Tell your wife/gf NOT to call me.

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And I want to know how much she charges too.

200 an hour cash.

Divot wants to know...can he just get five minutes worth?

Well Divot, here's your chance, she's headed down here soon.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[banesanura 1]

Describe it as modeling. As much of of jobs is actually fetish oriented photoshoots, performances, print work, meet and greets...etc...

I was published a few months back in my first book....now I'm trying to make the cover of the second book!

Best Girl Scout Ever.

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What does a hobby have in common with living with morals, convictions and just upright living altogether?

If your religion taught that jumping out of airplanes is immoral and not something that people who live upright lives should ever do, perhaps because your god didn't intend for humans to fly (we don't have wings, after all), would you ever have strapped yourself to another man and left an aircraft in flight? Would your life be richer or poorer now if that had been the case?

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On top of what some others said......I don't know how any many can enjoy getting his balls pounded in. Being beat on would only provoke anger in me; I think it's a natural reaction to this type of situation.

You gotta be a pretty messed up, sick and twisted person to either seek out something like this, as the customer and the provider.

You gotta be really fucked up to even consider jumping out of an airplane. That shit is crazy! Freefalling would make me shit myself; I think it's a natural reaction to this type of situation.

You're comparing apples and oranges....

They both are fruits. Whats the problem?

Ever try to make a screwdriver with an APPLE?!

Ever tried to smoke out of an orange?!

(I.C.D#2 VP)
""I'm good with my purple penis straw" ~sky mama

[Bolas 5]

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Maybe I do live a life on the short bus.....

Once a Farmer...

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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On top of what some others said......I don't know how any many can enjoy getting his balls pounded in. Being beat on would only provoke anger in me; I think it's a natural reaction to this type of situation.

You gotta be a pretty messed up, sick and twisted person to either seek out something like this, as the customer and the provider.

You gotta be really fucked up to even consider jumping out of an airplane. That shit is crazy! Freefalling would make me shit myself; I think it's a natural reaction to this type of situation.

You're comparing apples and oranges....

They both are fruits. Whats the problem?

Ever try to make a screwdriver with an APPLE?!

Ever tried to smoke out of an orange?!

Well actually, after enough screwdrivers...

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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How do you describe the income-generating activity on your tax returns?

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Describe it as modeling. As much of of jobs is actually fetish oriented photoshoots, performances, print work, meet and greets...etc...

I was published a few months back in my first book....now I'm trying to make the cover of the second book!

Why? Apparently, the most truthful description is the one you've used here: you're a Professional Dominatrix. Why not just put that down? Are you concerned that you might be charged with prostitution?

[banesanura 1]

No- thats just what was advised that we input for taxes. But now that you mention prosititution- I should ask escorts what they input. What they write...I'm kinda curious.

Best Girl Scout Ever.

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It isn't the behavior, it's the secretiveness that makes it cheating.
Whether it's sex, dinner, or getting beaten up; If you are hiding it, it's cheating.

What he said. Outside of gifts, suprise parties etc, things you don't want your signficant other finding out about are usually things you shouldn't be doing. One should either do such things at home with their significant other, reach an agreement with their significant other about doing such things with other people, or not do such things at all. Those are the only three decent options I can think of.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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It isn't the behavior, it's the secretiveness that makes it cheating.
Whether it's sex, dinner, or getting beaten up; If you are hiding it, it's cheating.

What he said. Outside of gifts, suprise parties etc, things you don't want your signficant other finding out about are usually things you shouldn't be doing. One should either do such things at home with their significant other, reach an agreement with their significant other about doing such things with other people, or not do such things at all. Those are the only three decent options I can think of.

Which brings up a reasonable question: what about strictly on-line relationships, especially (but not only) if they get into IM sex sessions?

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It isn't the behavior, it's the secretiveness that makes it cheating.
Whether it's sex, dinner, or getting beaten up; If you are hiding it, it's cheating.

What he said. Outside of gifts, suprise parties etc, things you don't want your signficant other finding out about are usually things you shouldn't be doing. One should either do such things at home with their significant other, reach an agreement with their significant other about doing such things with other people, or not do such things at all. Those are the only three decent options I can think of.

Which brings up a reasonable question: what about strictly on-line relationships, especially (but not only) if they get into IM sex sessions?

I can't think of any reason they should be treated differently than any other activity, so I'll go with what I said in the post above.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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I could show you a thing or two if you want...

I am soooooo let down. My ego has been crushed. You didn't make that offer to me when you had the chance.

Sheesh.. you are the one livin the dream out there at the DZ with all the hot young stuff... suck it up.. cupcake

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>I don't know how any many can enjoy getting his balls pounded in. Being
>beat on would only provoke anger in me; I think it's a natural reaction to
>this type of situation.

>You gotta be a pretty messed up, sick and twisted person to either seek \
>out something like this, as the customer and the provider.

Well, to be fair, I can't see how anyone can enjoy being pushed out of an airplane. Being pushed out should only provoke anger in any normal person; it's a natural reaction to having your life threatened.

You gotta be a pretty messed up, sick and twisted person to enjoy nearly dying over and over. And you gotta be even more sick and twisted to PAY a DZO to get him to do that to you!

Yeah, I was thinking this too.

Rafflers- who would get to decide what's moral and what isn't?

At risk of getting sent to SC, the Taliban did a pretty good job of enforcing their moral codes in Afghanistan. The Puritans were pretty strict too.
In more recent times around here, how about Nancy Reagan, Tipper Gore or Pat Buchannan??

The Declaration of Independence asserts the rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
I pursue my happiness by jumping and I don't want some safety fanatic to stop me because there is risk involved. I have no desire to be abuse by a gorgeous woman, but hey, to each his (or her) own.

And I want to know how much she charges too.

I think it's kinda unfair to compare Rafflers to the Taliban because he doesn't believe in s 'n m porn.
I remain indifferent to whatever Baensaurna (or whatever it is) does - what she does in private is up to her.
It would be nice however, if she could talk about something other than herself for once. Probably a really nice person, and I don't want to come across as a misery guts, but definitely seems a little attention seeking to say the least.

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would you ever have strapped yourself to another man and left an aircraft in flight

That right there is crazy shit.....

I am the one in control of my life... and some of those around me as well.

[Bolas 5]

At least not until it's over between you two or ya'll are separated.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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It would be nice however, if she could talk about something other than herself for once

This post wasn't all about me. I was poking at the fact that despite all the sources and means of communication (cell phones, text, email, video mail) we cannot communicate our intimate desires with the person we go to bed with each night.

And trying to obtain insight on why women would call me when the answer is right in front of them.

Best Girl Scout Ever.

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That right there is crazy shit.....

And highly immoral too. I mean, a guys bum being that close to another guys crotch? Why if they weren't careful, that could lead to..... dancing!!

[billvon 2,426]

>Why if they weren't careful, that could lead to..... dancing!!

and bestiality, and dogs and cats, and living together . . .

[VanillaSkyGirl 6]

This thread is so funny. If the man/woman is lying, has not shared a true fetish or is spending so much of his/her money, it affects that person's relationship. I'm confused as to how any person with common sense could not understand why a person would become upset with a SO's secretiveness about these activities.

Banes, you are a big girl. I don't know if you truly have no clue about this, but women are not the enemy. By now, you realize that many of your clients have wives or GFs, so you should be able to deal with these "work issues" without constant whining about "them". It makes me wonder if you do not feel a little jealous/competitive of those ladies/their relationships, since you seem to have such a harsh view and harsh feelings towards them.

Learn how to work within the situation with the couples as a whole, and you won't get so stressed over the calls from the ladies. If you are providing a true service, you should do all to share it. After all, that is the lifestyle, which the man already desires. If the woman remains in the relationship, maybe she will ultimately get into it, too. You could be a teacher of sorts to both. Otherwise, if you're not willing to share the fetish/job with both, then you are the one who appears territorial.

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>Why if they weren't careful, that could lead to..... dancing!!

and bestiality, and dogs and cats, and living together . . .

Cats and dogs living together? OMFG!

Remster

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Learn how to work within the situation with the couples as a whole, and you won't get so stressed over the calls from the ladies. If you are providing a true service, you should do all to share it. After all, that is the lifestyle, which the man already desires. If the woman remains in the relationship, maybe she will ultimately get into it, too. You could be a teacher of sorts to both. Otherwise, if you're not willing to share the fetish/job with both, then you are the one who appears territorial.

Thoughful and sensible, but I think you're reading too much into her posts. I think she's just looking for attention, and judging from this thread she got plenty of it.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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Yes...now tell us how you really feel.

What is that supposed to mean?

I just told you as bluntly as I could how I feel about your profession & the people that seek such things out as customers.

What more do you want?

ralffers, about 65yrs ago, a nation decided what was moral and which subjects were worth living and took care of the others. now, i dont want to have a go at you or your handicap; but sure as hell, you would of being stamped as un-natural and send to the chambers. that is what happens when people try to force their morals, as sick and twisted as theirs, or as pure and innocent as yours are, on others..

quick question: what do you think of homosexuals!? should they also not be allowed to live their lifestyle!? what do you think should be done with them? just because there's a majority of heteros and a minority of homos? now imagine being an sm-loving homo.. u get the idea maybe..

now, being a liberal, i think everyone should do as they please, as long as no-one gets hurt in the process and it's consenting. what do you care if some guy wants his balls busted, and is even willing to pay good money for it!? jeesus, if i could earn money that easily, why not do it!? and its obvious those services are looked for.

now, instead of being "moral" dipshits, people should start talking about their fantasies. i think many marriages would of been saved that way, or people wouldnt have gotten married in the first place. there are pots and kettles of many sizes and shapes..

and u write a lot of stuff like those statements on this and other threads. fucking get out of your VERY little world and widen your horizon! i have many gay and lesbian friends, BDSM-people, even a bisexual sub! (ouh, and that girl was fun to play with, i learned a thing or two there.. )

I didn't respond to your post - because I didn't see it...sorry

Chris, I'm not going to try to change your mind. If you don't like me because I have values and convictions that's fine, but it seems like a pretty foolish reason not to like someone. Am I imposing my way of life on anyone? No. I'm voicing my opinion like anyone else here, the only difference is I'm not jumping on the bandwagon. It's pretty easy to get along with someone when you agree on everything - but you suddenly don't like me because we don't agree on something? That says a lot more about you than it does about me and any statements I've made.

In terms of your example, of people like me being sent to the chambers. It did indeed happen - do I agree with it? No, of course not Just like no one else does, about that, the holocaust, or any other wars or atrocities man has inflicted on one another.

In terms of homosexuality and the alike - yes, frankly I do think it's wrong, but does that mean I wont socialize with such people, not count them as friends or mistreat them? No, again, of course not! It's not my place to judge anyone, only God can do that. If I can take anything back, it wouldn't be what I said, but how i said it (it came out judgmental - that's not how I meant it; I'm just trying to get people to think).

As is the case with most skydivers, I'm guessing you don't believe in God. That's cool, I was once an atheist also. But think about it - if there is a God, than what do you think is the reasons behind all these "rules" are? - rules pertaining to homosexuality, divorce, sexual promiscuity, etc, etc... Do you think it's because those guidelines for living are in place to annoy us - or perhaps could there be a more practical reason?... Lets take the case of homosexuality and sexual promiscuity; both are direct cause of disease running rampant In the case of sexual relations alone - people simply put too much stock into that being the definition of love...but let me ask you....how many times did you fall in love with a girl, eventually sleep with her, thought she loved you, only to have your heart broken in the end? Didn't feel good, did it?

Similar reasoning with divorce. Look at all the heartache it causes amidst broken families and such. Seems like a pretty good reason to be against it to me. Are you starting to see the bigger picture? God gives a guidebook on how to live life happily and make the most of it.

So than the next question is - how do we know that God is real? It's more a matter of faith I suppose, but from a logical standpoint, I think it's a fair assumption to say that there is a God just by looking at everything around us. I think it takes a lot more faith to believe that the world as we know it came into being by mere chance mutation of cells rather than to just believe there is a creator.

So then the next question is - how can you trust any one religion? How can you trust the bible? There are is a ton of evidence that the bible is true - from historical, to archeological. Prophecy is perhaps the strongest argument for the bible. The Old and New Testaments were written 2,000 years apart from each other (proven byway of carbon dating), and yet, you have an accurate, to the letter type description of Christ's crucifixion - 2000 years before it happened in the Old testament book of Isiah. Note: crucifixion wasn't even a known, let alone used form of corporal punishment at the time the Old Testament was written. In fact, if we wanted to debunk the bible on the basis of inaccuracy, then we'd also have to throw out all of Western philosophy that society is based on, as well as any other book of ancient antiquity. There are over 1 billion Christians in the world today, people from all walks of life; lawyers, doctors, scientists, Nobel prize winners. - have all these people, of such a high caliber thrown out their reason and rationale?

Next, lets examine the authenticity of Jesus Christ; after all, there were many religions all throughout the history of mankind, and it remains so to this day. What makes Christianity so different? Ask any religious person if the founder their religion rise from the dead and they will tell you no. No other person has ever risen from the dead and conquered death. Although we can't go back in time and see it ourselves - but - from the many accounts written throughout the Gospels; the witness accounts totaling over 500 people we can conclude that such an event did take place. Moreover, many early Christian, including 11 of the 12 Apostles were subjected to a violent death for their faith; hanging, decapitation crucifixion and the alike. People don't give up their lives for something trivial they don't believe in. Furthermore, why the controversy, even to this day? Why are people being killed for their faith? You hear about people of other faiths killing themselves for their beliefs, but why are Christians being killed by others. Jesus taught to: "love God and your neighbor as yourself". What's so controversial about that? Why are people being locked away for 15-20 years, and sometimes even life for preaching the Gospel in countries like the Philippines and Africa? Why is it you can talk about any religion, and any "god", but as soon as you say "Jesus Christ" everyone gets all bent out of shape? Is it just a coincidence, or is the something much bigger at work trying to keep people from coming to faith?

A philosopher (not a Christian) once said that it's better to believe in God, rather than take the chancre of not and facing the consequences. If the basis of Christianity is not true, than none of us have anything to worry about, but if it is true then there quite literally will be hell to pay.

Which brings me to my next point; the age-old question - "why would a good God send anyone to hell?" The thing is, no one is good...the bible reads: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." It goes onto read: "for the wages of sin is death". Still other parts read: "be holy as I am holy" to attain eternal life. God demands perfection, to Him, sin is sin; there's no difference between murder and stealing a candy bar from a store. That's why Christ had to die; He died in our place. Every old Testament sacrifice that was every preformed was a symbol of the one ultimate sacrifice to come; God incarnate, who lived a sinless life to die in our place so that we may have life in His name. It's a free gift, available to anyone. "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9).

Have you ever read the bible, or just dismissed it without ever checking it out? I encourage you to read the Gospel of John & the book of Romans. You may have the same conclusions afterward, or you may not; in either case what can it hurt, right?

Look, I can't speak for the actions and hypocrisy of others; I've had to eat humble pie as well and admit that I was wrong, and even a hypocrite at times; I'm not perfect. But if sharing the truth of God and loving people as God loves makes me a bad person, than so be it. I don't care for popularity contests.

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Some people's heads are going to spin around, finding this thread in SC

And Ralffers -- when you say you have values, the connotation is that yours are the only values that count. If you say you have your values, that makes it clear that you're doing what you believe is right, but it's a little less judgmental of others' choices.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Some people's heads are going to spin around, finding this thread in SC

And Ralffers -- when you say you have values, the connotation is that yours are the only values that count. If you say you have your values, that makes it clear that you're doing what you believe is right, but it's a little less judgmental of others' choices.

Wendy W.

Ther mods caught that QUICK

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[billvon 2,426]

> But think about it - if there is a God, than what do you think is the reasons
>behind all these "rules" are?

History. The Bible is as much a history book as it is anything else, and thus has a lot of outdated "rules" in it. Leviticus says quite clearly that homosexuals shall be put to death. Do you follow that teaching of God?

>Do you think it's because those guidelines for living are in place to annoy us -
>or perhaps could there be a more practical reason?

Oh, there were very practical reasons! Shellfish and pork could make you sick, so God said not to eat them upon penalty of death. Slaves were pretty dang useful, so God said you could have them. Wars were pretty brutal, so God told his commanders to kill every man and child in a town, and all the non-vigin women. (He said to save the virgins for the soldiers to use.)

Nowadays, of course, you'd be called a monster if you tried to follow those particular rules of God.

>Lets take the case of homosexuality and sexual promiscuity; both are direct
>cause of disease running rampant.

Actually straight sex (including the non-procreative kind) transmits a lot more disease overall.

>In the case of sexual relations alone - people simply put too much stock into
> that being the definition of love.

No one here is claiming that.

I have no issue with your beliefs. But when a skydiver claims that "you gotta be a pretty messed up, sick and twisted person" to like something strange, they are being somewhat hypocritical. Jumping out of an airplane is as dangerous, as useless and as hedonistic as it gets. So the next time you're looking to call someone sick or twisted, don't overlook that messed up person in the mirror who likes risking his life for an adrenalin high.