources, you'll have to exclude anything owned by Rupert Murdoch (FOX, The WSJ...) and Newsmax too. CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS.... etc, ad nauseam.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
