rhaig 0 #76 June 9, 2010 Quote Don't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? so you agree that gun registries are all about confiscation then.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #77 June 9, 2010 QuoteDon't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? nonsense - Kennedy had it right. License the individual to keep arms, don't make them list everything they own. It's simpler. If the individual commits a felony, then prosecute them. Then, (in Kallend's world), the new FELON will voluntarily (and happily, BTW) provide a list of all his guns and turn them in, or sell them to a legally licensed citizen, the moment the license is revoked. since you trust felons to follow obscure laws, this will work flawlessly ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #78 June 9, 2010 QuoteDon't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? The police should approach every felon as if they might be armed, regardless of whether or not their name is in some gun registry. Having their name in a gun registry is not cause for police to be more cautious, nor is the lack of an entry in a gun registry a good excuse for them to be less cautious. So, in the end, the gun registry changes nothing, and accomplishes nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #79 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuote Don't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? so you agree that gun registries are all about confiscation then. So you think FELONS should be allowed to keep their guns, then.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #80 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteDon't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? The police should approach every felon as if they might be armed, regardless of whether or not their name is in some gun registry. Agreed. It would also be nice to know that said FELON had any (previously legal) guns hidden away.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #81 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteDon't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? nonsense - Kennedy had it right. License the individual to keep arms, don't make them list everything they own. It's simpler. If the individual commits a felony, then prosecute them. Then, (in Kallend's world), the new FELON will voluntarily (and happily, BTW) provide a list of all his guns and turn them in, or sell them to a legally licensed citizen, the moment the license is revoked. since you trust felons to follow obscure laws, this will work flawlessly Whoosh. Nice way to miss the point.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #82 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteDon't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? The police should approach every felon as if they might be armed, regardless of whether or not their name is in some gun registry. Agreed. It would also be nice to know that said FELON had any (previously legal) guns hidden away. It makes no difference - they should still approach him as if he does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #83 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteDon't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? nonsense - Kennedy had it right. License the individual to keep arms, don't make them list everything they own. It's simpler. If the individual commits a felony, then prosecute them. Then, (in Kallend's world), the new FELON will voluntarily (and happily, BTW) provide a list of all his guns and turn them in, or sell them to a legally licensed citizen, the moment the license is revoked. since you trust felons to follow obscure laws, this will work flawlessly Whoosh. Nice way to miss the point. you are just upset because your personal logic in requiring registration back fires under every critical look ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #84 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDon't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? The police should approach every felon as if they might be armed, regardless of whether or not their name is in some gun registry. Agreed. It would also be nice to know that said FELON had any (previously legal) guns hidden away. It makes no difference - they should still approach him as if he does. Of course it makes a difference. He may be out of prison in 6 months and just goes to pick up his stash of guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #85 June 9, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Don't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? nonsense - Kennedy had it right. License the individual to keep arms, don't make them list everything they own. It's simpler. If the individual commits a felony, then prosecute them. Then, (in Kallend's world), the new FELON will voluntarily (and happily, BTW) provide a list of all his guns and turn them in, or sell them to a legally licensed citizen, the moment the license is revoked. since you trust felons to follow obscure laws, this will work flawlessly Whoosh. Nice way to miss the point. you are just upset because your personal logic in requiring registration back fires under every critical look I haven't seen a CRITICAL look yet.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #86 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDon't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? The police should approach every felon as if they might be armed, regardless of whether or not their name is in some gun registry. Agreed. It would also be nice to know that said FELON had any (previously legal) guns hidden away. It makes no difference - they should still approach him as if he does. In a society in which everyone has a gun collection, it's not just the FELONS that the police would approach in this manner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #87 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote Don't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? so you agree that gun registries are all about confiscation then. So you think FELONS should be allowed to keep their guns, then. I think felons should not be sold guns. I think felons are already not allowed to possess firearms. You are seeming to imply that once someone becomes a felon (my caps lock key isn't stuck) that the police should come confiscate their weapons. Is that correct? I may have inferred incorrectly.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #88 June 9, 2010 correct. If you've ever dealt with the cops, you might have noticed they asked you to keeps your hands where they could see them. sometimes they'll ask you to get out of the vehicle and stand where you can be seen when they call in your license. I have been asked to do these things, and I have a "good guy card" (a concealed handgun license). So they know how unlikely it is that I would attack them. But they follow procedure and are careful.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChangoLanzao 0 #89 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Don't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? so you agree that gun registries are all about confiscation then. So you think FELONS should be allowed to keep their guns, then. I think felons should not be sold guns. I think felons are already not allowed to possess firearms. You are seeming to imply that once someone becomes a felon (my caps lock key isn't stuck) that the police should come confiscate their weapons. Is that correct? I may have inferred incorrectly. You are seeming to imply that it's OK for FELONS to have gun collections but not OK for them to purchase guns legally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #90 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote Don't you think it would be handy to KNOW that the new FELON has a gun, and what it is? so you agree that gun registries are all about confiscation then. So you think FELONS should be allowed to keep their guns, then. I think felons should not be sold guns. I think felons are already not allowed to possess firearms. You are seeming to imply that once someone becomes a felon (my caps lock key isn't stuck) that the police should come confiscate their weapons. Is that correct? I may have inferred incorrectly. The guns should be impounded. The term "confiscation" implies taking without compensation. I'm not implying that unless a court orders it (like it orders confiscation of vehicles used in crimes etc).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #91 June 9, 2010 QuoteQuote I think felons should not be sold guns. I think felons are already not allowed to possess firearms. You are seeming to imply that once someone becomes a felon (my caps lock key isn't stuck) that the police should come confiscate their weapons. Is that correct? I may have inferred incorrectly. You are seeming to imply that it's OK for FELONS to have gun collections but not OK for them to purchase guns legally. well, as you quoted me saying (I assumed you read it, I assumed poorly) "I think felons are already not allowed to possess firearms." I don't disagree with that law, and I don't see how you could have inferred that from my post. It's illegal for felons (my caps lock still isn't stuck) to own or otherwise possess firearms. I'm good with that. Should we send the swat team (or their probation officer) to go inspect their homes to ensure they have no firearms? We can... Probation officers in most states have the right to drop in unannounced.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #92 June 10, 2010 QuoteThe guns should be impounded. Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #93 June 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteThe guns should be impounded. Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 I'm not going to click on that link until you explain in detail what it is about.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #94 June 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe guns should be impounded. Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 I'm not going to click on that link until you explain in detail what it is about. Hint: It's about illegally held guns in Chicago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #95 June 10, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe guns should be impounded. Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 I'm not going to click on that link until you explain in detail what it is about. Hint: It's about illegally held guns in Chicago. It needs to be a Lot more descriptive.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,647 #96 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote The guns should be impounded. Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 There are two false premises in your post. Fix them and I'll respond.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #97 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote Quote The guns should be impounded. Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 There are two false premises in your post. Fix them and I'll respond. I figured you would weasel out of answering that question. I realize it's a tough one for you. On the one hand, you would have to stick to your idea of confiscating illegal guns, which in these three cases would clearly be taking them away from good guys who used them only for self defense. And on the other hand, if you claim they shouldn't be confiscated, then you would sound pro-gun, and by gosh, you sure can't bring yourself to do that. So I know the answer presents a terrible dilemma for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #98 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote The guns should be impounded. Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 There are two false premises in your post. Fix them and I'll respond. I figured you would weasel out of answering that question. I realize it's a tough one for you. On the one hand, you would have to stick to your idea of confiscating illegal guns, which in these three cases would clearly be taking them away from good guys who used them only for self defense. And on the other hand, if you claim they shouldn't be confiscated, then you would sound pro-gun, and by gosh, you sure can't bring yourself to do that. So I know the answer presents a terrible dilemma for you. +1I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #99 June 10, 2010 Quote Quote Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 There are two false premises in your post. Fix them and I'll respond. Do you believe law enforcement officers should impound the firearms used in the thee incidents John offered?witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #100 June 11, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe guns should be impounded. Would you confiscate these illegally held guns in your home town of Chicago? See here: http://www.examiner.com/x-2581-St-Louis-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m6d9-Score-Chicago-illegal-gun-owners-3-bad-guys-0 I'm not going to click on that link until you explain in detail what it is about. Hint: It's about illegally held guns in Chicago. It needs to be a Lot more descriptive. If you need more information than that to decide whether or not you should read it, then I recommend you just skip it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
