And McCains VP is Palin

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Let me get this right you think Lieberman has a case of sour grapes, but Green does not?

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One difference, though, is that Green is saying she is not ready NOW.

Lieberman is saying Obama is not ready to lead NOW.

And about Green: "Green, who has feuded with Palin repeatedly over the past two years,"

They don't get along...Of course she is not going to support Palin.

Others in AK have said the opposite, "I think it's very easy to underestimate Sarah Palin," said John Binkley, a former state legislator who lost to Palin in the 2006 Republican primary for governor."

So we have the former Dem VP choice supporting McCain over Obama.

We have the current Dem VP choice just a year ago saying Obama was not ready to lead.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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So McCain, who by all objective measures agrees with Bush 95% of the time, has stolen the "change" slogan from his opponent's campaign. Excellent entertainment courtesy of John McCain, aviator extraordinare.

Well, I dont know about that and you do stretch this well but, if one does look objectivly McCain Palin would look to be "change" more thatn Obama Biden.

I asked this earlier this week. What changes has McCain proposed from what we're currently doing?

Blues,
Dave

Nothing really but,neither has or does Obama. But, Palin has more oportunity for change than Biden. The Chicago political machine is either the model for DC or visa versa.


What I find interesting about Obama is how he got elected the firest time. By finding technicalities to have his rival removed from the ballot.

How do you figure, the House should stay Dem and the Senate probably will be too, so how is it that McSame would be able to change more?

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Based on? What Govt's has he run?

None, but McCain hasn't run any government either. Isn't that the guy the Republicans want for president?

Yea, the right is saying that Obama has no leadership experience, yet neither does McSame in the same light, neither have been Governor.

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Yea, the right is saying that Obama has no leadership experience, yet neither does McSame in the same light, neither have been Governor.

Biden has not either. So the only person with executive experience is Palin.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Yea, the right is saying that Obama has no leadership experience, yet neither does McSame in the same light, neither have been Governor.

Biden has not either. So the only person with executive experience is Palin.

Well then let's just make her president then. OTOH, your favorite leader, the current one, does have experience as a governor, so we see that experience is important.

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Well then let's just make her president thenCrazy. OTOH, your favorite leader, the current one, does have experience as a governor, so we see that experience is important

He was better than your favorite choice.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

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Biden has not either. So the only person with executive experience is Palin.

So out of the two candidates, non have executive experience. Out of the two VP candidates one has executive experience. That of running a small town and 2 years of running one of the least populated states in the US.

And people should base their votes on that?

(Never mind the fact that Bush had prior executive experience and that didn't bode him so well)

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He was better than your favorite choice.

Easy statement to make, since we'll never know if it is true or not.

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I asked this earlier this week. What changes has McCain proposed from what we're currently doing?

Blues,
Dave

Nothing really but,neither has or does Obama. But, Palin has more oportunity for change than Biden. The Chicago political machine is either the model for DC or visa versa.

Copied a post from another thread courtesy of Normiss
CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

You can verify the above at the following web sites:

cnn
cnn2
fox?
AARP
WP
WP2

Sometimes not changing is a good thing

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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And there we can just disagree. While being mayor of a small town may provide valuable experience, I think being a US Senator will provide experience more valuable to a President.

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I agree with you that being in the senate would provide valuable experience to bad Obama didn't use his time there to gain experience, vote on strong subjects, or make any attempt to make a difference for the betterment of anyone but himself.

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Well then let's just make her president thenCrazy. OTOH, your favorite leader, the current one, does have experience as a governor, so we see that experience is important

He was better than your favorite choice.

And you are able to see what he would have done if he were appointed president? Pure conjecture, we know what your choice has done, please, oh please illustrate where we would be if Kerry were president.

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Copied a post from another thread courtesy of Normiss

Are people really that mindless? Normiss copied it from a chain email that has been circulating. You know those same chain emails that promiss you millions if only you send some of your personal information.

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I asked this earlier this week. What changes has McCain proposed from what we're currently doing?

Blues,
Dave

Nothing really but,neither has or does Obama. But, Palin has more oportunity for change than Biden. The Chicago political machine is either the model for DC or visa versa.

Copied a post from another thread courtesy of Normiss
CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples). McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.

OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales. (How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.)

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN
15% (no change)

OBAMA
39.6% - (How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama becomes president. The experts predict that 'Higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.')

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN

(no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama, your taxes could almost double!

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN
- 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA
Restore the inheritance tax

Many families have lost businesses, farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.

NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA

New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least....New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

You can verify the above at the following web sites:

cnn
cnn2
fox?
AARP
WP
WP2

Sometimes not changing is a good thing

As I posted in that other thread, the above is a pack of lies. From factcheck.org:

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No. A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.
Alert readers may already have noted that this chain e-mail does not provide links to any of Obama's actual proposals or cite any sources for the claims it makes. That is because they are made up.This widely distributed message is so full of misinformation that we find it impossible to believe that it is the result of simple ignorance or carelessness on the part of the writer. Almost nothing it says about Obama's tax proposals is true. We conclude that this deception is deliberate.


Our own sources for the following are Obama's own Web site and other statements, interviews with Obama's policy advisers, and a comprehensive analysis of both the McCain and Obama tax plans produced by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, plus additional sources to which we have provided links.Home Sales: The claim that Obama would impose a 28 percent tax on the profit from "all home sales" is false. Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales.

Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.


Tax on Dividends: Another false claim is that Obama proposes to raise the tax rate on dividends to 39.6 percent. Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent. This higher tax also would fall only on couples making $250,000 or more or singles making more than $200,000.


Taxing IRAs and 529s: Contrary to the claim in this e-mail, raising tax rates on capital gains or dividends would not result in higher taxes on any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts or in popular, tax-deferred "college funds" under section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code. The whole point of such tax-deferred plans is that dividends and capital gains are allowed to accumulate and compound tax-free, and neither Obama nor McCain proposes to change that. And as previously mentioned, any capital gains or dividend income from stocks, bonds or mutual funds owned outside of tax-deferred accounts would continue to be taxed at current rates except for couples making over $250,000, or singles making more than $200,000.


Doubled Taxes? The claim that "Under Obama your taxes will more than double!" is also false. The comparative rate tables this e-mail provides for McCain and Obama are entirely wrong, as we explained in an earlier article March 13 about another false e-mail from which these tables are copied. It is supposedly a comparison of tax rates before and after the Bush tax cuts, but it grossly overstates the effect of the Bush cuts. Furthermore, Obama proposes to retain the Bush cuts for every single income level shown in this bogus table.


Estate Tax. The claim that Obama proposes to "restore the inheritance tax" is also false, as are the claims that McCain would impose zero tax and that Bush "repealed" it. McCain and Obama both would retain a reduced version of the estate tax, as it is correctly called, though McCain would reduce it by more.

The tax now falls only on estates valued at more than $2 million (effectively $4 million for couples able to set up the required legal and financial arrangements). It reaches a maximum rate of 45 percent on amounts more than that. It was not repealed, but it is set to expire temporarily in 2010, then return in 2011, when it would apply to estates valued at more than $1 million ($2 million for couples), with the maximum rate rising to 55 percent.

Obama has proposed to apply the tax only to estates valued at more than $3.5 million ($7 million for couples), holding the maximum rate at 45 percent. McCain would apply it to estates worth more than $5 million ($10 million for couples), with a maximum rate of 15 percent.


"New Tax" Falsehoods: The e-mail continues with a string of made-up taxes that it falsely claims Obama has proposed. He has not proposed a tax on new homes with more than 2,400 square feet, or a new gasoline tax or a tax on retirement accounts. The most laughably false claim is that Obama would tax "water."

Two claims in this message, while not completely false, are still grossly misleading.

The claim that Obama would impose "new taxes on natural resources" may refer to his support for a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions, which indeed would impose large costs on industries burning coal, gas or oil and, indirectly, on their consumers. But McCain also supports cap-and-trade legislation, and even coauthored an early version of a bill that reached the Senate floor this year. Obama's plan would give the federal government more of the revenue from auctioning pollution permits than McCain's plan. Whether cap-and-trade amounts to a "tax" is a matter of interpretation. The fact is neither McCain nor Obama call it that.

There is also some truth to the claim that Obama would impose "new taxes" to finance his health care plan, depending on your interpretation of "new." He has said he would pay for much of his plan "by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do." That would certainly be a tax increase for those high-income persons, compared with what they are paying now. But whether that's imposing a new tax, or just letting an old one come back, depends on your point of view. It may well be that Obama will eventually propose tax increases to finance some of his plan. We've noted before that the "cost savings" that he says will finance much of his plan are inflated and probably won't materialize, according to independent experts we consulted. But it's wrong to say that he's proposing such taxes now.

The short answer to our reader's question is, no, this message isn't real. It's a pack of lies.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

[normiss 634]

are people really so mindless as to accept it as "discredited" simply because those that don't want you to believe it say so???

Read both sides and all the support reviews and comments and make up your own mind.

I did. Works for me.

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So McCain, who by all objective measures agrees with Bush 95% of the time, has stolen the "change" slogan from his opponent's campaign. Excellent entertainment courtesy of John McCain, aviator extraordinare.

Well, I dont know about that and you do stretch this well but, if one does look objectivly McCain Palin would look to be "change" more thatn Obama Biden.

I asked this earlier this week. What changes has McCain proposed from what we're currently doing?

Blues,
Dave

Nothing really but,neither has or does Obama. But, Palin has more oportunity for change than Biden. The Chicago political machine is either the model for DC or visa versa.

I seem to remember Obama talk about bringing our troops home from Iraq, giving a tax cut to those who make under $250k/year, providing tax incentives to make college more affordable to those who will commit to serving their country or community, something about providing healthcare to far more people than currently enjoy it, engaging in diplomacy with Iran (as opposed to "bomb, bomb, bomb...bomb, bomb Iran"). Actually, I've heard him talk about making lots of changes.

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What I find interesting about Obama is how he got elected the firest time. By finding technicalities to have his rival removed from the ballot.

Technicalities? What do you suppose is wrong with pointing out your opponent hasn't met the qualifications to appear on the ballot? One of the better Obamamyths I've heard in this election has been your side saying "He CAN'T be President, he's not a US citizen! " How is that any different?

Blues,
Dave

Not any differnt than a Dem canidate getting in trouble for a state election out east (and removing his name from the election)and then gettting a judge to get the state to put a canidate on the ballot after the time stated in the law has passed. So which side do you liberals want to be on???

Which way is correct? Should the laws be followed or should the people have a choice?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Which way is correct? Should the laws be followed or should the people have a choice?

Yes.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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I asked this earlier this week. What changes has McCain proposed from what we're currently doing?

Blues,
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Nothing really but,neither has or does Obama. But, Palin has more oportunity for change than Biden. The Chicago political machine is either the model for DC or visa versa.

Copied a post from another thread courtesy of Normiss
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A set of fabricated numbers from a chain email omitted for brevity...

Sometimes not changing is a good thing

Another Republican who believes bogus chain emails. You did NOT bother to check, did you?

The people who circulate those emails are banking on gullible people who can't be bothered to check the facts.

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are people really so mindless as to accept it as "discredited" simply because those that don't want you to believe it say so???

Read both sides and all the support reviews and comments and make up your own mind.

I did. Works for me.

Of course it works for you. You WANT it to be true, so in your mind it is true.

However - independent review shows it to be a pack of lies.

www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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However - independent review shows it to be a pack of lies.

www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

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You know they won't listen....hell they won't even read the full context of their own rebuttals to the point of understanding any of it.

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It is a shame isn't it?

And it always seems to be from those who profess to be smarter than the rest of us.

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I asked this earlier this week. What changes has McCain proposed from what we're currently doing?

Blues,
Dave

Nothing really but,neither has or does Obama. But, Palin has more oportunity for change than Biden. The Chicago political machine is either the model for DC or visa versa.

Copied a post from another thread courtesy of Normiss
CAPITAL GAINS TAX

A set of fabricated numbers from a chain email omitted for brevity...

Sometimes not changing is a good thing

Another Republican who believes bogus chain emails. You did NOT bother to check, did you?

The people who circulate those emails are banking on gullible people who can't be bothered to check the facts.

You mean like troopergate of book bannings?

ya , I get it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 634]

troopergate cracks me up!

apparently once you have the right to fire someone, you shouldn't. it'll come back to bite you in the ass someday.

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Those sound like higher taxes

Senator McCain has proposed raising the estate tax exclusion amount to $5 million and setting a maximum estate tax rate of 15%, while Senator Obama has proposed raising the estate tax exclusion amount to $3.5 million (it's set to go there in 2009 anyways) and maintaining the maximum estate tax rate at its current 45% level.

45%...if your combined estate is worth $10 million Obama thinks it's OK for the government to take $1.350,000.00 from you when you die. Not a new tax...just an old way of thinking. In the same scenario McCain thinks we take $0.

The estate tax is scheduled to go to 55% on everything over 1 million dollars in 2011. Obama's proposal to limit it to 45% of everything over 3.5 million dollars is thus a REDUCTION from the current plan.

Blues,
Dave

"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)

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troopergate cracks me up!

apparently once you have the right to fire someone, you shouldn't. it'll come back to bite you in the ass someday.

They didn't fire the cop, they leaned on the chief to fire the ex-bro-in-law, different than a direcct firing. Let's just let it go like Larry Craig-gate, Scooter Libby-gate and all the other righty scandals.