JohnRich 4 #26 August 15, 2011 Quoterepublicans can't win without the religious wackos. Define "religious whackos". (This is so ironic coming from the person who alleges that I'm a hater for using the word "gun-o-phobe".) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #27 August 15, 2011 QuoteQuote Where did you get the idea that prayer automatically works overnight on such huge problems? Making a bush catch on fire is easy. Creating millions of new jobs takes a little longer. Well, creating the entire universe in 6 days suggests that you're wrong. Look up "omnipotent" in a dictionary. What took 6 days? That's omnipotent? What a slacker! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #28 August 15, 2011 >Define "religious whackos". The extreme religious right. The people who really believe they are about to be Raptured. The people who want to establish a Christian Taliban. The people who picket with signs saying "Thank God for dead soldiers." The people who think that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, and that all women came from one of Adam's ribs, and that a boat once held all animal life on the planet. They vote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #29 August 15, 2011 QuoteQuoterepublicans can't win without the religious wackos. Define "religious whackos". (This is so ironic coming from the person who alleges that I'm a hater for using the word "gun-o-phobe".) Colonel Cooper's "hoplophobe" is on the mark. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #30 August 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote Where did you get the idea that prayer automatically works overnight on such huge problems? Making a bush catch on fire is easy. Creating millions of new jobs takes a little longer. Well, creating the entire universe in 6 days suggests that you're wrong. Look up "omnipotent" in a dictionary. What took 6 days? That's omnipotent? What a slacker! Possibly the source wasn't peer reviewed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #31 August 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Where did you get the idea that prayer automatically works overnight on such huge problems? Making a bush catch on fire is easy. Creating millions of new jobs takes a little longer. Well, creating the entire universe in 6 days suggests that you're wrong. Look up "omnipotent" in a dictionary. What took 6 days? That's omnipotent? What a slacker! Possibly the source wasn't peer reviewed. Cthulhu wasnt available?Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 August 15, 2011 Quote Quote Awesome! So if GOD can't create jobs overnight, then maybe some people can back off blaming Obama then. After all, he's not God. The difference is, God does not think He is Obama. WHAM! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #33 August 15, 2011 QuoteTexas seems to think they can run the Big 12, but that sort of arrogance is one of the reasons why the Big 12 is quickly dissolving. I wouldn't be surprised to see Texas try to be an independent. Well the Big 12 should really be called the Big 10 as the Big 10 are now a Big 12. At least the old Pac-10 calls themselves the Pac-12. Confusing times in the NCAA especially if the Aggies were to join the SEC. But yeah I see how the Longhorns could think they own the conference. The only way to deal with this arrogance is to beat them on the field. I have always been neutral towards Texas (never liked them, never hated them). It was always Nebraska that I hated (haha the Buffs suck now but they were good when I lived in Boulder). But I might have to adopt an anybody but Texas attitude this season. Then again now that the Buffs are in the Pac-12 and no longer rivals with the Huskers, do I really care about the Big 12 (or should I say the Big 10) ... as I said confusing times. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #34 August 15, 2011 Quote I like Ron Paul. Geez...I thought YOU were Ron Paul. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #35 August 15, 2011 Quotet a boat once held all animal life on the planet. They vote. I wish He had left off the mosquitos.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #36 August 15, 2011 QuoteQuotet a boat once held all animal life on the planet. They vote. I wish He had left off the mosquitos. Think globally: if there were no mosquitos, there'd be no bats. No bats, no Batman. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 129 #37 August 16, 2011 QuoteWhere did you get the idea that prayer automatically works overnight on such huge problems? my whole point is that prayer does not work at all.....but thanks for supporting that theory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 129 #38 August 16, 2011 QuoteI like Ron Paul. I like Ron Paul too, believe it or not. Everything he says makes total sense. problem is that it requires EVERYONE, including corporations to play fair and by the rules. no (or less) government means no (or less) rules. certainly no (or less) enforcement of the rules. the first thing that would happen with Ron Paul's idealism is environmental disaster. corporations would not longer have to answer to anyone. The river next door to your house would be toxic sludge site. Your recourse would be to sue them. you do not have the resources to sue them, so you would look to the 'government' to enforce the rules that everyone agreed to play by. Enforcement costs money. that would require taxes to pay for it. taxes would have to be collected by the 'government'. Those taxes would have to be enforced. those not paying would be unfairly taking advantage of the 'no rules' agenda. the system falls on its face. Every idealism works; socialism, communism, democracy, Ron Paul, Obama, Ron Reagan, whoever you want. All the idealism's work, but ONLY if everyone plays by the rules. Since that is not the reality we live in, we require a funded government to make and enforce the rules that we set for society. The end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #39 August 16, 2011 >Every idealism works; socialism, communism . . . I don't think ANY idealism works in the real world. Any -ism is going to have problems; ideologies don't generally survive contact with the real world. One of the reasons that the US works as well as it does is that we take from everything. We're sort of a democracy, but we use representatives, and the president can function like a king in times of war. We are mainly capitalist, but we have socialist roads/police/EMS/ATC you name it - and we have communist national parks. We try to take the best parts of those systems and try to leave the worst out. Libertarianism is no different. It would certainly not work if zealots were in charge and tried to dictate everyone adopt it in its "pure" form. But as a whole we could use a lot more of it in our mix. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VTmotoMike08 0 #40 August 16, 2011 Quote ...since Rick Perry hosted his huge prayer day or whatever-the-hell-it-was-called in Texas. Anyone notice a huge drop in unemployment, or a massive reduction in the deficit? Have the country's morals changed? did ANYTHING change? nothing fails like prayer......maybe now we could ask our elected representatives to roll up their sleeves and fucking well get back to work..... Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: ""I prayed for twenty years but received no answer... until I prayed with my legs." ~Frederick Douglass, escaped slave" Also, one of my biggest pet peeves is Christians who set God up in Can't Lose situations. They say things like "God helps those who help themselves". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #41 August 16, 2011 QuoteQuoteI like Ron Paul. I like Ron Paul too, believe it or not. Everything he says makes total sense. problem is that it requires EVERYONE, including corporations to play fair and by the rules. no (or less) government means no (or less) rules. certainly no (or less) enforcement of the rules. the first thing that would happen with Ron Paul's idealism is environmental disaster. corporations would not longer have to answer to anyone. The river next door to your house would be toxic sludge site. Your recourse would be to sue them. you do not have the resources to sue them, so you would look to the 'government' to enforce the rules that everyone agreed to play by. Enforcement costs money. that would require taxes to pay for it. taxes would have to be collected by the 'government'. Those taxes would have to be enforced. those not paying would be unfairly taking advantage of the 'no rules' agenda. the system falls on its face. Every idealism works; socialism, communism, democracy, Ron Paul, Obama, Ron Reagan, whoever you want. All the idealism's work, but ONLY if everyone plays by the rules. Since that is not the reality we live in, we require a funded government to make and enforce the rules that we set for society. The end.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #42 August 16, 2011 Quote>Define "religious whackos". The extreme religious right. The people who really believe they are about to be Raptured. The people who want to establish a Christian Taliban. The people who picket with signs saying "Thank God for dead soldiers." The people who think that the Earth was created 6000 years ago, and that all women came from one of Adam's ribs, and that a boat once held all animal life on the planet. They vote. Then your original statement that "republicans can't win without the religious wackos" is false, because your so-called whackos are too few in number to sway a presidential election. The only way your statement could be true would be if you included regular religious believers in your "whacko" category. So which is it: Are you wrong, or is your definition of "religious whackos" itself out of whack? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #43 August 16, 2011 QuoteQuote(This is so ironic coming from the person who alleges that I'm a hater for using the word "gun-o-phobe".) Colonel Cooper's "hoplophobe" is on the mark. Yeah, that's the official term, but nobody knows what that means, so I simplify it to "gun-o-phobes". Everyone understands that term. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #44 August 16, 2011 Quotemy whole point is that prayer does not work at all... Others believe differently. So why does it bother you so much that some people disagree with you? It's interesting how liberals like to call themselves the tolerant folks. Yet, as we see in this forum, many liberals run a non-stop Christian-bashing campaign. And at the same time, I see hardly any Christians running around bashing athiests all the time. I find that rather telling about who are actually the tolerant ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,406 #45 August 16, 2011 >Then your original statement that "republicans can't win without the religious wackos" >is false, because your so-called whackos are too few in number to sway a presidential >election. So you believe that losing 40% of all Christians in the US (and 33% of all voters) would not sway a presidential election? I guess the Democrats are going to have an easier time than they thought they would! >Are you wrong, or is your definition of "religious whackos" itself out of whack? Actually you are wrong: ======================================= Christians Divided Over Earth's Age According to ChristiaNet.com Poll MEDIA ADVISORY, Aug. 14 /Christian Newswire/ -- ChristiaNet.com, the world's largest Christian portal with twelve million monthly page loads, conducted a recent poll asking, "Is the Earth billions of years old?" Regardless the selection of "Yes", "No" or "Unsure", these Christian voters agreed that, "In the beginning God created..." "A point of confusion seems to be whether there is a gap of time between the beginning of universe and the creation of Adam", stated Bill Cooper, President of ChristiaNet. Out of 797 polled, 43% believed the Earth is less than billions of years old. The vast majority of this group felt the Earth is between 6,000 and 12,000 years old. Using the Bible as their reference, many Believers cited the genealogies listed in the Old Testament as evidence. ============================================ Most Americans take Bible stories literally The Washington Times Monday, February 16, 2004 An ABC News poll released Sunday found that 61 percent of Americans believe the account of creation in the Bible’s book of Genesis is “literally true” rather than a story meant as a “lesson.” Sixty percent believe in the story of Noah’s ark and a global flood, while 64 percent agree that Moses parted the Red Sea to save fleeing Jews from their Egyptian captors. ====================================== May 25, 2007 One-Third of Americans Believe the Bible Is Literally True High inverse correlation between education and belief in a literal Bible by Frank Newport GALLUP NEWS SERVICE PRINCETON, NJ -- About one-third of the American adult population believes the Bible is the actual word of God and is to be taken literally word for word. This percentage is slightly lower than several decades ago. The majority of those Americans who don't believe that the Bible is literally true believe that it is the inspired word of God but that not everything it in should be taken literally. ========================================= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 129 #46 August 16, 2011 QuoteOthers believe differently. So why does it bother you so much that some people disagree with you? I'll tell you why John....because some of these people want to run the country based on prayer. That is unacceptable. What they are saying in fact, is that when we run into problems, we should pray. In other words, they are saying "I got nuthin' to offer" since as I noted, prayer does not work. We elected people to do work, not to freakin' pray. Pray on your own time, on your own dime, that is fine, that is your right. DO NOT try to run the country that I live in and am a citizen of by 'praying' for things to work and somehow call yourself an 'elected official'. It offends my intelligence. It embarrasses me as a human being. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 129 #47 August 16, 2011 QuoteI see hardly any Christians running around bashing athiests all the time. It actually happens all the time, apparently you do not listen to the Christians on the pulpit. we atheists have no moral values. we are communists, we teach children that we descended from apes, we are going to burn in hell, we are the cause of all the problems in the country. From homosexuality to Hurricane Katrina. Rick Perry said it himself. Michelle Bachman believes it and preaches it. So yes, us liberals sometimes do tend to bash the Christian right-wing. And the Christian right-wing firmly believes that atheists are evil. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #48 August 16, 2011 Quote Yeah, that's the official term, but nobody knows what that means. Projecting again? Texas isn't the whole English speaking world.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #49 August 16, 2011 Christians are awesome. I guess this one needed some "angel dust" to get home. Sure was nice of his congregation to support his habit of hookers and blow! I need a congregation........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #50 August 16, 2011 Most American presidents have been Christians, and none of them just sat around and prayed for things to happen. They mostly all turned out to be pretty good. Some not so good, like Obama and Carter, despite their religion. In fact, no American president has ever been an athiest, and yet despite their religious beliefs, they made America free, they won World Wars, brought the country out of Depression, put a man on the moon, and built the greatest nation in the history of the world. Damn those Christians! This fear some people have of religious presidents is unfounded. Even if they wanted to create a "christian taliban" society, our political system would not allow that to occur. So all this really shows is the unjustified bigotry that some people have towards Christians. As for me, I'm an atheist. But I'll happily speak out against bigotry, wherever I see it, even when it occurs against groups with whom I don't share a common belief. It's bigotry, because some of you are taking the actions of a very few Christians, and using that to extrapolate to the behavior of all Christians. It's just like characterizing all Muslims as being as strict as the Taliban. And that's dishonest. But somehow you guys think it's okay to do that to Christians in general... Christians are good folks. They may believe in a divine being, while I don't, but so what? They believe in family values, honesty and helping others. Me too. What's so horrible about that? I have no problems with any of the Christians that I know. So it's hard for me to understand the intense hatred that I see some people here exhibit towards them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
