shermanator 3 #1 May 19, 2008 wow. just wow. It is getting out of hand where officers are firing on people and killing them, when less lethal force IS available. heck, even a blow to the guys head with a baton to knock him unconcious probably would have worked. and just before this one, there were a couple cops in LA that shot and killed driver in car, because they heard gunfire somewhere around them, and assumed it was that car. police abusing their power is getting way way out of hand. http://www.examiner.com/a-1397071~Man_fatally_shot_by_Long_Beach_officers_during_struggle.htmlCLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 May 19, 2008 Hey in a police state.. this sort of action is the norm... aint the Patriot Act and how it has enabled so much power to be transferred to the police.... just grand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #3 May 19, 2008 Quote wow. just wow. It is getting out of hand where officers are firing on people and killing them, when less lethal force IS available. heck, even a blow to the guys head with a baton to knock him unconcious probably would have worked. and just before this one, there were a couple cops in LA that shot and killed driver in car, because they heard gunfire somewhere around them, and assumed it was that car. police abusing their power is getting way way out of hand. http://www.examiner.com/a-1397071~Man_fatally_shot_by_Long_Beach_officers_during_struggle.html As soon as you, and those like you, start posting articles showing where officers are killed in the line of duty I may pay attention because, at that point it may be not be some kind of senstional type hype post. As for the story? In a couple of weeks, once all the facts are finaly put out there I will pay attention. Until then? By the way, if it turns out that your current pespective is correct then the law should take care of a creep with a gun."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #4 May 19, 2008 Quote As for the story? In a couple of weeks, once all the facts are finaly put out there I will pay attention. Until then? . Couple of weeks! Are you crazy? Chicago still hasn't resolved its police torture cases from 20 years ago. The "authorities" have amazing ability to bury information and procrastinate.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #5 May 19, 2008 QuoteQuote As for the story? In a couple of weeks, once all the facts are finaly put out there I will pay attention. Until then? . Couple of weeks! Are you crazy? Chicago still hasn't resolved its police torture cases from 20 years ago. The "authorities" have amazing ability to bury information and procrastinate. Ya, we all know they are all evil SOBs. The ONLY thing that has surprised me about this thread is that you or Amazon are not the ones to start it. Sleep in this AM?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,053 #6 May 19, 2008 The first article did not provide much info. http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_9308648Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 18 #7 May 19, 2008 QuoteThe first article did not provide much info. http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_9308648 Thanks these types of stories evolve so fast that I am surprised anyone takes initial "articles" at face value. Still seems there is much to come out yet."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #8 May 19, 2008 "You just shot an unarmed man" "He should have armed himself" actors and movie ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #9 May 19, 2008 Quote"You just shot an unarmed man" "He should have armed himself" actors and movie The Unforgiven Eastwood & Hackman I thought of the same thing before I even saw your post."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 May 19, 2008 Quote Ya, we all know they are all evil SOBs. The ONLY thing that has surprised me about this thread is that you or Amazon are not the ones to start it. Why does your post.. yet again.. not surprise me...you are indeed a man out of your proper time.United States Holocaust Memorial Museum The version inscribed at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C. reads: First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me. Some of them indeed are evil men... and need to be watched very closely to prevent abuse of the great power they have been given Then again.. some people are always just fine with living in a police state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
downwardspiral 0 #11 May 19, 2008 I saw this on the news yesterday and was shocked. I was thinking if two cops have to resort to shooting an unarmed man to subdue him then they have no business being cops. The second article linked leads me to believe one of the two cops was female. I wonder which pulled the trigger. www.FourWheelerHB.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 May 19, 2008 QuoteI thought of the same thing before I even saw your post. as any correct-thinking movier watcher should have by gum ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #13 May 19, 2008 Hmm....after being tazed, the suspect grabbed one of the officers' batons and punched him in the face. Sounds justified to me.(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #14 May 19, 2008 so you're ok with having them shoot someone in the back, while lying on the ground already being taken into custody? better hope you never get arrested.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #15 May 19, 2008 Did the article say he was shot "in the back" while lying on the ground? I can't find that anywhere....(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #16 May 19, 2008 QuoteDid the article say he was shot "in the back" while lying on the ground? I can't find that anywhere.... QuoteWitnesses have called Saturday night's fatal police shooting of a 46-year-old an unwarranted attack on an unarmed man as he lay face down on a sidewalk, disputing officers' accounts. … Witnesses on Sunday said Su'e didn't fight the police. He had just left a birthday party when the officers got out of their car with batons drawn, struck him in the leg, then Tasered him until he was face down on the sidewalk. Then one officer shot him in the back five or six times, witnesses said.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base428 1 #17 May 19, 2008 That's why I drive 10 mph under the speed limit and always wear my seat belt - cops are always shooting people in the back for no reason...(c)2010 Vertical Visions. No unauthorized duplication permitted. <==For the media only Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shermanator 3 #18 May 19, 2008 I normaly side on the side of the police. but it seems that recently, there have been instances where the police are in the wrong, at first glance, this defidently appears that way. 180 lbs is a lot, but not that much. Two officers should be able to subdue someone of that weight/size.CLICK HERE! new blog posted 9/21/08 CSA #720 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base_nz 0 #19 May 19, 2008 QuoteHmm....after being tazed, the suspect grabbed one of the officers' batons and punched him in the face. Sounds justified to me. So taking a life can be justified if you get punched in the face?.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #20 May 19, 2008 QuoteQuoteHmm....after being tazed, the suspect grabbed one of the officers' batons and punched him in the face. Sounds justified to me. So taking a life can be justified if you get punched in the face? You've obviously never been hit in the head with a baton. FYI, there's a *REASON* why a club (or baton) is considered a deadly weapon.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cloudseeker2001 0 #21 May 20, 2008 Cops are feeling their power right now and they are doing things in every part of the country. It does not seem to be slowing either. "Some call it heavenly in it's brilliance, others mean and rueful of the western dream" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base_nz 0 #22 May 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteHmm....after being tazed, the suspect grabbed one of the officers' batons and punched him in the face. Sounds justified to me. So taking a life can be justified if you get punched in the face? You've obviously never been hit in the head with a baton. FYI, there's a *REASON* why a club (or baton) is considered a deadly weapon. So by that reasoning when the police jumped out of the car clubs in hand ready to whale on him ( eyewitness account?)....He would have been justified to kill them?.....And you thought Kiwis couldn't fly!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #23 May 20, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHmm....after being tazed, the suspect grabbed one of the officers' batons and punched him in the face. Sounds justified to me. So taking a life can be justified if you get punched in the face? You've obviously never been hit in the head with a baton. FYI, there's a *REASON* why a club (or baton) is considered a deadly weapon. So by that reasoning when the police jumped out of the car clubs in hand ready to whale on him ( eyewitness account?)....He would have been justified to kill them? There are instances where I would consider actions against the officers as self-defense. As I've not been able to read the story, I can't say if I would consider this instance as falling under that criteria or not.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
friendstersux 0 #24 May 20, 2008 We can only wait and see if these officers will be charged with a wrongful shooting. If not, there was not enough evidence to say that the officers reacted recklessly. A man holding a baton is armed not unarmed.Don't say no to drugs, say no thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piper17 1 #25 May 20, 2008 I can see that NO ONE here has learned anything from the Duke "rape" case about believing everything put out by the media right after an incident. First reports are usually wrong...and often bear no resemblance to the actual facts."A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
