Amazon 7 #101 May 3, 2009 Lets not forget how good of a Patriotic American she is...... well there is that little membership she and her family belong to.. to secede from America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #102 May 3, 2009 >Lets not forget how good of a Patriotic American she is...... well there is >that little membership she and her family belong to.. to secede from >America. She'd fit right in with the Texas "These colors DO run" GOP! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #103 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuote*** You do have a choice. It's called not having sex. NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #104 May 3, 2009 Quote Then people started to get to know her. She made her first gaffes, made the mistake of talking to reporters. The democrats pulled ahead a little. The dems pulled ahead and stayed there when the economy took a dump. The "we're not republicans" campaign hit full stride and McCain never had a chance. Palin's gaffes and portrayal in the media certainly didn't help, but the GOP never had a chance after the market crashed. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #105 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuote*** You do have a choice. It's called not having sex. NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. SP is on record as opposing abortions for rape victims. SP believes the government should decide that a rape victim should bear her rapist's child. A rape victim has no choice in the sex and SP want her to have no choice in the aftermath. Maybe you were so star-struck you weren't paying attention to what she has said.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #106 May 3, 2009 Quotethe GOP never had a chance after the market crashed. As is perfectly appropriate. According to polls, 80% of Americans blame the dismal economy on the GOP. Even the RNC chairman acknowledges it. All the GOP has going for it right now is "We hate Obama" and that is even apparent in this forum.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #107 May 3, 2009 >The dems pulled ahead and stayed there when the economy took a >dump. Timeline: Palin named end of Aug GOP popularity takes a surge; pulls ahead of democrats Palin starts gaffes in Sept GOP popularity plunges Economy tanks beginning of Oct GOP popularity begins to recover http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=INDEXDJX:DJI So while I agree that the economy had something to do with it, it was not the primary reason, at least according to polling results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #108 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote*** You do have a choice. It's called not having sex. NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. SP is on record as opposing abortions for rape victims. SP believes the government should decide that a rape victim should bear her rapist's child. A rape victim has no choice in the sex and SP want her to have no choice in the aftermath. Maybe you were so star-struck you weren't paying attention to what she has said. Maybe you should read what's going on before jumping into the conversation. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #109 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote*** You do have a choice. It's called not having sex. NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. SP is on record as opposing abortions for rape victims. SP believes the government should decide that a rape victim should bear her rapist's child. A rape victim has no choice in the sex and SP want her to have no choice in the aftermath. Maybe you were so star-struck you weren't paying attention to what she has said. Maybe you should read what's going on before jumping into the conversation. You mean post #60 of this thread, the one that said: "No, I am saying someone that thinks a rape victim should have to nurse the child of her attacker is stupid" The post to which you responded. Maybe YOU should check your selective memory before criticizing others.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #110 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote*** You do have a choice. It's called not having sex. NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. SP is on record as opposing abortions for rape victims. SP believes the government should decide that a rape victim should bear her rapist's child. A rape victim has no choice in the sex and SP want her to have no choice in the aftermath. Maybe you were so star-struck you weren't paying attention to what she has said. Maybe you should read what's going on before jumping into the conversation. Although you are correct that jerryzflies didn't take the personal comments that Rhys gave into his reply, he did re-direct the conversation back from personal confessions to at least a little more topic related. But... in discussing jerryzflies comments... does Palin truly think that the woman should be FORCED to carry, or does she just oppose government funding of an act that many people consider murder? (Note: I didn't watch the youtube clip because I don't have the privacy right now to listen and determine from that what her personal beliefs really are) Other points: Some have argued that they consider "war" as murder.... as an argument, that isn't really the same situation; apples and oranges. Those service men/women are part of a voluntary service (at least here in the US).... The "unborn child" is not there voluntarily. But even the term "unborn child" can begin a separate topic. A debate on "when does life begin" will bring lots of sanctimonious "truths" from many "experts" on "life." Personally, I don't know when it begins... I don't know if it's a fertilized egg or at first breath... but, since I don't know, I wouldn't call anyone "stupid" for their beliefs on either end of that spectrum... rather that they just have different beliefs than I do. But... all of this wandering of this discussion really doesn't have anything to do with the topic of Palin and the Stimulus package. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #111 May 3, 2009 Quote[does Palin truly think that the woman should be FORCED to carry, or does she just oppose government funding of an act that many people consider murder? (Note: I didn't watch the youtube clip because I don't have the privacy right now to listen and determine from that what her personal beliefs really are) She said explicitly in the interview that she would support a Constitutional amendment to outlaw abortion in all cases, including rape and incest. Rather hard to weasel out of that.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #112 May 3, 2009 QuoteYou mean post #60 of this thread, the one that said: "No, I am saying someone that thinks a rape victim should have to nurse the child of her attacker is stupid" The post to which you responded. Maybe YOU should check your selective memory before criticizing others. Look at post #74 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #113 May 3, 2009 QuoteYou mean post #60 of this thread, the one that said: "No, I am saying someone that thinks a rape victim should have to nurse the child of her attacker is stupid" The post to which you responded. He quoted the part of that post that he was responding to. It seemed pretty clear that he was talking about rhys's personal decision to have an abortion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #114 May 3, 2009 Since you can't view the clip: INTERVIEWER: If senator John Doe put forth an amendment that would ban abortion, even in cases of rape or incest, and he asked you to attend the announcement and support him in doing that, would you do it? . . . PALIN: I would. I would. And you know, it's no secret that I'm pro-life. And I don't hide that, nor am I ashamed of that, and I am pro-life... and yes, a proposal like that, I would stand by it. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryzflies 0 #115 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteYou mean post #60 of this thread, the one that said: "No, I am saying someone that thinks a rape victim should have to nurse the child of her attacker is stupid" The post to which you responded. He quoted the part of that post that he was responding to. It seemed pretty clear that he was talking about rhys's personal decision to have an abortion. And I was talking about his response to #90, in which rape victims are brought into the conversation.If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #116 May 3, 2009 QuoteSince you can't view the clip: INTERVIEWER: If senator John Doe put forth an amendment that would ban abortion, even in cases of rape or incest, and he asked you to attend the announcement and support him in doing that, would you do it? . . . PALIN: I would. I would. And you know, it's no secret that I'm pro-life. And I don't hide that, nor am I ashamed of that, and I am pro-life... and yes, a proposal like that, I would stand by it. She is absolutely allowed to have that opinion. Just as others believe in the rights of the women. And as a politician (ALL OF THEM - governors, senators, representatives, VP, Pres), they do have some limited ability to enact laws. BUT... that's why we have checks and balances so that one persons opinion doesn't become King (or Queen). The Supreme Court has decided that it is the womans right to make that decision. But basically, she CAN have that belief. Why is her belief such a big deal to you? Because it goes against what you believe? So what. Many people don't share all of my personal beliefs (for example: STAYING ON TOPIC IN DEBATES, firearms, universal coverage). I'm told to "get over it." Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. But deep down I know that what you or her or anybody else believes really isn't as important to me as what I believe. I would listen to opposing arguments, consider how those conclusions are made and it might make me re-examine my thoughts... but ultimately, MY opinion is what is important to me. Gov Palin can think and do as she feels appropriate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #117 May 3, 2009 Quote Lets not forget how good of a Patriotic American she is...... well there is that little membership she and her family belong to.. to secede from America. ROTFLMAO How soon you forget Obama's past.Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #118 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote*** You do have a choice. It's called not having sex. NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. SP is on record as opposing abortions for rape victims. SP believes the government should decide that a rape victim should bear her rapist's child. A rape victim has no choice in the sex and SP want her to have no choice in the aftermath. Maybe you were so star-struck you weren't paying attention to what she has said. Maybe you should read what's going on before jumping into the conversation. You mean post #60 of this thread, the one that said: "No, I am saying someone that thinks a rape victim should have to nurse the child of her attacker is stupid" The post to which you responded. Maybe YOU should check your selective memory before criticizing others. If you'd like to discuss abortion for rape victims then we can. The conversation between rhys and I was about choice abortion by a young couple because it was a mistake. Palin believes that abortion should only be allowed when the woman's life is in imminent danger. The point about rape and incest is a valid one but it opens a whole can of worms. If abortion is only legal from rape victims, what do you think will happen to the number of reported rapes? I'm going to continue following up my posts in this thread by pointing about that differing opinions doesn't automatically make someone stupid. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #119 May 3, 2009 QuoteNot really subjective. No, very subjective. Just days before the election she drew 60,000 to a rally in Florida alone. There were two main reasons for the outcome. 1. Economy 2. No one wanted anyone associated with Bush. And if you want to talk about screw ups you might remind your president that there are 50 states not 57!Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #120 May 3, 2009 QuoteWhy is her belief such a big deal to you? It would be a big deal to me if she decided to run for President. It is one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #121 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteWhy is her belief such a big deal to you? It would be a big deal to me if she decided to run for President. It is one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for her. So... do you believe in checks and balances? Do you think that she would be able to overturn a Supreme Court ruling? (not attacking, just asking. and do note - single topic decisions do make and break elections... not just this topic, but another example would be second amendment rights. Do you consider both topics to be as valid a reason to vote or not vote for a candidate) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #122 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy is her belief such a big deal to you? It would be a big deal to me if she decided to run for President. It is one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for her. So... do you believe in checks and balances? Do you think that she would be able to overturn a Supreme Court ruling? (not attacking, just asking. and do note - single topic decisions do make and break elections... not just this topic, but another example would be second amendment rights. Do you consider both topics to be as valid a reason to vote or not vote for a candidate) Yes, I believe in checks and balances. I doubt that she would get Roe v. Wade overturned if she was in office, but the fact that she wants to is one of the reasons why I wouldn't vote for her. (I suppose I should rephrase that to say "most likely wouldn't vote for her." Since it would depend on who she was running against.) As for Second Amendment rights, that's probably one of the few issues that I would agree with her on. And yes, I think both topics are equally valid reasons for voting/not voting for someone. (But hopefully most people don't vote based on a single issue, though I get the impression that some do.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penniless 0 #123 May 3, 2009 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhy is her belief such a big deal to you? It would be a big deal to me if she decided to run for President. It is one of the reasons I wouldn't vote for her. So... do you believe in checks and balances? Do you think that she would be able to overturn a Supreme Court ruling? If President she will have the power to nominate SC justices. Quote (not attacking, just asking. and do note - single topic decisions do make and break elections... not just this topic, but another example would be second amendment rights. Do you consider both topics to be as valid a reason to vote or not vote for a candidate) Of course her opinion on this is important. It illustrates very clearly how extreme her position is compared to the American mainstream. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #124 May 3, 2009 Quote Quote Lets not forget how good of a Patriotic American she is...... well there is that little membership she and her family belong to.. to secede from America. ROTFLMAO How soon you forget Obama's past. Its ok... I am SURE you would fit in with the AIP and other fringe right militia minded groups...your fellow travellers... Just as she would.http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/index1.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeForsythe 0 #125 May 3, 2009 Quote Its ok... I am SURE you would fit in with the AIP and other fringe right militia minded groups...your fellow travellers... Just as she would. Well that is the funny thing about being "sure", it doesn't mean your right!Time and pressure will always show you who a person really is! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
