Study shows Liberals have different view of basic economics

[billvon 2,453]

>stereotypes and prejudices reigning supreme in your opinions today?

"Work ethic" is a self-described conservative value. Do you disagree?

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>stereotypes and prejudices reigning supreme in your opinions today?

"Work ethic" is a self-described conservative value. Do you disagree?

Yes, I disagree.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[billvon 2,453]

>Yes, I disagree.

OK, you think conservatives do not consider "work ethic" to be one of their core values. I'll keep that in mind.

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>Yes, I disagree.

OK, you think conservatives do not consider "work ethic" to be one of their core values. I'll keep that in mind.

I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I think Morality is a core value, does that mean all liberals are immoral?

I think patience is a core value, does that mean all libertarians are impatient?

I think self awareness is a core value, does that mean all Socialists are not self aware?

I think objectiveness is a core value, does that mean that you don't?

I this self accountability is a core value, does that mean every communist is not personally accountable?

Edit: spelling and fat fingers - Hey at least I am trying today.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Work ethic and personal responsibility are core values of most conservative minded people. The same can not be said of others. But the world is not black and white. A non-conservative can possess a strong work ethic and not even be aware of it, just as a conservative can be a hypocrite when it comes to their own work ethic.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[billvon 2,453]

>I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I didn't claim it did. I claimed that conservatives consider it a core value.

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>Yes, I disagree.

OK, you think conservatives do not consider "work ethic" to be one of their core values. I'll keep that in mind.

I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I think Morality is a core value, does that mean all liberals are immoral?

I think patience is a core value, does that mean all libertarians are impatient?

I think self awareness is a core value, does that mean all Socialists are not self aware?

I think objectiveness is a core value, does that mean that you don't?

I this self accountability is a core value, does that mean every communist is not personally accountable?

Edit: spelling and fat fingers - Hey at least I am trying today.

I noticed you did not point out the morality spewage that has poured out of "conservatards" mouths for the last 20 years as their CORE mantra. It seems the Family Values politicians of the so called "moral majority" have FAILED more often than not to live by those values.

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>Yes, I disagree.

OK, you think conservatives do not consider "work ethic" to be one of their core values. I'll keep that in mind.

I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I think Morality is a core value, does that mean all liberals are immoral?

I think patience is a core value, does that mean all libertarians are impatient?

I think self awareness is a core value, does that mean all Socialists are not self aware?

I think objectiveness is a core value, does that mean that you don't?

I this self accountability is a core value, does that mean every communist is not personally accountable?

Edit: spelling and fat fingers - Hey at least I am trying today.

I noticed you did not point out the morality spewage that has poured out of "conservatards" mouths for the last 20 years as their CORE mantra. It seems the Family Values politicians of the so called "moral majority" have FAILED more often than not to live by those values.

I noticed you missed where I didn't correlate REPUBLICANS (I wonder where the dyslexican spelling comes from) to morality.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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>I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I didn't claim it did. I claimed that conservatives consider it a core value.

And turtle says that they don't.

I always thought it was Protestants that had it as a core value.

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>I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I didn't claim it did. I claimed that conservatives consider it a core value.

And turtle says that they don't.

I always thought it was Protestants that had it as a core value.

I did not say that they "Don't."
Come on John, you can misinterpret better than that.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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>I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I didn't claim it did. I claimed that conservatives consider it a core value.

And turtle says that they don't.

I always thought it was Protestants that had it as a core value.

I did not say that they "Don't."
Come on John, you can misinterpret better than that.

You misunderestimate my abilities.

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>I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I didn't claim it did. I claimed that conservatives consider it a core value.

And turtle says that they don't.

I always thought it was Protestants that had it as a core value.

I did not say that they "Don't."
Come on John, you can misinterpret better than that.

You misunderestimate my abilities.

You would have to have these abilities to begin with.... .... .... dont you think?

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Rushmc, you clearly lack the profound respect that our dear professor kallend deserves. The amount of intellectual horsepower required for the mental gymnastics to justify his positions are unparalleled An oaf like me realize that AGW is a fraud after sharing one beer with "Mr. Global warming: Dr. Mann. Only a truly gifted genius can reconcile the contradictions in the AGW myth. Even more impressive is that, not only can he sway the unenlightened masses, he can even delude himself. His intellect is truly breathtaking.

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Rushmc, you clearly lack the profound respect that our dear professor kallend deserves. The amount of intellectual horsepower required for the mental gymnastics to justify his positions are unparalleled An oaf like me realize that AGW is a fraud after sharing one beer with "Mr. Global warming: Dr. Mann. Only a truly gifted genius can reconcile the contradictions in the AGW myth. Even more impressive is that, not only can he sway the unenlightened masses, he can even delude himself. His intellect is truly breathtaking.

How are you getting on with those attacks on Holmium?

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How are you [brenthutch] getting on with those attacks on Holmium?

Well, you do have to admit- they have a certain... attraction.

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>I think Work Ethic is a core value, but it does not make me a republican.

I didn't claim it did. I claimed that conservatives consider it a core value.

And turtle says that they don't.

I always thought it was Protestants that had it as a core value.

I did not say that they "Don't."
Come on John, you can misinterpret better than that.

"Yes. I disagree."

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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DISCLAIMER: I'm not bashing Libs! I heard this study on a conservative talk show today and thought it was very interesting.

I'm just throwing this out for some pleasant on-line debate..

Aside from the fact that it is a RW rag, rendering it useless as data or anything scientific must be objective, random and of a large sample size, the questions are either opinion-based or theory.

Trickle down theory is still prevalent, even tho no one has ever posted 1 major federal tax cut that has led to prosperity for most. Hoover tried it, 2 1/2 years later he signed the largest-ever tax increase; from 25% to 63% as he basically admitted 'tax cuts my friends' is bullshit. Reagan treid it, cut the top marginal brkt from 70% to 28% over 6 years and the debt tripled while tax receipts didn't keep up with outlays. Clinton increased taxes from 31% to 40% top brkt and receipts went several-fold of outlays.

Only a moron thinks tax cuts lead to prosperity. Someone post 1 occurrence, then post several. Even if there was one occurrence, that doesn't prove a trend but an occurrence. I can post several times where increased taxes lead to debt payment and properity for the masses. I can post where tax cuts and deregulation have led to disaster, teh Great Repiblican Depression is 1, the Great Republican recession is another.

Theory is fun to banter about, application is real. I'm doing major engine mods to my little shitbox car, all kinds of people are offerring theories from 'it will blow up' to 'you need to do X Y Z or it wont work, but the truth is that I won't know until I get it going and ram it.

They have data to show their % of who they find right or wrong, but no data or any kind of support to establish their theories of economics. This article is just propaganda.

Lucky there is no point in talking to you because you have your mind made up. but only an idiot would think that raising taxes is good for business. and you seem to forget that Reagan inherited an economy with interest rates above 20%. and Clinton stole social security money to balance his budget.

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Lucky there is no point in talking to you because you have your mind made up. but only an idiot would think that raising taxes is good for business. and you seem to forget that Reagan inherited an economy with interest rates above 20%. and Clinton stole social security money to balance his budget.

It sounds like you have your mind made up too. What a load of crap!

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Clinton's large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn't counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.

CLIKY

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DISCLAIMER: I'm not bashing Libs! I heard this study on a conservative talk show today and thought it was very interesting.

I'm just throwing this out for some pleasant on-line debate..

Aside from the fact that it is a RW rag, rendering it useless as data or anything scientific must be objective, random and of a large sample size, the questions are either opinion-based or theory.

Trickle down theory is still prevalent, even tho no one has ever posted 1 major federal tax cut that has led to prosperity for most. Hoover tried it, 2 1/2 years later he signed the largest-ever tax increase; from 25% to 63% as he basically admitted 'tax cuts my friends' is bullshit. Reagan treid it, cut the top marginal brkt from 70% to 28% over 6 years and the debt tripled while tax receipts didn't keep up with outlays. Clinton increased taxes from 31% to 40% top brkt and receipts went several-fold of outlays.

Only a moron thinks tax cuts lead to prosperity. Someone post 1 occurrence, then post several. Even if there was one occurrence, that doesn't prove a trend but an occurrence. I can post several times where increased taxes lead to debt payment and properity for the masses. I can post where tax cuts and deregulation have led to disaster, teh Great Repiblican Depression is 1, the Great Republican recession is another.

Theory is fun to banter about, application is real. I'm doing major engine mods to my little shitbox car, all kinds of people are offerring theories from 'it will blow up' to 'you need to do X Y Z or it wont work, but the truth is that I won't know until I get it going and ram it.

They have data to show their % of who they find right or wrong, but no data or any kind of support to establish their theories of economics. This article is just propaganda.

Lucky there is no point in talking to you because you have your mind made up.

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but only an idiot would think that raising taxes is good for business. and you seem to forget that Reagan inherited an economy with interest rates above 20%. and Clinton stole social security money to balance his budget.

Reagan also tripled the National Debt, and "W" couldn't balance the budget even after stealing Social Security. "W" lowered taxes and the stock market was 33% lower at the end of his term than at the beginning. Tell us again about taxes and business.

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DISCLAIMER: I'm not bashing Libs! I heard this study on a conservative talk show today and thought it was very interesting.

I'm just throwing this out for some pleasant on-line debate..

Aside from the fact that it is a RW rag, rendering it useless as data or anything scientific must be objective, random and of a large sample size, the questions are either opinion-based or theory.

Trickle down theory is still prevalent, even tho no one has ever posted 1 major federal tax cut that has led to prosperity for most. Hoover tried it, 2 1/2 years later he signed the largest-ever tax increase; from 25% to 63% as he basically admitted 'tax cuts my friends' is bullshit. Reagan treid it, cut the top marginal brkt from 70% to 28% over 6 years and the debt tripled while tax receipts didn't keep up with outlays. Clinton increased taxes from 31% to 40% top brkt and receipts went several-fold of outlays.

Only a moron thinks tax cuts lead to prosperity. Someone post 1 occurrence, then post several. Even if there was one occurrence, that doesn't prove a trend but an occurrence. I can post several times where increased taxes lead to debt payment and properity for the masses. I can post where tax cuts and deregulation have led to disaster, teh Great Repiblican Depression is 1, the Great Republican recession is another.

Theory is fun to banter about, application is real. I'm doing major engine mods to my little shitbox car, all kinds of people are offerring theories from 'it will blow up' to 'you need to do X Y Z or it wont work, but the truth is that I won't know until I get it going and ram it.

They have data to show their % of who they find right or wrong, but no data or any kind of support to establish their theories of economics. This article is just propaganda.

Lucky there is no point in talking to you because you have your mind made up. but only an idiot would think that raising taxes is good for business. and you seem to forget that Reagan inherited an economy with interest rates above 20%. and Clinton stole social security money to balance his budget.

So you're out of intelligent retort an you must reply by calling names? I see.

Reagan inherited int rates above 20%: Yes and so therefore he should bolster the military, chop taxes from 70% to 29% top brkt, contract the money supply and anything else he can think of? That's like building a storm shelter for 20 mph winds.

What you won't realize / admit is:

- The debt was stable @900B, no one had thought of deficit spending in peacetime to fight a sluggish economy

- The USSR was not out to get us

- Unemployment was 7.5% and fairly stable, it had grown 1% in the previous year.

This is not a horrible economy needing an emergency rescue, this is a slow economy needing some kind of action, but to chop taxes and spend crazy is not the answer either.

>>>>>>>>>>> Lucky there is no point in talking to you because you have your mind made up.

That's the point, genius, show me data. I've posted gobs of it and I will again. Don't worry about convicing me, convice the crowd with your tax cut data.

>>>>>>>>>>>> but only an idiot would think that raising taxes is good for business.

Firstly, those are your words, not mine. This is what I wrote here: Trickle down theory is still prevalent, even tho no one has ever posted 1 major federal tax cut that has led to prosperity for most.

OK, let's look at tax increases and how business did at these times.

- Tax cuts under Coolidge / Harding 73% to 25% top brkt:

Businesses did wel at first, then they took a major shit as we entered the GD.

- Tax increase under Hoover, handed to FDR who raised them more 24% to 63%, then eventually to 94% in 1944:

Businesses were devastated, then after the huge tax increase they flourished, GDP went crazy. The war created a huge tax need and in 1040 the war effort businesses did amazingly well.

- The immediate tax cuts post-WWII led to several small recessions, businesses didn't do well.

- Truman raised taxes and Eisenhower maintained them at 91% thru teh 1950's:

The debt fell 2 or 3 years and if it grew it basically teeter-tottered. This era was great for businesses and the country as a whole. Really the last time the debt fell by design, it fell for a nano second in 1969 with VN surplusses.

- Here we go with the FR tax cuts 70% to 28%:

I think it's fair to say that businesses fairly immediately did well, but it wasn't sustained. Not to mention the debt trippling which makes this data insignificant; you can't count data in a period where the government triples its debt in order to fatten up corporations, as well as tweaking labor laws to benefit business as reliable data. That would be like me going and buying a new Camaro SS and other toys on credit and trying to convince people I must be doing well.

- Clinton tax increases 31% to 40%:

Across the board tax hike for all. Business thrived more than ever before during a massive sustained period. Need we say more, thriving business, deficit to surplus, balanced budget all during fairly heavy tax increase.

- GWB tax cuts 40% to 35%:

Pure hell, disaster for business and for people. See, you think businesses and people are disconnected; truth is, as one does, so do the others. There may have been spurts of positive success with all the stolen house money, but this was the era of the worst economic times in 80 years.

CONCLUSION: I think we can say businesses do well with sharp tax cuts, at least for the short time. Then it flips and they get hammered huge along with everyone else. It's a very immediate gratification effect. Look at the Clinton era, businesses didn't do better under other presidents, other times and he raised taxes 9% after GHWB's 3%, so 12 years of tax increases, with a small cut in 97 created a foundation of wealth for people and for businesses.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States

So empirically tell me how businesses do well and can sustain success under tax cuts. The country, as a whole, suffers under tax cuts, altho businesses *may* do well for a short while a sthe free tax influx seems attractive.

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Lucky ......you seem to forget that Reagan ::Something something::. and Clinton ::something, something::.

nice going, he lives for these comments

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Lucky ......you seem to forget that Reagan ::Something something::. and Clinton ::something, something::.

nice going, he lives for these comments

And you guys live for dodging them; almost symbiotic.