McCain wins debate!

[billvon 2,400]

Someone reading the online edition of the Wall Street Journal noticed this fascinating tidbit - McCain has won the debate he is not going to participate in! See below for link to the ad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

Now, I know what you're thinking. How can he win a debate he is not participating in? And how can they declare victory without even seeing _any_ debate?

The easy answer is just that they had no intention of ever backing out of the debate, and that the guy in charge of buying advertising with the WSJ forgot that the online edition comes out about a day before the printed paper. The whole "I will stay in Washington until this bill is complete" was just a political move to see if he could rattle Obama.

But I think there's a more likely explanation. The breakdown of the LHC was no breakdown at all. As the LHC began accelerating particles to ever-higher energies, an energetic collision occurred that split our current reality into two. That's why they shut the thing down - they have to figure out how to deal with two strangely coupled accelerators occupying the same space in each universe.

Likewise, in this parallel universe, McCain has already had the debate with Hillary Clinton and won hands down. After the debate he will go back to Congress and argue for further deregulation of Wall Street, after giving another speech on how the fundamentals of the economy are strong. His chief financial adviser, Phil Gramm, will give a speech about how the flexibility of things like credit default swaps are keeping the economy strong. His vice presidential pick, Colin Powell, will be boning up for his debate with Hillary's pick for VP, William Jefferson.

Yes, things will be looking up for McCain after that LHC incident.

[MajorDad 0]

Sounds like one of the better explanations for the foolishness that has gone on this week.

On the plus side, this will probably have more people tuning into the debate tonight to see if McCain continues to implode or not.

Maybe he does need Scotty to bend the laws of physics for him.......

Blue Ones

Major Dad
CSPA D-579

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080926/ap_on_el_pr/candidates_debate Looks like the first explanation was true. McCain is now saying out loud that he will attend the debate.

Sorry, guys, there was no Time Warp.

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[billvon 2,400]

Dang, you're right. I was hoping to get a good X-Files episode out of this.

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Ex-Adviser: McCain "Blinked," Campaign "Governed By Tactics, Not Ideology"
September 26, 2008 12:32 PM

After days of saying that John McCain would not attend Friday's presidential debate unless an agreement on a bailout package for the markets was "locked-down," the McCain campaign has gone back on its word.

On Friday, it announced that the Senator would head down to Mississippi even though, as they readily admit, much work remained needed on the bailout agreement.

The whole episode left even conservatives admitting that the McCain campaign looked erratic and a bit foolish with no apparent direction or guiding principle.

"It just proves his campaign is governed by tactics and not ideology," said Republican consultant Craig Shirley, who advised McCain earlier in this cycle. "In the end, he blinked and Obama did not. The 'steady hand in a storm' argument looks now to more favor Obama, not McCain."

Shirley added, "My guess is that plasma units are rushing to the McCain campaign as we speak to replace the blood flowing there from the fights among the staff."

Adding to the rocky perception was a McCain campaign web ad released this morning declaring "McCain Wins Debate!" -- put out even before the candidate had announced he was planning to debate.
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Someone reading the online edition of the Wall Street Journal noticed this fascinating tidbit - McCain has won the debate he is not going to participate in! See below for link to the ad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/images/26Sep_Friday_WSJ.JPG

Now, I know what you're thinking. How can he win a debate he is not participating in? And how can they declare victory without even seeing _any_ debate?

The easy answer is just that they had no intention of ever backing out of the debate, and that the guy in charge of buying advertising with the WSJ forgot that the online edition comes out about a day before the printed paper. The whole "I will stay in Washington until this bill is complete" was just a political move to see if he could rattle Obama.

But I think there's a more likely explanation. The breakdown of the LHC was no breakdown at all. As the LHC began accelerating particles to ever-higher energies, an energetic collision occurred that split our current reality into two. That's why they shut the thing down - they have to figure out how to deal with two strangely coupled accelerators occupying the same space in each universe.

Likewise, in this parallel universe, McCain has already had the debate with Hillary Clinton and won hands down. After the debate he will go back to Congress and argue for further deregulation of Wall Street, after giving another speech on how the fundamentals of the economy are strong. His chief financial adviser, Phil Gramm, will give a speech about how the flexibility of things like credit default swaps are keeping the economy strong. His vice presidential pick, Colin Powell, will be boning up for his debate with Hillary's pick for VP, William Jefferson.

Yes, things will be looking up for McCain after that LHC incident.

Now that he is going does he loose?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Now that he is going does he loose?

No. If he was "loose", he wouldn't be a very good Suspender, would he?

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[kallend 1,623]

Looks like another one for the "Liar's Scorecard".

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[jcd11235 0]

Dewey defeats Truman!

Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials!

[AMax 0]

looks like he is winning it ........................

[billvon 2,400]

>looks like he is winning it ..........

Of course he is. Didn't you see the ad this morning?

[AMax 0]

i am not kidding ... aren't you watching the debates ?


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i predict that the polls will flip shortly ...

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i am not kidding ... aren't you watching the debates ?

I got my rose glasses on too!

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i am not kidding ... aren't you watching the debates ?

edit to add:
i predict that the polls will flip shortly ...

Sen. McCain towered over Sen. Obama in the debate. Everywhere you saw Sen. Obama say something akin to, "We agree" was because he was out of his depth. Sen. McCain plainly showed his grasp of the facts.

Was it a knock out, no.

As debates go, it was far more substantive than debates in the past.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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i am not kidding ... aren't you watching the debates ?

edit to add:
i predict that the polls will flip shortly ...

Sen. McCain towered over Sen. Obama in the debate. Everywhere you saw Sen. Obama say something akin to, "We agree" was because he was out of his depth. Sen. McCain plainly showed his grasp of the facts.

Was it a knock out, no.

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I thought it looked like McCain was trying to knock out George W. Bush.

Even George F. Will is saying on ABC right now that the debate went to Obama.

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Even George F. Will is saying on ABC right now that the debate went to Obama.

Will isn't much of a conservative any more, and the "A.ll B.arack C.hannel" would expect nothing less.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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edit to add:
i predict that the polls will flip shortly ...

Fact is the debates don't really change much. I think it was mostly a tie. I support Sen Obama, I think he did good, but he didn't knock it out of the park.

Sen McCain did better than I thought he would. But he didn't do as good as he NEEDED to. It was much more important for him to do very well in this debate. This one was on his only real strong point....foreign policy. To me, if Sen McCain was going to flip the polls, he had to knock this one out of the park....he did okay....but certainly didn't hit a "homerun".

Jordan

Go Fast, Dock Soft.

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Even George F. Will is saying on ABC right now that the debate went to Obama.

Will isn't much of a conservative any more

That may reflect more on you than on him.

Did you like the way McCain kept distancing himself from Bush?

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[MegaGoliath11 0]

towered? not at all. McCain and Obama were both ok. a tie I think. McCain in my opinion did to much appeal to emotion style tactics. I'm voting Obama so obviously i'm skewed.

I'll do my own appeal to emotion though... and Gawain this is a general statement not related to your post.

I am sick of hearing about the "surge this" the "surge that" and how we supposedly saved Iraq, the surge worked. Duh, we're the Army give us enough troops and we'll make an area secure, but the surge wasn't about that, it was supposed to give the defunct Iraqi BS gov't time to lead themselves out of a hole, and they havn't yet. we're still rolling deep in Iraq and we (the Army/USMC don't see an end).

Since 2003 its not new troops going every year, its the same fucking troops over and over and over again. The surge to me was the news I got from CNN that I had to stay an additional 3 more months after I already was in Iraq for 12 months. And yes... during that 3 months more of our soldiers got carried on C-17s to go home. During one ceremony we watched 12 caskets go by the formation on their final way home. SCREW this talk about the surge, only Obama mentioned any kinda of talk about relief for our soldiers for constant deployments. All McCain does is talk about idealism and memorial bands from dead soldiers mom's, yet he still supports sending us to Iraq over and over again when the real war is in Afghanistan.

sorry guys i'm just sick of this political usage of the surge in debates. no disrespect to SEN McCain, I know he suffered too, but damn guy, WE ARE DANGEROUSLY OVER EXTENDED! refocus the war.

[billvon 2,400]

>Sen. McCain towered over Sen. Obama in the debate.

What a surprise! All the right wingers think McCain won; all the left wingers think Obama won.

There was no clear winner in this debate. Both candidates were coherent, and neither showed any of the weaknesses they have in previous public appearances. In many ways, the debate was more about seeing if one candidate could catch the other candidate in a moment of weakness. But McCain had none of the senior moments he's had in the past, and Obama did not come across as timid as he sometimes did in previous events.

It was odd that McCain would not look at Obama, and refused to speak to him directly, but that's probably just a style thing. Obama was a bit uneven at times; he'd make a very strong point, then wander off into less relevant details for a minute or so. But again, both presented themselves well and made their positions clear.

All in all I don't think much was changed by this debate. I doubt anyone who was undecided has gone one way or another based solely on what was said, since it's basically a rehash of both of their positions.

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WE ARE DANGEROUSLY OVER EXTENDED! refocus the war.

This can't be repeated enough. I spent 2 years in Iraq. March 2003-March 2004. September 2005-September 2006. I completely agree with the above post. I would just be getting back from a 3rd tour had I stayed in the Army.

Jordan

Go Fast, Dock Soft.

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>Sen. McCain towered over Sen. Obama in the debate.

What a surprise! All the right wingers think McCain won; all the left wingers think Obama won.

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George F. Will is hardly a left winger.

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What a surprise! All the right wingers think McCain won; all the left wingers think Obama won.

For my adult life I've been a Republican. I believe Obama "won" the debate if that's really the most appropriate word.

He looked at the camera a lot, had facts, points, and remained calm and confident. He zeroed in on real concerns that most Americans care about right now. He came across and knowledgeable and presidential. McCain looked crotchety, condescending, and emotional. Obama spoke to the issues, and McCain seemed to be following a playbook.

Obama's brand of socialism will change this country forever, and not for the better. But for tonight, he outplayed his opponent handily. McCain better get his act together.

Ohne Liebe sind wir nichts

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Poll results for first presidential debate: Obama wins

By George Harris, Kansas City Star Readers Advisory Panel 2008

Who won the debate?

Ignore all commentators' opinions expressed without evidence. The winner is determined by the numbers, especially the votes of the undecided. Here are some preliminary answers:

CBS Insta Poll shows Barack Obama won 39% to John McCain's 25% with 36% saying the debate was a draw.

Insider Advantage reports those polled Obama won 42% to McCain's 41% with Undecided 17%

CNN reports voter opinions that Obama "did better" 51%, McCain "did better" 38%

The CNN poll showed men were evenly split, but women gave Obama higher marks 59% to 41% for McCain.

The CNN pollster noted a slight Democratic bias in the survey. Well, there just are more Democrats in the country. So more Democrats watched. However, this may also suggest Democratic enthusiasm which will help turn out the vote.

The MSNBC on-line (non-scientific) poll showed Obama winning the debate 52% to 33%. (But this is what one would expect from such a poll at MSNBC because of the nature of its viewers.)

Some free analysis: As I noted on this site during and after the debate, McCain appeared angry and dismissive of Obama and generally impressed as someone who would slap colleagues across the aisle if reaching over to them. He said several times in the debate that he hasn't won the Miss Congeniality contest in the Senate, and he proved why during the debate.

I suspect that women voters especially would be turned off by McCain's sarcastic tone because women do tend to be the conciliators in our society and saw Obama display those conciliatory qualities very well in the debate. Obama looked at McCain, and McCain wouldn't return the eye contact but rather glared or displayed a tight and angry expression.

I also suspect (but don't have the data to support) that older voters were also turned off by Senator McNasty. I believe older voters will also be reassured that, though McCain has been around longer, Obama has a good grasp of foreign affairs and can learn quickly. He impressed as a statesmen, in marked contrast to McCain's warrior demeanor.

McCain referred to Obama as naive or as not understanding on many issues when the listener probably saw a mere difference of opinion. McCain's condescenion felt annoying; to the listener who might agree or disagree with Obama, Obama nevertheless was making good points, not naive ones.

In general, I think the country is tired of negativity, and McCain's performance didn't give anyone the impression that age has mellowed him. In fact, he seemed rather proud of his continuing bellicose manner. The country seems ready for a change from the "fighting as first choice crowd."

Watch for new polls over the next week. Things can shift for a variety of reasons as people reflect on the debate.


Submitted by GeorgeHarris on September 27, 2008 - 5:40am.

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[MajorDad 0]

I listened to the debate on radio (no TV) and my impression was that it was a "tie". Both scored points and both took hits.

Will it change the minds of the 45% who will vote Republican anyways - no.

Will it change the minds of the 45% who will vote Democrat anyways - no.

Personally I think the 10% who are "up for grabs" will be more influenced by the performance this week of McCain and Obama over the economic crisis - especially if McCain's actions proved to be more harmful than helpful (i.e. intejecting himself into the process without helping as he did midweek).

Now for the Biden-Palin Debate. Wonder if SNL will have a preview of it on tonight?

Blue Ones,

Major Dad
CSPA D-579

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actually I think the Independent vote is a lot bigger than 10%. I think it's around 30%

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