Describe your political identity

[Pendejo 0]

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Whisperwind - Warlock
Faction - Scryers
Legislation preferences - Pro Demon
Energy policy - Shadow energy rules!
Belief system - RNG is a bitch.

Honestly, I see no good coming from this thread.

Anyone that puts themselves into little boxes clearly are doomed to stay there.

Awesome WoW reference dude! I also like how it is as relevant that you are a lock as it is someone else being a Dem or Rep. Very nicely done.

Pendejo

He who swoops the ditch and does not get out buys the BEER!!

[wmw999 2,146]

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Liberaltarian.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Andy9o8 0]

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I generally keep people guessing.

Fine, I'll add a bit.

Energy policy: Strong coffee. No coffee, no energy.

[klingeme 0]

Party - I'm an issue voter and my top issue right now is abortion so I'm currently voting Republican.

Faction - Complete issue voter

Preferences - Pro Life, Pro Gay Marriage (Rights), Pro some change to the screwed up Health Insurance we currently have available

Energy - Rro some other kind of energy (be it nuclear or natural gas or solar, wind.....something we haven't thought of yet), Pro drilling (why can Texas screw up their landscape, but Florida and Alaska shouldn't) edited to add USE IT TILL IT's GONE.



Don't know if this answered the question, but that's how I'll vote and how I feel.

[billvon 2,426]

>Pro drilling (why can Texas screw up their landscape, but Florida
>and Alaska shouldn't) edited to add USE IT TILL IT's GONE.

I fear there is a bit of a national security issue with your "drain America first" plan. (Hint - when our military runs on 100% Arab oil, do you think we will dare oppose anything they do?)

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>Pro drilling (why can Texas screw up their landscape, but Florida
>and Alaska shouldn't) edited to add USE IT TILL IT's GONE.

I fear there is a bit of a national security issue with your "drain America first" plan. (Hint - when our military runs on 100% Arab oil, do you think we will dare oppose anything they do?)

Then we'll get it from Russia, unless Palin's our CiC. Or maybe Chavez will come to our rescue.
(Is there a monkey in my butt?)

[klingeme 0]

I understand this but would we rather Castro have the oil off of Florida's coast or Russia for Alaska? Let's get it and store it before someone else gets it.

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I understand this but would we rather Castro have the oil off of Florida's coast or Russia for Alaska? Let's get it and store it before someone else gets it.

The only way your idea would work would be if we were to nationalize our oil supply. That's not going to happen.

[billvon 2,426]

>I understand this but would we rather Castro have the oil off of Florida's
>coast or Russia for Alaska?

Nope. We protect our coasts and let Castro drill in international waters. And we don't let Russia drill in Alaska. Problem solved.

> Let's get it and store it before someone else gets it.

We have talked about that a lot, and never, ever, ever done it. We won't start now. If we can somehow drill enough to lower gas prices (and every credible source I've seen says we can't) we will breathe a sigh of relief and buy that Ford Expedition we've had our eye on.

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>I understand this but would we rather Castro have the oil off of Florida's
>coast or Russia for Alaska?

Nope. We protect our coasts and let Castro drill in international waters. And we don't let Russia drill in Alaska. Problem solved.

> Let's get it and store it before someone else gets it.

We have talked about that a lot, and never, ever, ever done it. We won't start now. If we can somehow drill enough to lower gas prices (and every credible source I've seen says we can't) we will breathe a sigh of relief and buy that Ford Expedition we've had our eye on.

I'll admit that I don't fully understand oil pockets, but wouldn't the oil that you get off the Florida coast be the same oil that Castro would get from international waters? Isn't it like taking water from the shollow end (by the ladder) of the pool or taking it from the deep end (by the high dive)? This is an honest question as I don't know if they would draw the same oil or not.

In my mind, it's kind of like the Florida/Georgia aquifer. We both draw from the same water supply.

Mark Klingelhoefer

[rehmwa 2]

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Let me give this a try

USA,Party- Libertarian
Faction- fiscal conservative /social liberal
Legislation preferences-Pro-Entire bill of rights (pro-privacy, gun ownership, free speech, etc) ,Pro Choice
Energy policy- reasonable alternatives to oil when possible
Belief systems-Agnostic

doesn't "social liberal" mean you want the government actively involved in social control

that would include radical anti-abortionists in with radical pro-choice groups that want the government to pay for all abortions

frankly, just on the one example, I see no way someone can claim to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal at the same time

you want all the right and/or left social programs, but you don't want to pay for them?

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Let me give this a try

USA,Party- Libertarian
Faction- fiscal conservative /social liberal
Legislation preferences-Pro-Entire bill of rights (pro-privacy, gun ownership, free speech, etc) ,Pro Choice
Energy policy- reasonable alternatives to oil when possible
Belief systems-Agnostic

doesn't "social liberal" mean you want the government actively involved in social control

that would include radical anti-abortionists in with radical pro-choice groups that want the government to pay for all abortions

frankly, just on the one example, I see no way someone can claim to be fiscally conservative and socially liberal at the same time

you want all the right and/or left social programs, but you don't want to pay for them?

I can tell you what I mean when I describe myself as social liberal. I think many of the personal liberty things have been associated with the liberals. Gay marriage, legalized drugs and prostitution, access to abortion, death with dignity...these are all described in pop culture as "liberal" causes. Since I'm in favor of them, I don't mind accepting the "social liberal" label.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[klingeme 0]

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death with dignity

Add this one to my list.....

Also add Social Security reform.....Why should I pay into a system that I have NO CHANCE of ever getting anything out of.

[rehmwa 2]

So you mean you are liberal (open to change) on the Left wing social issues but not liberal (open to change) on the Right wing social issues

example - gov paid healthcare - very liberal, very left wing

example - partial privatization of Social Security - very liberal, very right wing


face it - both parties are socially liberal - they just have a different list that they want to force on us

From either a socially liberal right or a socially liberal left viewpoint - it seems to me that neither can be fiscally conservative. So I'd favor a "social issues have no place in government" position for fiscal conservatives.

Liberal, as a term, has a defined meaning, except it's been hijacked by one party that has about the same mix of "liberal" ideas as the other.


I can claim to be socially liberal - any "new" idea that progresses a fiscally conservative position, I'm all for.

There,... I'm a social liberal (on the social positions that I'd like the gov to change and force on everyone else).

I think it's dorky to think of the social scale as left vs right. It's really extreme (left and/or right) vs a non-interference philosophy.


So we agree on your partial list across the board. My proviso is that I don't think the government should supplement any of those positions. They should handled by the individual with out gov interfering. Guns are another. several examples apply to the 'leave us alone' position.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[livendive 8]

OK, now you have me somewhat confused. How are you differentiating between left wing social issues and right wing social issues in such a way that both can be approached liberally or conservatively?

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[rehmwa 2]

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OK, now you have me somewhat confused. How are you differentiating between left wing social issues and right wing social issues in such a way that both can be approached liberally or conservatively?

Blues,
Dave

I think it's dorky to think of the social scale as left vs right. It's really extreme (left and/or right) vs a non-interference philosophy.

I don't differentiate between left and right wing social issues. Either we treat them as individual issues the gov should stay away from (sociall neutral) or as the left and right think - as positions the government should intrude upon and take tax dollars to try to affect them to one preference or another.

It's not always left or right. Both major parties are 'intrusive' in their social philosophies.

simpley speaking?

fiscally - I'm fiscally conservative
socially - I'm fiscally conservative (I'll pay/contribute as I see fit for causes I believe in, not as the government forces me)

Other stuff -
individual freedoms
individual choices
courtesy should reign
free markets

We don't have a party that believes in that

Edit: "simpley"???

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Steel 0]

I'll play this game.

USA,Party- Republican (like the some ideas of the Liberitarian but will not waste my vote because the gravest danger I see to the U.S. is the Democrats)
Faction- fiscal conservative /social liberal within reason. Want to do drugs? Great! Want to live with your gay partner and have a Civil Union which grants you all the legal rights of Marriage? Great!, I don't believe the government should be involved in marriages period? But to redefine marriage as something other than between a man and a woman is B.S. too. I also think Common law should be abolished to, that is just goverment regulating the bedroom as well. It would be interesting to define gay common law.


Legislation preferences-Pro Firearm,Against killing babies in the womb (call it whatever pretty words you want that is what it is, there is a reason why the crowd who wants to keep this barbaric practice legal does not want the rest of us to be allowed to use pictures),Free Speech,Privacy that doesn't interfere with National security, For the right to hunt but against it personally.
Energy policy- Drill! Drill! Drill! and look for alternative energy simultaneously.
Belief systems-Capitalist and Agnostic.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

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I'll admit that I don't fully understand oil pockets, but wouldn't the oil that you get off the Florida coast be the same oil that Castro would get from international waters? Isn't it like taking water from the shollow end (by the ladder) of the pool or taking it from the deep end (by the high dive)? This is an honest question as I don't know if they would draw the same oil or not.

In my mind, it's kind of like the Florida/Georgia aquifer. We both draw from the same water supply.

Oil fields are not like big milkshakes where everyone can put their straw in and those with the biggest suck win. Oil is contained within porous rock formations that are capped with non-porous rocks. In order to get the oil out, you need to drill into the pay zone and actually force the oil out. The Hollywood idea of hitting gushers is ancient history. Forcing is usually done by drilling around the area and forcing in water or CO2 to flush the oil towards your producing well. Oil wells are drilled for literally miles, around corners, horizontally, along rock formations, then lined with steel casing before production can start. Sometimes you have to fracture the rock with TNT to make it permeable because the oil is locked up in the rocks and just wont move. In tar sands, you literally have to dig it out in lumps.

There have been no new large reserves found in years and now the price of oil is high, old wells that had ceased to be profitable are now being reopened. An oil service company that I know of has recently got a job drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and they are contracted to drill 20 wells a day, 7 days a week, for the next 6 years. And the GofM isn't that productive. Oil production isn't a tap, you can't just turn it up to fill your storage tank just because you feel like it.

[livendive 8]

I tend to agree with you on most of these issues (hell, I voted for you for President), and this one doesn't seem to be an exception. I try to tell people that I'm actually so far conservative that they just think I'm liberal, but that doesn't get through. I think that both of our parties are incredibly liberal, where "liberal" is used in the dosage context, e.g. "apply liberally to affected area." The D & R solution to any problem is to apply more governmental interference, and I think they should just stay the hell out of our lives to the maximum extent practicable. Still, my viewpoints have been characterized as liberal, and if that's the word I need to use to get my point across, I don't mind.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[klingeme 0]

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I'll admit that I don't fully understand oil pockets, but wouldn't the oil that you get off the Florida coast be the same oil that Castro would get from international waters? Isn't it like taking water from the shollow end (by the ladder) of the pool or taking it from the deep end (by the high dive)? This is an honest question as I don't know if they would draw the same oil or not.

In my mind, it's kind of like the Florida/Georgia aquifer. We both draw from the same water supply.

Oil fields are not like big milkshakes where everyone can put their straw in and those with the biggest suck win. Oil is contained within porous rock formations that are capped with non-porous rocks. In order to get the oil out, you need to drill into the pay zone and actually force the oil out. The Hollywood idea of hitting gushers is ancient history. Forcing is usually done by drilling around the area and forcing in water or CO2 to flush the oil towards your producing well. Oil wells are drilled for literally miles, around corners, horizontally, along rock formations, then lined with steel casing before production can start. Sometimes you have to fracture the rock with TNT to make it permeable because the oil is locked up in the rocks and just wont move. In tar sands, you literally have to dig it out in lumps.

There have been no new large reserves found in years and now the price of oil is high, old wells that had ceased to be profitable are now being reopened. An oil service company that I know of has recently got a job drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and they are contracted to drill 20 wells a day, 7 days a week, for the next 6 years. And the GofM isn't that productive. Oil production isn't a tap, you can't just turn it up to fill your storage tank just because you feel like it.

I consider myself more educated. Thank you for the post. I admitted I didn't fully unterstand it.

Mark Klingelhoefer

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Party - none (registered independent)
Faction - Conservative sometimes, liberal sometimes, libertarian sometimes.
Legislation preferences - see US Constitution for the most part.
Energy policy - too long to list here.
Belief systems - Capitalism sometimes, socialism sometimes, communism sometimes.

Not to get involved in an internet argument. But from years of reading your posts, I will just make a stated observation, as to a more correct discription of you.

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Party - Extremely partisan Democrat, but like most will not even admit that he always votes Democrat.
Faction - Conservative never unless its with regard to something that his loyal Democrat party has not stated and opinion on. If the Democrats have a position on something leave it to him to explain why this is the "correct" opinion to the rest of us. liberal always sometimes for the good often for the radical, libertarian sometimes, (I'll say ok to the Libertarian description but only because it doesn't say anything, Libertarian is by definition fiscal conservative social liberal).
Legislation preferences - see US Constitution in the few instances when the Democrats believe they could use it their advantage. Otherwise like every other Democrat, read to shred every last copy of the Constitution.
Energy policy - too long to list here. Yes has extremely bought into all the Environmentalist B.S. After all that hysteria has been completely proven to the mainstream, will probably live in denial for still another 20 years, before maybe considering opening up his mind.
Belief systems - Capitalism sometimes, socialism sometimes, communism sometimes. (Yeah I will add that I would expect my reasonable U.S. citizens to know better than to think that Communism or Socialism would ever be a good system. But at least he is honest in saying that he could line up behind Communists or Socialists as he clearly can.

If I could make a wish, I think I'd pass.
Can't think of anything I need
No cigarettes, no sleep, no light, no sound.
Nothing to eat, no books to read.

[billvon 2,426]

>I will just make a stated observation, as to a more correct discription of you.

You know what they say about assumptions. All of yours are wrong. (I don't expect to penetrate your prejudices, of course.)

>but like most will not even admit that he always votes Democrat.

Not even close to true.

>Otherwise like every other Democrat, read to shred every last
>copy of the Constitution.

Again, not even close to true.

> Yes has extremely bought into all the Environmentalist B.S. After all
> that hysteria has been completely proven to the mainstream . . .

Yep, that "hysteria" is indeed being proven to the mainstream.

In Donora in 1950, we started to believe the "hysteria" that pollution was a bad thing, and started to regulate industrial emissions. Result - cleaner skies and fewer deaths.

In LA in the 1970's, we started to realize that cars are big sources of pollution, and that it was making a lot of people sick. Result - fuel injection, catalytic converters and an improvement between 50 and 95% in air quality.

In the 1980's we realized the dangers of CFC emissions and started to reduce their usage. Result - the ozone hole is closing.

Nowadays we understand the dangers of unbridled CO2 production, and are starting to get serious about large scale solar, nuclear power and clean coal (although that is at best a stopgap solution.) American companies are making billions building wind turbines and solar arrays.

I know you wish we could go back to the (literally) dark ages of Donora and Los Angeles, but people understand nowadays that that didn't work out well for us. You're going to be on the losing side of this one.

>Yeah I will add that I would expect my reasonable U.S. citizens to
>know better than to think that Communism or Socialism would ever be a
>good system.

So you oppose the national parks (100% communist) and the police/fire departments? (mostly socialist) I hope you have the courage of your convictions, and never visit a filthy, "belongs to the people" US national park! And don't forget to spit on a firefighter next time you see him to demonstrate your hatred of the sort of job he does.

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Did I mention that I didn't think any good would come from this thread?

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USA,Party- Libertarian

Faction- fiscal conservative /social moderate

Legislation preferences-Pro-Entire bill of rights, pro-privacy, pro gun ownership, pro free speech, Pro Choice, Anti affirmative action, True Free Trade, In favor of cutting back most foreign aid.

Energy policy- Petroleum for now, convert gasoline burning cars to Methane when possible, use Nuclear, Wind, Water, Solar, and Geothermal Energy for Electric, Hybrid and or electric cars, Hemp based fuels for Diesel operations. Recycled wood products for rural home heating, and or clean coal.

Belief systems-Catholic (Non Practicing),

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Whisperwind - Warlock
Faction - Scryers
Legislation preferences - Pro Demon
Energy policy - Shadow energy rules!
Belief system - RNG is a bitch.

Honestly, I see no good coming from this thread.

Anyone that puts themselves into little boxes clearly are doomed to stay there.

In other words you do not know what you stand for, and most likely are against a great many things.