turtlespeed 212 #426 December 17, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote fair enough, please address my point of how NASA's raw data should be public, not state secrets as you would suggest False premise - they are not state secrets nor are they treated as such. Then why is NASA/GISS being sued for non-compliance, after refusal to release data under FOIA? Anyone can file a suit for any reason they wish. That is only one possibility. He asked a specific question, which warrants a specific answer. Why do you deflect? What a stupid question. How am I expected to know why someone unknown to me filed a lawsuit. If Mike wants to know he should go ask the plaintiff and not ask me to do his homework. But - Kallend . . . you know EVERYTHING, don't you? Your opinions cannot be disputed, ever. So - you should already know.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #427 December 17, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotefair enough, please address my point of how NASA's raw data should be public, not state secrets as you would suggest False premise - they are not state secrets nor are they treated as such. Then why is NASA/GISS being sued for non-compliance, after refusal to release data under FOIA? Anyone can file a suit for any reason they wish. Deflection. If NASA/GISS had released the data as requested (instead of treating it like a 'state secret', perhaps?) they wouldn't be getting sued.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #428 December 18, 2009 Because Kalland is an uneducated douchebag Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #429 December 18, 2009 the lapses in logic are unforgivable Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #430 December 18, 2009 Your one warning. Cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #431 December 22, 2009 Terrified as we may be of the environmental apocalypse that is now unfolding, there are people working feverishly on solutions. This may give us hope. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2511875/nathan_myhrvolds_anti_global_warming.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,644 #432 December 22, 2009 QuoteTerrified as we may be of the environmental apocalypse that is now unfolding, there are people working feverishly on solutions. The Earth doesn't care at all if it warms or cools. People may find it kind of inconvenient if their 100 year floods become 5 year floods.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 187 #433 December 22, 2009 QuoteQuoteTerrified as we may be of the environmental apocalypse that is now unfolding, there are people working feverishly on solutions. The Earth doesn't care at all if it warms or cools. People may find it kind of inconvenient if their 100 year floods become 5 year floods. Well, you know that and I know that, but it does not have much to do with the idea that, having achieved climactic perfection, it is incumbent upon us to maintain it ad infinitum. Having people who flunked watered down Science for Liberal Arts Types courses lecture me on Mechanisms of Global Radiation Heat Transfer and other such subjects is a bit tough to swallow. I do not dispute that humanity is a factor in the heat balance of our planet. I do have an issue with the Problem vs. Solution mechanism that is now afoot. While I do not condone the treatment Galileo received from the Vatican, it turns out that neither the Vatican nor Galileo had a valid model of the issue that brought their conflict to a head (the effect of the moon on tides, IIRC). Thus, just because one side is out to lunch does not mean the other side is any less faulty. Anytime an argument takes on religious fervor ("deniers" <=> "heretics"), I am likely to hold both sides suspect. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FastRon 0 #434 December 22, 2009 Wow- just viewed all this today for first time- "Can't we all just get along?" Agree to disagree? "Evironmental apocalypse"? So- There may be global warming. It may be man-made? Climate does change- that is what it does. Expensive and expansive policy decisions based on near-religious devotion to agenda-based "science" are reckless. Scientists as as likely to follow the money as anyone else. When you ask why is...? FOLLOW THE MONEY! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #435 December 22, 2009 > When you ask why is...? FOLLOW THE MONEY! Yep. And most of it leads to Exxon-Mobil, Enron, Halliburton and the like - all of whom have trillions invested in denial. Google who supports the Heartland Institute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #436 December 22, 2009 Quote > When you ask why is...? FOLLOW THE MONEY! Yep. And most of it leads to Exxon-Mobil, Enron, Halliburton and the like - all of whom have trillions invested in denial. Google who supports the Heartland Institute. Already trying to forget the CRU extortion sheet I see"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #437 December 22, 2009 On the other hand, have you done any research to see what comanies with make the most money should cap n trade be made law? May surprise you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #438 December 22, 2009 Quote On the other hand, have you done any research to see what comanies with make the most money should cap n trade be made law? .... What? This is available in a conversant language? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #439 December 22, 2009 >Already trying to forget the CRU extortion sheet I see And what 'sheet' would that be? BTW I recommend when you see one of my posts and blow your top, you take a deep breath, figure out what you want to reply, and then reply all at once, instead of 2-3 replies to each of mine every time a new retort pops into your head. The thread is more readable that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #440 December 22, 2009 Quote Yep. And most of it leads to Exxon-Mobil, Enron, Halliburton and the like - all of whom have trillions invested in denial. Exxon is full of very smart, very responsible, people. They are making huge investments in gas. To claim they're irresponsible indicates a lack of understanding on your part.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #441 December 22, 2009 Quote Quote On the other hand, have you done any research to see what comanies with make the most money should cap n trade be made law? .... What? This is available in a conversant language? Your attitude is just simply not worth trying to take the time to make it simple enough for you to understand"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #442 December 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote On the other hand, have you done any research to see what comanies with make the most money should cap n trade be made law? .... What? This is available in a conversant language? Your attitude is just simply not worth trying to take the time to make it simple enough for you to understand Just write like you talk and I'll try to understand you (or better, not?) It must not be simple, Marc, just in your own proper language will do the trick. And I'll try my best to understand you. Man, when did you leave basic school? Is it that hard to use your own language/syntax? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #443 December 22, 2009 Quote >Already trying to forget the CRU extortion sheet I see And what 'sheet' would that be? BTW I recommend when you see one of my posts and blow your top, you take a deep breath, figure out what you want to reply, and then reply all at once, instead of 2-3 replies to each of mine every time a new retort pops into your head. The thread is more readable that way. Now you project Blow my top? LOL is more like it. You like to forget and ignore "invonvienent' bits and pieces dont you. And you do remember the post where the CRU dudes had the list of companies from whom they wanted/expected money right?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #444 December 22, 2009 Quote Quote Quote Quote On the other hand, have you done any research to see what comanies with make the most money should cap n trade be made law? .... What? This is available in a conversant language? Your attitude is just simply not worth trying to take the time to make it simple enough for you to understand Just write like you talk and I'll try to understand you (or better, not?) It must not be simple, Marc, just in your own proper language will do the trick. And I'll try my best to understand you. Man, when did you leave basic school? Is it that hard to use your own language/syntax? Your neck must hurt all the time"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #445 December 22, 2009 Quote> When you ask why is...? FOLLOW THE MONEY! Yep. And most of it leads to Exxon-Mobil, Enron, Halliburton and the like - all of whom have trillions invested in denial. Google who supports the Heartland Institute. So, show the trillions they've invested in the deniers, Bill.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #446 December 22, 2009 Quote .... Your neck must hurt all the time No. Never. You should have headache and perhaps, start to think. Why do I discuss with you. It's not important enough. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #447 December 22, 2009 Quote Quote .... Your neck must hurt all the time No. Never. You should have headache and perhaps, start to think. Why do I discuss with you. It's not important enough. Now you get it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #448 December 22, 2009 >Exxon is full of very smart, very responsible, people. They are making >huge investments in gas. To claim they're irresponsible indicates a lack >of understanding on your part. I didn't claim they were being irresponsible. They are being VERY responsible to their shareholders. And their shareholders benefit when the science surrounding climate change is obscured or distorted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,426 #449 December 22, 2009 >You like to forget and ignore "invonvienent' bits and pieces dont you. I often do forget invonvienent bits. I will also admit I don't understand ahtbnopogenic warming or gernouse gases as well as yourself. But I do try to follow the science instead of FOX News, and I find I learn more that way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #450 December 22, 2009 Quote >You like to forget and ignore "invonvienent' bits and pieces dont you. I often do forget invonvienent bits. I will also admit I don't understand ahtbnopogenic warming or gernouse gases as well as yourself. But I do try to follow the science instead of FOX News, and I find I learn more that way. Calm down you will be alright even if you cant remember thingsOh, and I do not watch any tv news of any kind. Havent for 3 years or so I read many different sites though, not just the BBC (thinking that they are unbiased) But I have to thank you for getting into the spelling insults too. Shows you are running out of anything with any substance to stand on"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
