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billvon    2,417

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And bad news for any running republicans.

Obama 39% Cain 34% Sep 26-27, 2011
Obama 44% Paul 34% Sep 24-25, 2011
Obama 44% Perry 38% Sep 22-23, 2011
Obama 48% Bachmann 32% Sep 20-21, 2011
Obama 44% Romney 41% Sep 18-19, 2011
Obama 43% Huntsman 35% Sep 16-17, 2011
Obama 47% Palin 35% Aug 31-Sep 1, 2011
Obama 45% Santorum 31% July 10-11, 2011
Obama 48% Gingrich 30% June 24-25, 2011

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And bad news for any running republicans.

Obama 39% Cain 34% Sep 26-27, 2011
Obama 44% Paul 34% Sep 24-25, 2011
Obama 44% Perry 38% Sep 22-23, 2011
Obama 48% Bachmann 32% Sep 20-21, 2011
Obama 44% Romney 41% Sep 18-19, 2011
Obama 43% Huntsman 35% Sep 16-17, 2011
Obama 47% Palin 35% Aug 31-Sep 1, 2011
Obama 45% Santorum 31% July 10-11, 2011
Obama 48% Gingrich 30% June 24-25, 2011



We don't need to consider that one anymore.
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We don't need to consider that one anymore.




Yes, but there are others on the list no more likely to win than she was.

I expect that if the poll were done now, she would still come out ahead of half the pack.



Which speaks volumes about how utterly fucking STUPID people in the USA have become.

The propaganda from the corporate media is making folks dumb and dumber. Faux News makes people believe that the Black Panthers are a real organization, that voter fraud is a real concern, and that all Muslims are a serious threat to the USA. Dumb and Dumber, without any shame or embarassment.

The USA is fucked. We'll be a second rate country in my lifetime. Much like England became after WWII.

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We don't need to consider that one anymore.




Yes, but there are others on the list no more likely to win than she was.

I expect that if the poll were done now, she would still come out ahead of half the pack.



Which speaks volumes about how utterly fucking STUPID people in the USA have become.

The propaganda from the corporate media is making folks dumb and dumber. Faux News makes people believe that the Black Panthers are a real organization, that voter fraud is a real concern, and that all Muslims are a serious threat to the USA. Dumb and Dumber, without any shame or embarassment.

The USA is fucked. We'll be a second rate country in my lifetime. Much like England became after WWII.



perfect example of how stupid america has gotten is when they elected Obama without even a record of voting in congress. present doesn't count.

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perfect example of how stupid america has gotten is when they elected Obama without even a record of voting in congress. present doesn't count.



I'm not so certain being a member of the US Congress before becoming President is as big a deal as you're making it out to be.

Please tell me how exactly many US Congressional votes each of the following people cast before being elected either President or Vice President of the US:

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Ronald Reagan
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush

Perhaps you might want to find a better metric.
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perfect example of how stupid america has gotten is when they elected Obama without even a record of voting in congress. present doesn't count.



I'm not so certain being a member of the US Congress before becoming President is as big a deal as you're making it out to be.

Please tell me how exactly many US Congressional votes each of the following people cast before being elected either President or Vice President of the US:

Dwight D. Eisenhower
Ronald Reagan
George H.W. Bush
George W. Bush

Perhaps you might want to find a better metric.



all of these people had a record to look at and tell what kind of president they would be based on how they performed in the previous job they had. Obama had no record to tell how he would make descissions.

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Their other choice was a Republican. After the preceding 8 years, a lot of people were in favor of anything else.
This is why I believe "None of the Above" should be a choice for every elected office on every ballot.
You don't have to outrun the bear.

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Their other choice was a Republican. After the preceding 8 years, a lot of people were in favor of anything else.
This is why I believe "None of the Above" should be a choice for every elected office on every ballot.



that shows the stupidity of America, vote for anything other than a rep from the same party. you may not like a candidate but don't vote for an idiot just because he isn't in the same party.

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all of these people had a record to look at and tell what kind of . . .



Ok, now we're getting somewhere. You're admitting a Congressional voting record has nothing to do with it.

Now that we're past that bit of nonsense.

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. . . based on how they performed in the previous job they had. Obama had no record to tell how he would make descissions.



Actually, he did. If you choose to ignore it, that's your decision, but he had a record of previous public service.
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all of these people had a record to look at and tell what kind of . . .



Ok, now we're getting somewhere. You're admitting a Congressional voting record has nothing to do with it.

Now that we're past that bit of nonsense.

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. . . based on how they performed in the previous job they had. Obama had no record to tell how he would make descissions.



Actually, he did. If you choose to ignore it, that's your decision, but he had a record of previous public service.



He didn't ignore it...didn't you see the 'voting present' bit, above?
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all of these people had a record to look at and tell what kind of . . .



Ok, now we're getting somewhere. You're admitting a Congressional voting record has nothing to do with it.

Now that we're past that bit of nonsense.

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. . . based on how they performed in the previous job they had. Obama had no record to tell how he would make descissions.



Actually, he did. If you choose to ignore it, that's your decision, but he had a record of previous public service.



during his time in congress, his votes would have given people an better idea of how he would be as president but by voting present he gave no idea of how he would govern. but then again maybe he did, he is present in the whitehouse but doesn't actually do anything.

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he is present in the whitehouse but doesn't actually do anything.




He did a few things, and failed at a few.


"On Taxes:

1. Extend Require economic justification for tax changes
2. Child tax credits and marriage-penalty fixes – GOP has long railed against the marriage penalty
3. Extend the Bush tax cuts for lower incomes – Misleading. Also extended the Bush tax cuts for the super wealthy, who received the lion’s share of the benefits
4. Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch – GOP platform plank

Small Businesses Policy:

1. Create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to invest in peer-reviewed manufacturing processes – Why should liberals care?
2. Expand loan programs for small businesses
3. Raise the small business investment expensing limit to $250,000 through the end of 2009

On Civil Rights/Social Policy:

1. Increase minority access to capital
2. Implement “Women Owned Business” contracting program – Great, quotas come to business
3. Reinstate executive order to hire an additional 100,000 federal employees with disabilities within five years. – More than eclipsed by federal layoffs
4. Grant Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba – Attempt to undermine Cuban socialist government
5. Promote cultural diplomacy
6. Appoint an American Indian policy adviser
7. Work to overturn Ledbetter vs. Goodyear _ Work to does not equal successful overturn
8. Increase the Veterans Administration budget to recruit and retain more mental health professionals – Increased military spending
9. Appoint a special adviser to the president on violence against women
10. Fully fund the Violence Against Women Act

For the Poor:

1. Expand the Nurse-Family Partnership to all low-income, first-time mothers
2. Give tax credits to those who need help to pay health premiums – 47 million Americans remain uninsured, have received no such help
3. Expand eligibility for Medicaid – Worked with Republicans to undermine Medicaid as part of debt-ceiling deal
4. Provide affordable, high-quality child care – Unaccomplished, as any parent can tell you
5. Expand Pell grants for low-income students – Unaccomplished, as any college student can tell you
6. Establish ‘Promise Neighborhoods’ for areas of concentrated poverty
7. Extend unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits – Didn’t happen, 99ers still shit out of luck

Technology/Internet:

1. Change standards for determining broadband access – I don’t even know what this means, much less why we should give a damn
2. Support network neutrality on the Internet – Support is just words, network neutrality no closer to becoming law
3. Appoint the nation’s first Chief Technology Officer – This is something liberals should care about why?

Consumer Protection:

1. Establish a credit card bill of rights – By all accounts this reform was toothless and did nothing to address outrageous fees and interest rates charged by the big banks
2. Create new financial regulations – No investigation of Wall Street, new regulations totally toothless and without effect
3. Create new criminal penalties for mortgage fraud – By all accounts insignificant and meaningless
4. Health Policy – Giant taxpayer giveaway to corporate insurers forcing poor Americans to buy health insurance from for-profit companies at inflated prices
5. Reverse restrictions on stem cell research
6. Close the “doughnut hole” in Medicare prescription drug plan
7. Require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions
8. Expand the Senior Corps volunteer program – Not accomplished
9. Require large employers to contribute to a national health plan – See #4 above
10. Require children to have health insurance coverage – See #4 above
11. Expand eligibility for State Children’s Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP) – Not actually accomplished
12. Require health plans to disclose how much of the premium goes to patient care – Dunno about you, my insurer hasn’t complied if this is true
13. Establish an independent health institute to provide accurate and objective information – Fine, but how is this liberal?
14. In non-competitive markets, force insurers to pay out a reasonable share of their premiums for patient care – But all markets are defined as competitive
15. Eliminate the higher subsidies to Medicare Advantage plans
16. Expand funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners
17. Increase funding to expand community based prevention programs
18. Sign a “universal” health care bill – Didn’t happen. ObamaCare is corporate welfare to the tune of billions of dollars

Veterans Affairs:

ALL VA SPENDING IS MILITARY SPENDING. MILITARY SPENDING IS NOT NOW, NOR WILL IT EVER BE, A PROGRESSIVE ACCOMPLISHMENT.
1. Fully fund the Veterans Administration
2. Assure that the Veterans Administration budget is prepared as ‘must-pass’
legislation
3. Expand the Veterans Administration’s number of “centers of excellence” in
specialty care
4. Create a military families advisory board

As Commander in Chief:

1. Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq – War ongoing, unlikely to end soon
2. Begin removing combat brigades from Iraq – Combat troops remain, mercenaries replacing withdrawn units
3. No permanent bases in Iraq – Define “permanent”
4. Send two additional brigades to Afghanistan
5. Strengthen and expand military exchange programs with other countries
6. Make greater investment in advanced military air technology
7. End the abuse of supplemental budgets for war – OK, but honest accounting is hardly a liberal accomplishment.

National Security and International Affairs:

ALL MILITARY SPENDING IS PRO-WAR, THUS NOT PROGRESSIVE:
1. Bolster the military’s ability to speak different languages
2. Make U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional on anti-terror efforts
3. Open “America Houses” in Islamic cities around the globe
4. Give a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration
5. Allocate Homeland Security funding according to risk
6. Create a real National Infrastructure Protection Plan
7. Increase funding for local emergency planning
8. Stop the development of new nuclear weapons
9. Seek verifiable reductions in nuclear stockpiles
10. Extend monitoring and verification provisions of the START I Treaty
11. Stand down nuclear forces to be reduced under the Moscow Treaty
12. Organize successful Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) Review Conference in 2010
13. Appoint a White House Coordinator for Nuclear Security
14. Initiate a grant and training program for law enforcement to deter cyber crime
15. Improve relations with Turkey, and its relations with Iraqi Kurds
16. Launch an international Add Value to Agriculture Initiative (AVTA)
17. Create a rapid response fund for emerging democracies
18. Restore funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program

Energy Policy:

1. Establish an Energy Partnership for the Americas – Why should we care?
2. Encourage farmers to use more renewable energy and be more energy efficient – Fine, but encourage is not an accomplishment, it’s just words
3. Require 10 percent renewable energy by 2012 – Didn’t happen
4. Release oil from Strategic Petroleum Reserve
5. Raise fuel economy standards
6. Invest in all types of alternative energy – By all accounts, spending has been tiny and insignificant
7. Enact tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars
8. Ask people and businesses to conserve electricity – Again, how the hell is asking people to do stuff an accomplishment? By that standard I, as a pundit, have accomplished more than 100 presidents!
9. Require more energy-efficient appliances
10. Create a ‘Green Vet Initiative’ to promote environmental jobs for veterans – Military spending
11. Create job training programs for clean technologies – Didn’t happen to any significant extent
12. Require states to provide incentives for utilities to reduce energy consumption – Didn’t happen to significant extent
13. Support high-speed rail – Support does not equal accomplishment.
14. Support airline service in small towns – Again, just words, actually service to small towns is being drastically cut
15. Invest in public transportation – So why are cities all over the country cutting service?
16. Equalize tax breaks for driving and public transit
17. Consider “smart growth” in transportation funding – Consider? Really? What if I consider saying that considering something is not an accomplishment?
18. Will seek more accommodations of bicycles and pedestrians – Will is not an accomplishment. So far, nothing
19. Help states and localities address sprawl – How? Where? Hasn’t happened
20. Share environmental technology with other countries
21. Double federal spending for research on clean fuels – 2 times zero = 0
22. Provide grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes – Trivial
23. Increase funding for the Environmental Protection Agency – So why’d their budget get cut?

Transparency and Personal Promises:

1. Release presidential records – Ha! Obama Administration set new level for paranoid secrecy
2. Require new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions. – How is this liberal? And how would signing a form actually ensure that such political affiliation didn’t come into play! Answer: does not.
3. Ban lobbyist gifts to executive employees
4. Create a national declassification center – Yet Obama keeps more documents classified than ever
5. Get his daughters a puppy – WHAT?!?
6. Appoint at least one Republican to the cabinet – WTF?

Education:

1. Recruit math and science degree graduates to the teaching profession – Hasn’t happened
2. Create an artist corps for schools – Hasn’t happened
3. Increase funding for land-grant colleges
4. Champion the importance of arts education – Talking isn’t accomplishment
5. Support increased funding for the NEA – Support isn’t accomplishment
6. Reduce subsidies to private student lenders and protect student borrowers – Hasn’t happened
7. Provide grants to early-career researchers
8. Environment – What about it? Keep it? Throw it away?
9. Encourage water-conservation efforts in the West – Encourage doesn’t equal accomplishment.
10. Increase funding for national parks and forests – Why has their budget been cut, then?
11. Increase funding for the Land and Water Conservation Fund
12. Create a community college partnership program
13. Pursue a wildfire management plan – This is liberal how?
14. Remove more brush, small trees and vegetation that fuel wildfires
15. More controlled burns to reduce wildfires – Actually, environmentalists oppose them
16. Expand access to places to hunt and fish

LGBT Issues:

1. Push for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors – Push for doesn’t equal accomplishment
2. Repeal “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy – Sure, but only after courts legalized gay marriage

Urban Policy:

1. Restore funding to the EEOC and the U.S. Department of Labor’s Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs
2. Reform mandatory minimum sentences
3. Create a White House Office on Urban Policy
4. Fully fund the Community Development Block Grant (CDBG)
5. Establish program to convert manufacturing centers into clean technology leaders
6. Establish special crime programs for the New Orleans area
6. Rebuild schools in New Orleans
7. Fund a major expansion of AmeriCorps – Anti-teachers union program
8. Create a Social Investment Fund Network

NASA:

1. Add another Space Shuttle flight – Didn’t happen
2. Use the private sector to improve spaceflight
3. Work with international allies on space station
4. Partner to enhance the potential of the International Space Station
5. Use the International Space Station for fundamental biological and physical research
6. Explore whether International Space Station can operate after 2016 – Explore doesn’t equal accomplishment
7. Conduct robust research and development on future space missions
8. Increase spending to prepare for longer space missions
9. Work toward deploying a global climate change research and monitoring system

Science and Technology:

1. Enhance earth mapping
2. Appoint an assistant to the president for science and technology policy
3. Support commercial access to space
4. Establish school programs to highlight space and science achievements


Oh yea, he killed Bin Laden.

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Plagerism:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/22/1009420/--A-comprehensive-list-of-Obama%E2%80%99s-Accomplishments


Does that somehow invalidate the information?
Did you never cut and paste anything?



It's not so much that it invalidates the information, because it does't, but it's the way it's presented without accreditation.

It's a weak tactic in a couple of ways. Some people use it in an attempt to present the material as their own, which is dishonest. To me the bigger issue is that in simply copying and pasting, it means there's not an actual conversation going on. The last issue is that even if the person isn't attempting to claim credit for the information, it makes it difficult to check without a link back to the source.

I think most posters of SC have been guilty of doing it. Some more than others. Some almost to the exclusion of any other form of communication.

It certainly doesn't show a lot of original thought.

My preference would be a link to the reference and at least an original comment of some sort to go along with it. But of course that's not binding at all.
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+1

Couldn't agree more. It's one thing to cut and paste with a link back to the original source. Cutting and pasting without that link is dishonest IMO as it leads the reader to believe it's your original thought.



Although, that's frequently not the intent, that is frequently the result.

It's just good practice to give attribution.
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Plagerism:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/22/1009420/--A-comprehensive-list-of-Obama%E2%80%99s-Accomplishments




Does that somehow invalidate the information?

Did you never cut and paste anything?



This, coming from a College Professor......

WOW!!!

Is it OK for students where you teach, to copy material without sourcing it?

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Plagerism:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/22/1009420/--A-comprehensive-list-of-Obama%E2%80%99s-Accomplishments




Does that somehow invalidate the information?

Did you never cut and paste anything?


This comming from someone who attempted to discredit an entire book simply because it shared an idea similar to a previous recording...

Classic John...

Not to mention the numerous times you've marked a sad face on posts that copy 'n pasted an uncited work that opposed your views...[:/]
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Plagerism:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/22/1009420/--A-comprehensive-list-of-Obama%E2%80%99s-Accomplishments



I know that I have such a bad habit of plagiarism here, Finally I have been busted. Strangely, I do feel better now that I have been outed.



I've had your number since the beginning, bud:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3402500;search_string=jclalor;#3402500
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Funny how some are throwing such a tantrum on crediting the article as opposed to actually making comment on the content.

It's not what you say....it's how you say it.
:S:S:S

IMO, overall score would have been a D+ on successful accomplishments.

But even so, there are many line items that made me say, "WTF are they thinking?" Many of those I was glad they didn't accomplish them.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Funny how some are throwing such a tantrum on crediting the article as opposed to actually making comment on the content.

It's not what you say....it's how you say it.



We're just trying to maintain our high level of integrity here!:P

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