Bush, War Criminal, Decides to Stay Home.

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www.guardian.co.uk


George Bush calls off trip to Switzerland

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George W Bush has had to call off a trip to Switzerland next weekend amid planned protests by human rights groups over the treatment of detainees at Guantánamo Bay and the threat of a warrant for his arrest. [...]

David Sherzer, a spokesman for the former US president, confirmed the move in an email to the Associated Press. "We regret that the speech has been cancelled," he said. "President Bush was looking forward to speaking about freedom and offering reflections from his time in office." [...]

The visit would have been Bush's first to Europe since he admitted in his autobiography, Decision Points, in November that he had authorised the use of waterboarding – simulated drowning – on detainees at Guantánamo accused of links with al-Qaida. Whether out of concern over the protests or the arrest warrant, it is an extraordinary development for a former US president to have his travel plans curtailed in this way, and amounts to a victory for human rights campaigners. [...]

Since the arrest of the late Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet in London in 1998, international leaders can no longer be confident of immunity. Israeli politicians have cancelled trips to London and elsewhere for fear of arrest warrants. [...]

Bush had been due to deliver a speech at a dinner in Geneva organised by the United Israel Appeal, a US-based organisation that helps Jews move to Israel.

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Where is this "warrant" of which you speak?

HAMMER:
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When Bush was Governor of Texas, the state convicted and sentenced to prison for 10 years a county sheriff for waterboarding a criminal suspect. Bush did not issue a pardon for that sheriff.

So basically he could even be prosecuted by the US for illegal actions as president and also by the international community for his criminal activity.

You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime

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Where is this "warrant" of which you speak?

http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/news/schweiz/5627-Sommaruga-will-Bush-verhaften.html

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Where is this "warrant" of which you speak?

http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/news/schweiz/5627-Sommaruga-will-Bush-verhaften.html

English please. You may as well have posted an advertisement for Brazilian coffee.

HAMMER:
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English please. Unsure You may as well have posted an advertisement for Brazilian coffee.

If you're interested in Swiss politics or legal news, learn the language. Don't be lazy.

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English please. Unsure You may as well have posted an advertisement for Brazilian coffee.

If you're interested in Swiss politics or legal news, learn the language. Don't be lazy.

Sorry.
I just figured, if there was actually a warrant issued, we would have heard about it here in the States.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
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Where is this "warrant" of which you speak?

http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/news/schweiz/5627-Sommaruga-will-Bush-verhaften.html

English please. You may as well have posted an advertisement for Brazilian coffee.

Dude, do you really not know that google translates everything for you? Are you stuck in the past?
LMAO

You're probably still using IE?

Try Chrome. Way faster. Much less prone to crashing. Perfect ad blocking. Built in spell check. All google tools run flawlessly and are integrated easily. After using Chrome, I will never go back to IE.

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yes, I am stuck in the past and still using IE.
I'm sure if there actually was a warrant there would be some news item available in English. But I'm pretty sure the whole thing is just somebody's wishful thinking.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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yes, I am stuck in the past and still using IE.
I'm sure if there actually was a warrant there would be some news item available in English. But I'm pretty sure the whole thing is just somebody's wishful thinking.

Seems to me those obsessed with Bush are the ones stuck in the past.

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Where is this "warrant" of which you speak?

http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/news/schweiz/5627-Sommaruga-will-Bush-verhaften.html

In Rütlischwur it is written: "The triune God is a witness that we have decided to protect our freedom against any foreign power and violence."

Maybe the entire citizenry of Switzerland should be arrested for their deriliction during 2 great wars while Americans and others were spilling blood to protect their freedom against a foreign power and violence. (I've always wondered how Switzerland managed to escape invasion in WW2. I just can't believe it's only because Hitler respected it's "neutrality". There's something Assange can look into,)

Maybe Bush's handlers called off the trip because Switzerland can't guarantee security. Same reason that these same human rights organizations will not challenge China, Iran, ....etc. on their soil because they wouldn't have the protections they get while nipping at the United States' ankles like a chihuahua.

Edit to add: I almost forgot my main point ...that Switzerland sat by idly without asserting their self-righteous campaign against human rights violations while they were literally surrounded by one of the most barbaric crimes against humanity in the world's history. Now they are wringing their hands over some BS waterboarding of a couple of really bad guys. All the prisoners had to do to prevent this "torture" is to accurately tell what they knew.

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yes, I am stuck in the past and still using IE.
I'm sure if there actually was a warrant there would be some news item available in English. But I'm pretty sure the whole thing is just somebody's wishful thinking.

Seems to me those obsessed with Bush are the ones stuck in the past.

Seems to me that it is really the leftist world that is obsessed with GWB.

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there is not a warrant, there is/was a threat of a warrant.... An activist group in Switzerland wanted to file a formal criminal complaint against Bush that may have resulted in a warrant.

probably a smart move on Bush's part - at least it will cut into his $100K speaking tour payments....

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Seems to me those obsessed with Bush are the ones stuck in the past.

Seems to me that it is really the leftist world that is obsessed with GWB.

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Seems to me those obsessed with Bush are the ones stuck in the past.

Would have loved to see that logic tried to be used a couple years after 9/11 in regards to Bin Laden. Needless to say, wouldn't have gone down well.

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Where is this "warrant" of which you speak?

http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/news/schweiz/5627-Sommaruga-will-Bush-verhaften.html

In Rütlischwur it is written: "The triune God is a witness that we have decided to protect our freedom against any foreign power and violence."

Maybe the entire citizenry of Switzerland should be arrested for their deriliction during 2 great wars while Americans and others were spilling blood to protect their freedom against a foreign power and violence. (I've always wondered how Switzerland managed to escape invasion in WW2. I just can't believe it's only because Hitler respected it's "neutrality". There's something Assange can look into,).

As I understand it, the Commanding General of Switzerland's defense forces was at dinner with Hermann Goering in the late '30s.

The Swiss General noted "we have 24,000 sharpshooters."

Goering responded "well we have 48,000 paratroopers - what do you think of that?"

"We would have to give each of our chaps two cartridges. Pass the butter, please."

Attacking Switzerland was, and is, considered a singularly bad career move. Doing so would demonstrate a level of historical futility - and abject stupidity - on a par with, say, invading Afghanistan ("the graveyard of empires").

The Germans were not THAT stupid...


BSBD,

Winsor

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Sorry, Bush, for all his faults, is no Bin Laden.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I didn't compare his actions, naturally. Nor did I try compare them as people. It's solely for the purpose of showing that time is often irrelevant and just because something has passed doesn't mean it shouldn't be punished or have attention paid to it.

Although that does sound like all politicians tactics. Cause trouble, wait for term to end and wait for the next guy to take the public's eye

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Seems to me those obsessed with Bush are the ones stuck in the past.

Would have loved to see that logic tried to be used a couple years after 9/11 in regards to Bin Laden. Needless to say, wouldn't have gone down well.

I can use that logic in regards to Bin Laden today and it will go down real well.

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Where is this "warrant" of which you speak?

http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/news/schweiz/5627-Sommaruga-will-Bush-verhaften.html

In Rütlischwur it is written: "The triune God is a witness that we have decided to protect our freedom against any foreign power and violence."

Maybe the entire citizenry of Switzerland should be arrested for their deriliction during 2 great wars while Americans and others were spilling blood to protect their freedom against a foreign power and violence. (I've always wondered how Switzerland managed to escape invasion in WW2. I just can't believe it's only because Hitler respected it's "neutrality". There's something Assange can look into,).

As I understand it, the Commanding General of Switzerland's defense forces was at dinner with Hermann Goering in the late '30s.

The Swiss General noted "we have 24,000 sharpshooters."

Goering responded "well we have 48,000 paratroopers - what do you think of that?"

"We would have to give each of our chaps two cartridges. Pass the butter, please."

Attacking Switzerland was, and is, considered a singularly bad career move. Doing so would demonstrate a level of historical futility - and abject stupidity - on a par with, say, invading Afghanistan ("the graveyard of empires").

The Germans were not THAT stupid...


BSBD,

Winsor

Yes, that and the Swiss were converting stolen Jewish gold to currency for the National Socialist German Workers' Party to further their effort to control the world. Allied pilots were held as internees when they landed in Switzerland. Those that were caught while trying to escape were moved to Stalag-like camps, and in some cases were treated worse than the Germans treated POW airmen. For the most part German pilots were returned to Germany. A saying during the war went something like "The Swiss work for the Nazis for 6 days and pray for the Allies on the 7th." So, maybe 48000 rifle cartridges were really not enough to keep the Nazis out. A little aid and comfort went a long way, it seems. Hitler was probably saving them for dessert.

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Seems to me those obsessed with Bush are the ones stuck in the past.

Would have loved to see that logic tried to be used a couple years after 9/11 in regards to Bin Laden. Needless to say, wouldn't have gone down well.

I recall lots of "Clinton didn't finish the job" remarks. But they didn't go on and on for 2 years.

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Seems to me those obsessed with Bush are the ones stuck in the past.

Would have loved to see that logic tried to be used a couple years after 9/11 in regards to Bin Laden. Needless to say, wouldn't have gone down well.

I recall lots of "Clinton didn't finish the job" remarks. But they didn't go on and on for 2 years.

Don't expect them to subside anytime soon. Hatred is a very difficult emotion for some to deal with. look at the hate and disrespect shown towards Ronald Reagan that still goes on even after his death. Very unhealthy to go through life with all that venom bottled up inside.

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Very unhealthy to go through life with all that venom bottled up inside.

Absolutely. Open the bottle and let it out constructively, or the venom just might just kill you.

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there is not a warrant, there is/was a threat of a warrant.... An activist group in Switzerland wanted to file a formal criminal complaint against Bush that may have resulted in a warrant.

probably a smart move on Bush's part - at least it will cut into his $100K speaking tour payments....

Oh, I see. There was a very remote chance some fringe element would seek to have charges brought against him, which, if the stars aligned just right, could have led to a warrant being issued.
You don't seriously think that was why he canceled, do you? That's pretty far out in left field.

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Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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at least it will cut into his $100K speaking tour payments....

I guess him making money is a bad thing.

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Clinton's speaking tour in 2005 included 43 speeches in 14 countries. He began in February and averaged about four speeches a month, usually charging about $150,000 per event. On occasion, the price was much steeper.

On October 18, 2005, for example, he addressed about 8,500 business executives at a "Power Within" motivational speaking conference in Toronto, Ontario, for a price of $350,000.

The next day he addressed a similar group at a "Power Within" conference in Calgary, Alberta, for $300,000.

Your Bush hatred is strong.