Another dirty (or stupid) cop story....

[GogglesnTeeth 6]

I know the man that was driving his mother to the hospital in this story. I worked with him several years ago when I lived in Memphis and he is an extremely nice guy. Sorry to see this happen to him and his family.
Blue Skies to his Mother.

"A 83 year old woman dies while deputy writes a ticket. A son was taking his mom to the hospital when a sheriffs deputy stopped him and refused to let him drive to the hospital that was less than one mile away. "

http://webcastr.com/videos/underground/woman-dies-while-deputy-writes-ticket.html

Goggles and Teeth

"You fall like a greased safe!!!"

[shropshire 0]

That cop = wanker

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Butters 0]

Who are they serving and protecting?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[JohnRich 4]

Quote

"A 83 year old woman dies while deputy writes a ticket. A son was taking his mom to the hospital when a sheriffs deputy stopped him and refused to let him drive to the hospital that was less than one mile away."

He should have ignored the cop and continued to drive to the hospital, then take his lumps once there, while Mom was getting the attention she needed. He could have sorted it out in court, and kept Mom alive. Mom's life is more important than obeying a cop.

News story: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/mar/21/traffic-stop-cut-life-short-man-says/

[randompoints 0]

here's one that going on right now in Dallas
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032609dnmetcopstop.3e9c080.html

Freaking crazy, I just wish they wouldn't play the race card so quick. I've not seen to many cops have respect for anyone no matter what color they are

[Remster 24]

Quote

Quote

"A 83 year old woman dies while deputy writes a ticket. A son was taking his mom to the hospital when a sheriffs deputy stopped him and refused to let him drive to the hospital that was less than one mile away."

He should have ignored the cop and continued to drive to the hospital, then take his lumps once there, while Mom was getting the attention she needed. He could have sorted it out in court, and kept Mom alive. Mom's life is more important than obeying a cop.

News story: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/mar/21/traffic-stop-cut-life-short-man-says/

I'm glad we straightened this one out and put the blame squarely where it lies, the driver.

Remster

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

began checking Ables' license and insurance while calling an ambulance to take Vernice Ables from the scene.

Huh, I wonder why people haven't talked about this part of the story. Where the deputy called an ambulance. I also wonder why the driver/son hadn't called an ambulance initially if her condition was that bad?

I think people would be surprised how often people falsely claim some sort of ailment or aggrandized excuse in an attempt to avoid an officer from inquiring about them. Many of those same persons have outstanding warrants. Now, since some will make accusations, in my experience these persons have been white, black, hispanic and other defined racial groups.

We all know how accurate the media is in their reporting of skydiving incidents. Understand that they're just as "accurate" with their reporting involving police incidents. So what all happened is reasonably unknown at this point. The deputy may have acted in the wrong, then again he may not have. I just wanted to give people a bit of understanding, for those who think CSI is real and an episode of Cops is unedited and true to life.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[knic 0]

Still if the cop saw that the lady was gasping couldn't he have escorted them to the hospital? Then wrote up whatever he felt was necessary?

- Knic

[GogglesnTeeth 6]

Quote

Quote

began checking Ables' license and insurance while calling an ambulance to take Vernice Ables from the scene.

Huh, I wonder why people haven't talked about this part of the story. Where the deputy called an ambulance. I also wonder why the driver/son hadn't called an ambulance initially if her condition was that bad?

I think people would be surprised how often people falsely claim some sort of ailment or aggrandized excuse in an attempt to avoid an officer from inquiring about them. Many of those same persons have outstanding warrants. Now, since some will make accusations, in my experience these persons have been white, black, hispanic and other defined racial groups.

We all know how accurate the media is in their reporting of skydiving incidents. Understand that they're just as "accurate" with their reporting involving police incidents. So what all happened is reasonably unknown at this point. The deputy may have acted in the wrong, then again he may not have. I just wanted to give people a bit of understanding, for those who think CSI is real and an episode of Cops is unedited and true to life.

Dave,
I know the son in this story. I agree that some people would make all kinds of excuses to evade the law if they are wanted, etc. I worked with this gentleman for nearly two years, very nice fellow and no problems with the law during the time I knew him. If you read the "commercial Appeal" news story, he used his Chevy Avalanche with the expired tags because it was easier for his Mother to get into. I'm sure most of us, in a panic with a seriously ill loved one would have broken this minor law in order to try to get a mother or father to the hospital in time. The article said that he was in sight of the hospital sign during the incident the entire time as his mother died.
Sorry for Wayne's loss, he is a truly nice guy that doesn't deserver this type of treatment from the individuals that are tasked with our protection.

Goggles and Teeth

"You fall like a greased safe!!!"

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

Still if the cop saw that the lady was gasping couldn't he have escorted them to the hospital?

That opens the county/city and the department up for a high amount of liability, that's why medics were called.

Quote

I worked with this gentleman for nearly two years, very nice fellow and no problems with the law during the time I knew him.

How is the officer or deputy supposed to know this? That's why many departments have policy in place for this sort of situation. That policy is to call medics and offer medical aid, if possible, until their arrival. This is to alleviate civil liability. Beyond civil liability, many persons driving someone to a medical facility in cases like this, do not drive safely. They put others on the road (on foot or in vehicles) at significant risk. Remember, most people think singularly when considering that Law Enforcement's sole function is to "protect."

Someone else will say "the only violation" was expired registration and that its not a safety violation. I agree that in and of its self a registration violation isn't necessarily a safety violation, but we also do not know any other details of the report or situation.

I'm not saying that the deputy did the right thing. I'm also not saying that he acted in the wrong. Just offering up other discussion points for those reading here. Obviously its sad that the man's mother died. I also can't help but think that if I knew my mother may be moments from death, I would call for EMS to respond. They have more tools and more ability to maintain life then I do while driving a POV to a medical facility.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[JackC 0]

Quote

Quote

Still if the cop saw that the lady was gasping couldn't he have escorted them to the hospital?

That opens the county/city and the department up for a high amount of liability, that's why medics were called.

Much better to let them die. Less paperwork.

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

Much better to let them die. Less paperwork.

Close, but a death will more than double your paperwork, if you even care about such a thing when weighed against human life.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[kelpdiver 2]

Quote

I think people would be surprised how often people falsely claim some sort of ailment or aggrandized excuse in an attempt to avoid an officer from inquiring about them. Many of those same persons have outstanding warrants.

it's a fair point, but there doesn't seem to be any question that the woman did in fact die.

If he lived close to the hospital, I think his car would beat the ambulance. The last time I called one for a guy having chest pains in downtown SF, it was a good 10 (15?) minutes before they were onsite.

[AggieDave 6]

Quote

it's a fair point, but there doesn't seem to be any question that the woman did in fact die.

She did die, but you're looking at things after the fact.

Anyways, like I said, I'm not trying to say that the deputy acted correctly or incorrectly, just bringing up other talking points.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[Thanatos340 1]

Quote

I would call for EMS to respond. They have more tools and more ability to maintain life then I do while driving a POV to a medical facility.

Normally I would agree with you as I think by far most Law Enforcement Officers are trying to do the best they can while generally dealing with the worst of our society, How ever I have to disagree with this statement.

In many parts of the country, the responses to 911 calls are notoriously slow. There is no way in hell I would wait for an Ambulance if I have a Family Member that was in a time critical life threatening situation and it was possible for me to get them to the Hospital myself.

Get them to a hospital ASAP. Do not call and hope an Ambulance shows up in the next couple hours.

My Girlfriends Grandmother died a while back waiting on an Ambulance. She was in a Nursing Home ACROSS THE STREET from the hospital. They called an Ambulance and it took 45 Minutes before one showed up (the Ambulance went to the wrong nursing home first, Then went back to the Hospital). It was too late by then; she had been dead for at least 15 minutes by the time they arrived. Any time before that and she could have been easily saved.

Waiting for an Ambulance in some situations is just plain stupid. Sounds like this may have been one of those situations.

I also realize that we may not be getting the entire story here. Your point about inaccuracies in media reporting is well taken.

[Shotgun 1]

Quote

If he lived close to the hospital, I think his car would beat the ambulance. The last time I called one for a guy having chest pains in downtown SF, it was a good 10 (15?) minutes before they were onsite.

But once the ambulance is onsite, medical attention usually begins right away. You may be able to drive someone to the hospital in a shorter amount of time than waiting for an ambulance to arrive, but there is no guarantee that medical attention will begin immediately after you get to the hospital. So I think it's generally a toss-up as to which one is the best idea.

[jdthomas 0]

Quote

Quote

If he lived close to the hospital, I think his car would beat the ambulance. The last time I called one for a guy having chest pains in downtown SF, it was a good 10 (15?) minutes before they were onsite.

But once the ambulance is onsite, medical attention usually begins right away. You may be able to drive someone to the hospital in a shorter amount of time than waiting for an ambulance to arrive, but there is no guarantee that medical attention will begin immediately after you get to the hospital. So I think it's generally a toss-up as to which one is the best idea.

This is true that medical attention can start right away, but I have been on a few calls where we meet the family enroute to the hospital and transfered the patient from the car to our ambulance on the side of the road, thi saved the patient time in getting care as the pateint was a rural person living 15 miles in the country from the town, the drive time would have been a solid 20 mins with no traffic that is 2o minutes out of the golden hour just to reach them. as it was meeting them gave that person an extra 10-15 mins as I recall.
Joe

www.greenboxphotography.com

[ryoder 1,398]

For sheer stupidity, it's hard to beat this:

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=10066071

I wonder how morons called attention to their condition before we had the Internet...

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[JohnRich 4]

Here's another similar story:

"A Dallas police officer who detained an NFL player in a hospital parking lot despite his pleas that his mother-in-law was dying inside has been placed on administrative leave."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D975T9G82.html

[Butters 0]

Quote

Here's another similar story:

"A Dallas police officer who detained an NFL player in a hospital parking lot despite his pleas that his mother-in-law was dying inside has been placed on administrative leave."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D975T9G82.html

Cop who detained NFL player at hospital quits

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[NovaTTT 1]

Quote

Cop who detained NFL player at hospital quits

Resigned or get fired, to be sure. He'll keep his certification and get a job in another jurisdiction. Hopefully he's learned lessons in common sense, judgment and not being a dick.

"Even in a world where perfection is unattainable, there's still a difference between excellence and mediocrity." Gary73