Tired of TSA's Expanding Power?

[kelpdiver 2]

I get it. To you, no hassle is too big.

It's amazing you skydive. No one checks us for any of these things (YET). Be interesting to see what you say when they start treating an otter load like any other commercial flight.

[falxori 0]

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I disagree, they've found that terrorists can blow a large hole in the fuselage with just over a 3oz mixture.

so, if you need "just over 3oz", why don't you just carry it in two bottles of 3 oz or even better, 2 different people?
you can always combine it later...

effective screening should be of the passenger and the way they behave, not only of what they carry (which is fighting yesterday's battle).

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[dgskydive 0]

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Be interesting to e what you say when they art treating an otter load like y other commercial flight

Shhh! Perris sits literally a hop-n-pop away from an Airforce base.

Dom

[ridestrong 1]

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I get it. To you, no hassle is too big.
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That's not what I'm saying... but I definitely don't think things are as BAD as they're made out to be right now.

Fact is, until they come up with the 'perfect world' for everyone system... we're going to have to settle for something.... like it or not.


What pisses me off more than anything is the fuckers that bring on 2 carry-ons and put BOTH of them in the overhead bin so there's no room for anyone else. Every time I get to my row and see the bin full, but no one seated in the row, makes me want to take their shit out, put it on the floor and piss on it.

So yeah there's things that piss me off, but security is not one of them.

*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.*
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

[popsjumper 2]

Yes.

It might reduce the problem if there was a sign posted on all the walls in the TSA area:

*Phone number for the ACLU.*
(with and advisory note:
*Get agent names!)*

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[okalb 78]

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What pisses me off more than anything is the fuckers that bring on 2 carry-ons and put BOTH of them in the overhead bin so there's no room for anyone else. Every time I get to my row and see the bin full, but no one seated in the row, makes me want to take their shit out, put it on the floor and piss on it.

First of all, the fact that you run into that problem tells me that you don't fly very often so of course hassles in the security line don't bother you. Second, the main reason for that problem is the airports nickel and diming the customers. Ever since the airlines started charging to check bags, people try to carry everything on. You occasionally had a few assholes that did it before that, but now I rarely get on a flight where the last to board aren't forced to check bags because there is no room left.

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[diablopilot 2]

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First of all, I think we're already pretty safe flying....

Yeah and most likely 99% of people would have said that exact same thing before 9-11. I would have been one of them.

Even with 9/11 factored in, it's STILL one of the safest forms of transportation, far ahead of, rail or road.

People need to get their heads out.

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You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously.

[ridestrong 1]

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First of all, the fact that you run into that problem tells me that you don't fly very often so of course hassles in the security line don't bother you.

I fly Frontier, I always sit at the front of the plane, and usually board last. I fly frequently enough.

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Second, the main reason for that problem is the airports nickel and diming the customers. Ever since the airlines started charging to check bags, people try to carry everything on.

No, the main reason is that people are inconsiderate and they don't want to take up any of their precious leg room with their own f'n purse or hand bag. It's simple, if you have 2 carry-ons you put one under the seat!

The people that hold the lines up and tend to have problems are the ones that don't have their shit together and try to bring on stuff that has been prohibited for the past 9 years now, or have too big of a carry-on, or think they can walk through the metal detector with their hat or coat on, or wait until the last second to take their kids shoes, belt, jacket off etc....


Example:

"What's that....? oh you didn't know you had to have your liquids in a separate, clear zip-lock baggy... Idiot!"

"What do you mean I can't carry-on my bottle of water.... it's not even open."

Passengers themselves are the main reason for hassles at the security check-point not the checkers.

*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.*
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

[billvon 2,400]

>No, the main reason is that people are inconsiderate

If you give people a financial incentive to carry more stuff on, they will. (They may also be inconsiderate, but money trumps almost everything else here.)

[tbrown 26]

With the holidays coming up, the thing to do is to orchestrate protests with people willing to go to jail for maybe overnight. They'll need to buy a ticket too. then all they have to do is strip naked at the security checkpoint. Put all their clothes in the basket. It will be a sure attention getter and focus plenty of heat on this issue.

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[ridestrong 1]

[replyIf you give people a financial incentive to carry more stuff on, they will.

[DSE 3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBL3ux1o0tM&feature=player_embedded#!
Foreign cartoon on the TSA process....
frighteningly funny

[Fast 0]

The problem that I have with all of this is that what they are doing isn't effective at all. Airport security has been almost completely ineffective for basically as long as I can remember back to.

What they are doing now won't even come close to stopping a person who is determined. There are countless reasons why.

Here are a couple of good articles on the subject.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/11/the-things-he-carried/7057/

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/10/for-the-first-time-the-tsa-meets-resistance-updated/65390/

The fact of the matter is that even the process of lining that many people up for security screening poses a risk that they are unable to solve. I mean, I don't think we should do nothing, but we need to take a step back and figure out what might actually be effective and implement that. The reactionary process that the current system is based on is never going to be truly effective.

~D
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[wmw999 2,121]

Here is an interview on NPR with John Pistole, the head of TSA, on the new procedures.

There are a couple of links in it, too, for expansions on that interview.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[skydivr 0]

The fact of the matter is that the government has spent billions of dollars on a system that all hate, just because the police and airport security were not allowed to PROFILE....it's our own fault we got hoisted by our own petard....

Keith Abner
D-17590

"Those who do, can't explain; those who don't, can't understand"

[ridestrong 1]

Sitting at DIA as I write this. Just passed through security with my rig. I have taken it as a carry-on the past 3 times I've traveled without incident until today.

As the TSA agent looked at my rig through the x-ray screener I can hear him asking for a supervisor. They then ask me if they can ' test' my rig, I say, "sure". So another agent swabs my rig and gets a positive "warning". He then calls over a supervisor who tells me we will have to go to the "private screening room" and I will have to completely take the rig apart in front of a specialist. After which I would have to return my pieced apart rig to my car.

After 20 min of waiting the explosives specialist shows up, takes out his Cypress x-ray card and takes my rig back to the scanner for comparison. It turns out to be quite the show as at least 10 different agents watch the specialists analysis. Thankfully, they came back with my rig, pins in place and hand it back to me. I thanked them for a great job, one of them said, "can you tell 9 News that". And here I sit.

*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.*
----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.----

[kelpdiver 2]

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As the TSA agent looked at my rig through the x-ray screener I can hear him asking for a supervisor. They then ask me if they can ' test' my rig, I say, "sure". So another agent swabs my rig and gets a positive "warning". He then calls over a supervisor who tells me we will have to go to the "private screening room" and I will have to completely take the rig apart in front of a specialist. After which I would have to return my pieced apart rig to my car.

After 20 min of waiting the explosives specialist shows up, takes out his Cypress x-ray card and takes my rig back to the scanner for comparison. It turns out to be quite the show as at least 10 different agents watch the specialists analysis. Thankfully, they came back with my rig, pins in place and hand it back to me. I thanked them for a great job, one of them said, "can you tell 9 News that". And here I sit.

so after a 20 minute delay, they conclude what they could have at the beginning? That your rig looks like the card? What prevents you from making a bomb that looks the same? How did they actually establish that your rig, which tested positive for nitrates, actually didn't pose a threat?

[kawisixer01 0]

I still laugh at how this summer after my last trip with my rig (one of four) I semi horrifically/amusingly realized that i had traveled every time with my nice big ol hook knife on my rig. This is after going through the swab test and visual inspection every time. I never even thought about it until one day at the DZ we were talking about traveling with rigs and some of the rediculous things that they allow/take away from travelers. But we are supposed to take TSA seriously and trust them to do a thorough job. lol

[mnealtx 0]

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[nigel99 143]

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the problem with that cartoon is that they don't screen the fat guys.

I went through Atlanta last night and only the "hot" people were being selected for full body scans. Seriously it was funny in the few minutes that I was at security reasonably fit 20-30's were pulled for scanning. In all seriousness they do seem to "pick a type" as I normally travel in casual clothing and don't get selected - yesterday at Atlanta it was business clothing selection day. Even after the scanner the guy did the old fashioned pat down (the explanation given was that I had my watch on my left wrist)

Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.