pilot-one 0 #51 October 20, 2008 QuoteIsn't Farrakhan's home just a few blocks away from Obama's? Yes, and so is Bill Ayers' home and not to mention the Syrian slumlord convict Obama supporter Rezko. Sounds like a nice neighborhood doesn't it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 1 #52 October 20, 2008 QuoteProbably a minor importance. The endorsement perhaps but the commentary will have an effect. The fact that Powell, who was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during a war, considers the Ayers mudslinging inappropriate and a non-issue will definitely minimize its impact among independents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,140 #53 October 20, 2008 Will you marry me? That way I could listen to you use relevant facts all evening Wendy W. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,640 #54 October 20, 2008 Quote Obviously not, if you truly think 95% of Americans have federal income tax liability. 95% of Americans DO NOT PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAX. It's about 41%. Deal with it. 95 > 41...and you know that well, else you couldn't do cool things like using the angular momentum operator to prove the S orbital is spherical...or comprehend frame dragging... You really should knock off the tequila before posting.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #55 October 20, 2008 Quote So does Farrakhan .. Hey! Great job on pointing out Obama's broad spectrum of appealIs that supposed to be a bad thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misslmperfect 0 #56 October 20, 2008 Quote Quote Isn't Farrakhan's home just a few blocks away from Obama's? Yes, and so is Bill Ayers' home and not to mention the Syrian slumlord convict Obama supporter Rezko. Sounds like a nice neighborhood doesn't it? yikes...don't credit me for that statement lol billyvance can keep it, i just quoted it.Oh Canada, merci pour la livraison! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,640 #57 October 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteIsn't Farrakhan's home just a few blocks away from Obama's? Yes, and so is Bill Ayers' home and not to mention the Syrian slumlord convict Obama supporter Rezko. Sounds like a nice neighborhood doesn't it? Milton Friedman lived there too. As did Enrico Fermi and dozens of other Nobel prizewinners. Do you actually have a point or are you just throwing mud for the sake of it?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #58 October 20, 2008 Quote Will you marry me? That way I could listen to you use relevant facts all evening Wendy W. Have you noticed that Marg's posts are almost never replied to or debated with? She's like the lone voice of reason in a storm of BS...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #59 October 20, 2008 The "disclosure" attribute is determined by the employer/occupation fields being filled out. If a donor fills in the employer/occupation fields, even if the information is bogus, it is counted as a 'disclosed' donation. In that regard, the "disclosure" figures from opensecrets tends to mislead. It is not the campaign that did not disclose the information, it is the donor. Both candidate's FEC records show donations (as well as refunds/redesignations) all the way down to $1. McCain's FEC records show 10,928 refunds/redesignations. Obama's FEC records show 43,419 refund/redesignations. The article stated that Obama's FEC filings didn't show any contributions under $20 - this has evidently been corrected, which is a good thing. I did *not* try to total up the amount of refunded/redesignated funds for the campaigns - I was unable to download the csv files to do so. Both campaigns have "XX" state donations - without further information traced from credit card numbers or other sources, it's difficult to determine if they are overseas or not. In Obama's case, there are entries that correspond to foreign cities - unless you are aware of a Bruxelles, Singapore or Copenhagen (for example) in the United States that I am not. Obama's FEC data shows 1345 donations from ZZ and YT state designations. McCain shows 270 using the same criteria. There may be other non-US donations buried in the other states, but I'm not going to look through however many pages to track them all down.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #60 October 20, 2008 Quote Quote Will you marry me? That way I could listen to you use relevant facts all evening Wendy W. Have you noticed that Marg's posts are almost never replied to or debated with? She's like the lone voice of reason in a storm of BS... Nobody can match the dedicated Cray/T3 line.... (nerd @ marg)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #61 October 20, 2008 While I'm *not* going to dig through news reports to verify it, the McCain website has a list of over 100 flag officers that have endorsed him - does THAT change your views? Why or why not?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #62 October 20, 2008 Quote The bipartisan Center for Responsive Politics finds Sen Obama to be 92.4% full disclosure w/r/t donations and campaign financing, whereas Sen McCain has only been 86.8% full disclosure. Wouldn't "full disclosure" be 100% and anything less be "XX% disclosure"? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #63 October 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteIsn't Farrakhan's home just a few blocks away from Obama's? Yes, and so is Bill Ayers' home and not to mention the Syrian slumlord convict Obama supporter Rezko. Sounds like a nice neighborhood doesn't it? And didn't Rezko's wife help Obama buy his house in some fashion?"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #64 October 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIsn't Farrakhan's home just a few blocks away from Obama's? Yes, and so is Bill Ayers' home and not to mention the Syrian slumlord convict Obama supporter Rezko. Sounds like a nice neighborhood doesn't it? And didn't Rezko's wife help Obama buy his house in some fashion? They bought the other half of the lot so that Obama could afford the house.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #65 October 20, 2008 i try to watch Meet The Press, as often as I can. and sadly miss Tim Russert. Brokaw has been doing an acceptable job . I have great respect for Colin Powell. and lament the fact that He was "duped" into being the Mouthpiece for the Bush/Cheney pre war propaganda machine... Soooo it was with great interest that i tuned in. The Gentleman said that he intends to vote for the democratic candidate BUT specifically indicated he Would NOT "Endorse" him.... I took that to mean that while he finds Obama to be a valid person for whom to vote, he would not be campaigning for him, and would not be attempting to steer voters that way.. He raised the respect level, that i already had for him.. ( Powell) ... willingless to vote for someone, and making that intention clear to the world at large, is technically not the same as "recommending that others do the same"...... One man one vote... jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,421 #66 October 20, 2008 >I took that to mean that while he finds Obama to be a valid person for whom >to vote, he would not be campaigning for him, and would not be attempting to steer >voters that way. Hmm. Odd that he spent 20 minutes on national TV listing his qualifications and the reasons he was a better choice than John McCain, then. I admire Powell for voting his conscience instead of voting along party lines. It's not going to be easy for him - the usual right wing media mouthpieces are already calling him a racist and a traitor, and that's just going to get worse as time goes on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #67 October 20, 2008 Quote I have great respect for Colin Powell. and lament the fact that He was "duped" into being the Mouthpiece for the Bush/Cheney pre war propaganda machine... jmy If he had backed McCain then you'd be blaming him for the same thing. He was a 4-star general and secretary of state. You think Bush duped him? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FallingOsh 0 #68 October 20, 2008 Quote..the usual right wing media mouthpieces are already calling him a racist and a traitor, and that's just going to get worse as time goes on. Where did you see that? Fox has an article on Obama saying that Powell would be offered an advisor job (didn't see that one coming) but nothing on him being a racist. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,421 #69 October 20, 2008 >Where did you see that? Limbaugh: "Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race. OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with." Some comments from the Free Republic site: "i don’t have any respect for powell anymore. to say that it’s not about race, when it obviously is, is wrong." "The DUmmies apparently reacted the same way most of us did....FU Colon Bowel.....for different reasons of course. Traitors eventually die completely alone." "If Obama was white, Powell would have never endorsed him." "Colin Powell is black, Obama is (phenotypically)black, therefore Powell supports him. Would he have crossed the aisle for Clinton? No. Powell is a racist." "If Obama was white, Powell would not have endorsed him." "A retired general just choose an anti-military socialist over an pro-military American war hero. Racist Loser." "What Powell has done, quite unintentionally, is to confirm the worst fears of white America: that for blacks, race is everything. There is no post-racial America. And he has inadvertently given permission to every white voter to add race to his voting calculus, and to do so without shame or embarrassment. It’s the old goose and gander principle. On balance, Powell’s endorsement deeply hurts Obama." "The black “culture” (?) always put themselves before America. It may not be long before everyone has a very rude awakening to who are the real racists and deniers of OUR freedom." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilot-one 0 #70 October 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteIsn't Farrakhan's home just a few blocks away from Obama's? Yes, and so is Bill Ayers' home and not to mention the Syrian slumlord convict Obama supporter Rezko. Sounds like a nice neighborhood doesn't it? Milton Friedman lived there too. As did Enrico Fermi and dozens of other Nobel prizewinners. Do you actually have a point or are you just throwing mud for the sake of it? My point is Obama is a crook and he fraternizes with crooks. It should be game over for any consideration for the presidency. Why is that so hard for an educated person such as yourself to understand? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #71 October 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIsn't Farrakhan's home just a few blocks away from Obama's? Yes, and so is Bill Ayers' home and not to mention the Syrian slumlord convict Obama supporter Rezko. Sounds like a nice neighborhood doesn't it? Milton Friedman lived there too. As did Enrico Fermi and dozens of other Nobel prizewinners. Do you actually have a point or are you just throwing mud for the sake of it? My point is Obama is a crook and he fraternizes with crooks. It should be game over for any consideration for the presidency. Why is that so hard for an educated person such as yourself to understand? And did you know that Obama's associations would disqualify him from even becoming a body guard for the president?"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,421 #72 October 20, 2008 >My point is Obama is a crook and he fraternizes with crooks. Most of the people in the United States disagree with you. They don't see any problem with him being on the same board with a former terrorist, just as they don't see any problem with McCain serving on the board of a group that supports right wing death squads. It's a non-issue for most people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,421 #73 October 20, 2008 >The FACT of the matter is that overseas donations are ILLEGAL. From the Russian newswire: ================ Russia's permanent mission to the UN has received a letter from U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain asking for financial support of his election campaign, the mission said in a statement on Monday. "We have received a letter from Senator John McCain with a request for a financial donation to his presidential election campaign. In this respect we have to reiterate that neither Russia's permanent mission to the UN nor the Russian government or its officials finance political activities in foreign countries," the statement said. ================= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,640 #74 October 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIsn't Farrakhan's home just a few blocks away from Obama's? Yes, and so is Bill Ayers' home and not to mention the Syrian slumlord convict Obama supporter Rezko. Sounds like a nice neighborhood doesn't it? Milton Friedman lived there too. As did Enrico Fermi and dozens of other Nobel prizewinners. Do you actually have a point or are you just throwing mud for the sake of it? My point is Obama is a crook and he fraternizes with crooks. It should be game over for any consideration for the presidency. Why is that so hard for an educated person such as yourself to understand? The guilt by association thing again. McCain fraternized with Keating and Liddy, both of them convicted felons. Now, what was that you were saying?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #75 October 20, 2008 Quote The guilt by association thing again. McCain fraternized with Keating and Liddy, both of them convicted felons. Now, what was that you were saying? He did more than just fraternize with Keating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
