California: Gun Registration

[JohnRich 4]

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California Assembly approves bill to expand rifle record-keeping

California would keep a permanent record of anyone buying a shotgun or rifle under legislation passed Thursday by the Assembly.

The measure would expand state law by adding long-gun buyers to a state Justice Department database that currently can identify only handgun purchasers.

The bill would apply to new purchases of long guns, and to those obtained from family members or brought into California by new residents...

Source: http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/06/04/1956957/california-assembly-approves-bill.html

And of course, when you inherit Dad's old shotgun after his death, and in your grief you don't think to register it, then the cops will show up to confiscate it. Or when you move to California with your gun collection, and because you're new to the state and don't realize there are registration requirements, then the cops will show up to take all your guns away from you. This is just another technicality that the gun prohibitionists will use to take guns away from citizens who haven't done anything to harm or threaten anyone.

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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News:

California Assembly approves bill to expand rifle record-keeping

California would keep a permanent record of anyone buying a shotgun or rifle under legislation passed Thursday by the Assembly.

The measure would expand state law by adding long-gun buyers to a state Justice Department database that currently can identify only handgun purchasers.

The bill would apply to new purchases of long guns, and to those obtained from family members or brought into California by new residents...

Source: http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/06/04/1956957/california-assembly-approves-bill.html

And of course, when you inherit Dad's old shotgun after his death, and in your grief you don't think to register it, then the cops will show up to confiscate it. Or when you move to California with your gun collection, and because you're new to the state and don't realize there are registration requirements, then the cops will show up to take all your guns away from you. This is just another technicality that the gun prohibitionists will use to take guns away from citizens who haven't done anything to harm or threaten anyone.

The government has the right to regulate guns.

[JohnRich 4]

The government has the right to regulate speech.

[Remster 24]

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The government has the right to regulate speech.

Now you're getting it! Try abusive language, libel, threats. Just because something is a right does not mean it is an absolute one.

Remster

[airtwardo 6]

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The government has the right to regulate speech.

The government has the right to regulate sex.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[wmw999 2,149]

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The government has the right to regulate sex.

Well, to look at or listen to some people, one might wish they could regulate procreation

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[airtwardo 6]

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[lost_n_confuzd 0]

Only from my cold, dead.....You know the rest.

Government does not have the right to take guns away from responsible citizens.

[skybill 19]

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Only from my cold, dead.....You know the rest.

Government does not have the right to take guns away from responsible citizens.

Hi LC,
Yer right!!! The Guvmint does NOT have the "Right" to take guns away from reaponsible citizens, or anybody for that matter!! They do have a lot of "Power" to do that though!!
This "California long gun "registration" is just typical latte' lippin' liberal politics as usual. Meanwhile back at the ranch:

As things spin out of control, remember this:"All Politics in this country now is just dress rehersal for Civil War!"
-Billy Beck- AUG2009

SCR-2034, SCS-680

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Only from my cold, dead.....You know the rest.

Government does not have the right to take guns away from responsible citizens.

Hi LC,
Yer right!!! The Guvmint does NOT have the "Right" to take guns away from reaponsible citizens, or anybody for that matter!! They do have a lot of "Power" to do that though!!
This "California long gun "registration" is just typical latte' lippin' liberal politics as usual. Meanwhile back at the ranch:

As things spin out of control, remember this:"All Politics in this country now is just dress rehersal for Civil War!"
-Billy Beck- AUG2009

Oh is it liberal? Hmmm, why did the NRA revoke GHWB's card? GWb said he would have signed the fortunately sunsetted AWB if it came to him. It sounds good, but the Dems are only slightly more aggressive than the R's at trying to regulate guns.

[winsor 187]

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The government has the right to regulate sex.

Well, to look at or listen to some people, one might wish they could regulate procreation

Wendy P.

Stupid people shouldn't breed.

[LongWayToFall 0]

The old bush passed some fucked up law requiring a certain number of US parts in guns that are converted to pistol grip inside the country, a law that has never been enforced and only scares people just enough to waste money on parts that are total shit compared to the originals. I heard he did it as a bartering chip to negotiate with some liberals. Isn't that how most right wing gun laws come about?

[skybill 19]

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Only from my cold, dead.....You know the rest.

Government does not have the right to take guns away from responsible citizens.

Hi LC,
Yer right!!! The Guvmint does NOT have the "Right" to take guns away from reaponsible citizens, or anybody for that matter!! They do have a lot of "Power" to do that though!!
This "California long gun "registration" is just typical latte' lippin' liberal politics as usual. Meanwhile back at the ranch:

As things spin out of control, remember this:"All Politics in this country now is just dress rehersal for Civil War!"
-Billy Beck- AUG2009

Oh is it liberal? Hmmm, why did the NRA revoke GHWB's card? GWb said he would have signed the fortunately sunsetted AWB if it came to him. It sounds good, but the Dems are only slightly more aggressive than the R's at trying to regulate guns.

Hi Zim-bob-way Lefty,
'Never said anything about the NRA, GHWB's card,GWb,Dems, Repubs,AWB's,BWA's or BMF's got that!!!?? Go start yer own thread. 'Usedta' live in CA, got a one way ticket outa there some years ago and never looked back!! I don't know how they do it in Zim-bob-way but I hang out in NC these daze and current NC firearms laws have NO Registration of either long guns or hand guns! No licensing of Gun owners either! No Permit is required to carry a long gun or open carry a pistol however a permit is required to either purchase or conceal carry a pistol. All this is a far cry fron CA both politically and geographically!! I love livin' 'round here. Come huntin' season there're more rifles and shotguns hangin ' out in Red Neck Pick up trucks and in the surrounding woods and nobody freaks out!! Meanwhile, all is quiet on the Eastern Front.

PS, tomorrow 05JUNE10 is th C&E Gun Show at the Crown Expo Center in Fayetteville, NC too much fun B-There!

SCR-2034, SCS-680

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[DaVinci 0]

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The government has the right to regulate guns.

Based on???????

[kallend 1,649]

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The government has the right to regulate guns.

Based on???????

Supreme Court decisions.

For example: "Like most rights, the Second Amendment is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."

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[DaVinci 0]

Chief Justice Roberts:

"What is reasonable about a ban?"

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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The government has the right to regulate guns.

Based on???????

Columbia vs. Heller

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The Court said its decision should not be interpreted to question the right of government to: prohibit felons and the mentally ill from owning weapons, prohibit guns in schools or public buildings, ban certain categories of guns not commonly used for self-defense, and to establish certain other conditions on gun ownership.

CLICKY

[rhaig 0]

you may note that the DC ban was ruled unconstitutional in Heller v. DC.


And ChangoLanzao wasn't talking about a ban, but regulation of firearms. Which Heller v. DC established to be constitutional.

Also note that that ruling established the individual right to keep and bear arms.

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that the operative clause of the Second Amendment—"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"—is controlling and refers to a pre-existing right of individuals to possess and carry personal weapons for self-defense and intrinsically for defense against tyranny, based on the bare meaning of the words, the usage of "the people" elsewhere in the Constitution, and historical materials on the clause's original public meaning;

(yes, that's from wikipedia, but it's a pretty good summary, inserting the operative clause after it's referenced making it easier to read)

The reference to regulation referred to above comes from

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"should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms."

When those conditions or qualifications become excessive, then there may be another court case. Until then, SCOTUS has ruled, and I've not heard many pro-gun people disagree.

(edit to fix attribution)

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Rob

[skyrider 0]

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News:

California Assembly approves bill to expand rifle record-keeping

California would keep a permanent record of anyone buying a shotgun or rifle under legislation passed Thursday by the Assembly.

The measure would expand state law by adding long-gun buyers to a state Justice Department database that currently can identify only handgun purchasers.

The bill would apply to new purchases of long guns, and to those obtained from family members or brought into California by new residents...

Source: http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/06/04/1956957/california-assembly-approves-bill.html

And of course, when you inherit Dad's old shotgun after his death, and in your grief you don't think to register it, then the cops will show up to confiscate it. Or when you move to California with your gun collection, and because you're new to the state and don't realize there are registration requirements, then the cops will show up to take all your guns away from you. This is just another technicality that the gun prohibitionists will use to take guns away from citizens who haven't done anything to harm or threaten anyone.

The government has the right to regulate guns.

Did you honestly just say that? It was a joke right?

[MBiegs 0]

What's so hard about registering your guns? If you inherit a gun, register it, if you don't know the law, you find out first before moving there.

DO you really think the police will show up after your fathers funeral and ask for your gun paperwork? If you cause a problem with a gun that should have been registered, you should get in more trouble, or do you disagree with that?

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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The government has the right to regulate guns.

Did you honestly just say that? It was a joke right?

Which part of it don't you understand? Even our current supreme court has stated unequivocally that the government has the right to regulate gun rights.

[kallend 1,649]

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Chief Justice Roberts:

"What is reasonable about a ban?"

Please tell us in which ruling of the Supreme Court that can be found.

And "ban" is not the same as "regulation".

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[kallend 1,649]

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News:

California Assembly approves bill to expand rifle record-keeping

California would keep a permanent record of anyone buying a shotgun or rifle under legislation passed Thursday by the Assembly.

The measure would expand state law by adding long-gun buyers to a state Justice Department database that currently can identify only handgun purchasers.

The bill would apply to new purchases of long guns, and to those obtained from family members or brought into California by new residents...

Source: http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/06/04/1956957/california-assembly-approves-bill.html

And of course, when you inherit Dad's old shotgun after his death, and in your grief you don't think to register it, then the cops will show up to confiscate it. Or when you move to California with your gun collection, and because you're new to the state and don't realize there are registration requirements, then the cops will show up to take all your guns away from you. This is just another technicality that the gun prohibitionists will use to take guns away from citizens who haven't done anything to harm or threaten anyone.

The government has the right to regulate guns.

Did you honestly just say that? It was a joke right?

Maybe you should read the Heller decision more carefully.

www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[JohnRich 4]

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What's so hard about registering your guns?

Oh it's pretty easy to do. But my problem with gun registration has nothing to do with the degree of difficulty. It has to do with what the government does with those registrations later.

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If you inherit a gun, register it, if you don't know the law, you find out first before moving there.

And you think it's reasonable for someone moving to a new state, in the midst of all the turmoil of changing their place of residence, to read volumes of law books so that they understand everything about the legal requirements of the new state?

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DO you really think the police will show up after your fathers funeral and ask for your gun paperwork?

It has already happened in some places. There were news stories of police who watched the obituaries in the newspapers, cross-checked them with gun registration lists, and then went to visit the heirs to find out what happened to the guns. You see, that's one of the things that government does with registration lists.

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If you cause a problem with a gun that should have been registered, you should get in more trouble, or do you disagree with that?

I disagree. Whether or not a gun is registered has no bearing on any crime committed with a gun. If you commit a gun crime, you deserve to be punished. Period. It's the gun crime that is the problem, not some serial number in a government computer. Failing to register a gun harms no one, and should therefore not be a crime.

[DanG 1]

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There were news stories of police who watched the obituaries in the newspapers, cross-checked them with gun registration lists, and then went to visit the heirs to find out what happened to the guns.

Do you have any examples of this? I did a Google search for "obituaries gun registrations" and didn't find anything.

Thanks.

- Dan G